2016 Draft Thread III (June 24-25, 7PM)

[major major]

I get what you are saying. We just don't agree. You think picking one of the top 3 is the safe pick, because that is what we have been told. That may be right. It may also be wrong. I'd rather Jarmo make the picks he thinks is right. I think Jarmo has proven he won't make a pick based on anything other than who he, and his scouts, think is best.

The fact is, we don't know anything. GM's don't always tell the truth. They use the media. We may be doing this to raise the value of our pick, because we are close on a trade and want more. We may be doing this just to make other teams waste their time when we have no attention of trading the pick. We may be doing this just to see if someone is crazy enough to offer us a GREAT deal.

Nah, the #3 is definitely the safest pick. There isn't any question about that. You can't do what Puljujarvi does at age 17 and not be the safe pick compared to Logan Brown.

 

[Crede777]

Nah, the #3 is definitely the safest pick. There isn't any question about that. You can't do what Puljujarvi does at age 17 and not be the safe pick compared to Logan Brown.

While I can't say definitively that Puljujarvi is safer, I really think that souring on him would be the result of overanalysis.

Logan Brown has had a meteoric rise in the rankings. He's been subjected to far less scrutiny for a shorter period of time than Puljujarvi who received heavy scrutiny dating back to at least 2014-2015.

I think people (including Jarmo) have picked his game apart so much that they're talking themselves out of taking him.

We've long heard not to draft based on size. But Logan Brown is 6'6"! We've long heard not to draft based on position. But Logan Brown plays center! Those are just two red flags I see being raised about putting Brown ahead of Puljujarvi.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

While I can't say definitively that Puljujarvi is safer, I really think that souring on him would be the result of overanalysis.

Logan Brown has had a meteoric rise in the rankings. He's been subjected to far less scrutiny for a shorter period of time than Puljujarvi who received heavy scrutiny dating back to at least 2014-2015.

I think people (including Jarmo) have picked his game apart so much that they're talking themselves out of taking him.

We've long heard not to draft based on size. But Logan Brown is 6'6"! We've long heard not to draft based on position. But Logan Brown plays center! Those are just two red flags I see being raised about putting Brown ahead of Puljujarvi.

Brown has positional advantage for Puljujärvi because he's Center what Puljujärvi isn't.
Franchise centers are difficult found but 1st line scoring RW's like Puljujärvi are easier found.

So if / when Jarmo and Ville are sure for that Brown is safer pick than Puljujärvi so be it and take him 3rd or 6th overall.
And if Jarmo wants draft Finnish winger in future he can do that next years draft when Kristian Vesalainen ( RW) and Eeli Tolvanen ( LW) are available.

 

[Crede777]

Brown has positional advantage for Puljujärvi because he's Center what Puljujärvi isn't.

Like I said, position shouldn't even be considered when drafting that high. It should come down to purely who is the better player. Draft BPA BPA - Best Player Available Based Purely on Ability.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Like I said, position shouldn't even be considered when drafting that high. It should come down to purely who is the better player. Draft BPA BPA - Best Player Available Based Purely on Ability.

Yeah for sure, but in this case position matters.
Your team needs center so take center and that's it.

 

[stevo61]

Yeah for sure, but in this case position matters.
Your team needs center so take center and that's it.

This team needs elite offensive players so you take that

 

[Jackets16]

While I can't say definitively that Puljujarvi is safer, I really think that souring on him would be the result of overanalysis.

Logan Brown has had a meteoric rise in the rankings. He's been subjected to far less scrutiny for a shorter period of time than Puljujarvi who received heavy scrutiny dating back to at least 2014-2015.

I think people (including Jarmo) have picked his game apart so much that they're talking themselves out of taking him.

We've long heard not to draft based on size. But Logan Brown is 6'6"! We've long heard not to draft based on position. But Logan Brown plays center! Those are just two red flags I see being raised about putting Brown ahead of Puljujarvi.

We have no clue what Jarmo and the scouts are doing/thinking.

 

[pete goegan]

We have no clue what Jarmo and the scouts are doing/thinking.

