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Bean's speed isn't even that bad.

It's probably as fast as Tanev's. This is a kid who has barely played 2 seasons in the WHL and already set a record for goals scored as a defensemen as a 17 year old for the Hitmen. You don't end up scoring 2nd most goals and 3rd most points as a defensemen if you have slow skating. It's average at worst. Sure if you compare him to a guy like Chychrun his skating would be considered "slower" doesn't mean he is slow. Also, if you watch Bean play he is incredibly lanky