Exactly. McKenzie cited "getting the feeling" the Jackets are not sold on JP. Whose feelings? Jarmo has not said anything like it!

 

[JacketsFanWest]

McKenzie doesn't usually do clickbait, but the Canadian media has been trying to create drama or hype about other forwards like Dubois or Tkachuk going in the top 3. Maybe just trying to get clicks or trying to create storylines to build interest in what will be a very predictable draft.

If the CBJ aren't sold on Pulju, what's the point of leaking it? Or even letting anyone else know. If they want to trade the pick, then wouldn't hyping Pulju be the way to go? What's the point of "meh, we don't like Pulju, we're trading down, what will you give us for the 4th overall?"

Who would benefit from CBJ trading the pick? Anyone doing draft coverage since the draft would have a huge, exciting change and maybe a Canadian team trades up.

 

[WannabeFinn]

McKenzie doesn't usually do clickbait, but the Canadian media has been trying to create drama or hype about other forwards like Dubois or Tkachuk going in the top 3. Maybe just trying to get clicks or trying to create storylines to build interest in what will be a very predictable draft.

If the CBJ aren't sold on Pulju, what's the point of leaking it? Or even letting anyone else know. If they want to trade the pick, then wouldn't hyping Pulju be the way to go? What's the point of "meh, we don't like Pulju, we're trading down, what will you give us for the 4th overall?"

Who would benefit from CBJ trading the pick? Anyone doing draft coverage since the draft would have a huge, exciting change and maybe a Canadian team trades up.

What? Hyping the draft because a Canadian team might trade up? That's ridiculous, the picks right after Columbus are all owned by... oh my god

Canadian teams!!

 

[NotWendell]

What? Hyping the draft because a Canadian team might trade up? That's ridiculous, the picks right after Columbus are all owned by... oh my god

Canadian teams!!

We're worse than a bunch of Canadian teams?!? The horror!

 

[JacketsFanWest]

I can't find much historical tv ratings in Canada for the NHL Entry draft, but this article lists the figure as 1 million viewers in Canada in 2015 which was competing against a Jays baseball game.

Interest in the draft would be much higher if Canadian teams might make a trade, rather than just American and Finnish teens most people have never heard of are the top picks.

IMO, the pick will be Pulju, but marketing the draft by creating the illusion of potential drama will increase tv ratings in Canada, as well as viewership of pre-draft coverage and clicks to websites with draft coverage.

 

[DJA]

McKenzie doesn't usually do clickbait, but the Canadian media has been trying to create drama or hype about other forwards like Dubois or Tkachuk going in the top 3. Maybe just trying to get clicks or trying to create storylines to build interest in what will be a very predictable draft.

If the CBJ aren't sold on Pulju, what's the point of leaking it? Or even letting anyone else know. If they want to trade the pick, then wouldn't hyping Pulju be the way to go? What's the point of "meh, we don't like Pulju, we're trading down, what will you give us for the 4th overall?"

Who would benefit from CBJ trading the pick? Anyone doing draft coverage since the draft would have a huge, exciting change and maybe a Canadian team trades up.

Both McKenzie and Friedman have really been reaching on this story, trying to make news. Very disappointed in both of them, because I usually respect their sources/integrity. But there has been no indication from the CBJ that they are even remotely interested in trading the pick. McKenzie keeps saying "the feeling is" which is really code for "I pulled this out of my butt."

 

[CBJfan4evr]

Exactly. McKenzie cited "getting the feeling" the Jackets are not sold on JP. Whose feelings? Jarmo has not said anything like it!

Here we go... exactly what I said a month ago. Reality or rumor? No one knows... Really want NHL ready talent now. LEM has way to many prospects we can't promote to the big club. Anything less than JP is a commitment to mediocrity through the 2018 season. BTW Rimer was on NHL live on Sirius XM this afternoon. Won't say he fed this rumor; but didn't dispel it. Course he doesn't know anything more than the other media types.

 

[major major]

Both McKenzie and Friedman have really been reaching on this story, trying to make news. Very disappointed in both of them, because I usually respect their sources/integrity. But there has been no indication from the CBJ that they are even remotely interested in trading the pick. McKenzie keeps saying "the feeling is" which is really code for "I pulled this out of my butt."

I'm not so sure that McKenzie and Friedman are completely ************ here. I think "the feeling is" is probably just speculation based on very minor indications. If he had more he would have said so. But it's probably something like he has some source in an FO who said his GM had Jarmo on the phone for a surprisingly long time discussing an offer.

So in other words, not complete ********, but speculation based on real information.

 

[KJ Dangler]

No better way to attract bidders for the number 3pick , to make it seem like we aren't entirely sold on Jesse. Just read Porty tweets tweet yesterday that the jackets received 2 very significant offers, but decided to sit pat . If they can get someone to majorly overpay, and get another asset that immediately helps them win next season , plus drop a few picks to get possibly a brown or Keller, they would be crazy to not try to maximize their leverage. Getting a top 3 pick was huge this year . They could be 100 percent team Jesse for all we know, but there is no better way to get conversations started , then to float we may not be sold on him. Just my thoughts, porty is on record that the jackets love the player , in reference to Jesse , a few weeks ago.

 

[Xoggz22]

One aspect to these stories about JK not being sold could be that McKenzie or Friedman spoke to a team not named Columbus and learned Jarmo was listening to offers for#3. Oh, hey, they must not be enamored with Puljajarvi. Our possibly another GM said JK is willing to move the pick because they are deep at wing and may not need him.

6/24 can't get here soon enough...

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

6/24 can't get here soon enough...

Agreed.

IMO what's going on here is called due diligence. Listen to offers to see if any come your way that would leave the team in better shape than by just drafting the BPA. Chances are there won't be any such offers, but you need to be prepared as a GM in case anything resembling an overwhelming offer is made.

 

[CBJx614]

I was trying to find this video that had a few gms(including davidson) talking about Puljujärvi, but ran across this gem instead...



Im calling it now, some combination of Puljujärvi/ Wennberg/ Saad and Bjorkstrand is gonna be the best line in jackets (short) history if they all live up to their potentials

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[CBJWerenski8]

I was trying to find this video that had a few gms(including davidson) talking about Puljujärvi, but ran across this gem instead...



Im calling it now, some combination of Puljujärvi/ Wennberg/ Saad and Bjorkstrand is gonna be the best line in jackets (short) history if they all live up to their potentials

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But will it be better than Saad-Johansen-Foligno?

 

[CBJx614]

But will it be better than Saad-Johansen-Foligno?

Its definitely possible. It gives us depth out the ass.

(Not in any order)

Saad-Wennberg-Puljujärvi
Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Hartnell-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

Im sure i forgot someone, i always do.

I know I've said it 100000 times, but i think it'd be a mistake to add another center into the mix right now. I'm fine with drafting someone who needs some time to develop unless we're trading for a Drai/Bennett type.

 

[WannabeFinn]

apparently we invited Puljujarvi, Tkachuk, Keller, Brown, and Bean back to Columbus for more interviews after the combine

 

[Jackets16]

Thanks

 

[Jackets16]

Its definitely possible. It gives us depth out the ass.

(Not in any order)

Saad-Wennberg-Puljujärvi
Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Hartnell-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

Im sure i forgot someone, i always do.

I know I've said it 100000 times, but i think it'd be a mistake to add another center into the mix right now. I'm fine with drafting someone who needs some time to develop unless we're trading for a Drai/Bennett type.

Wouldn't Puljujärvi be better with Jenner and Bjorkstrand with Wennberg based on how they each play? I think either could work, but that is how I would put those 4 together.

 

[Johnny Jacket]

Its definitely possible. It gives us depth out the ass.

(Not in any order)

Saad-Wennberg-Puljujärvi
Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Hartnell-Jenner-Bjorkstrand
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

Im sure i forgot someone, i always do.

I know I've said it 100000 times, but i think it'd be a mistake to add another center into the mix right now. I'm fine with drafting someone who needs some time to develop unless we're trading for a Drai/Bennett type.

Boll, Campbell and Clarkson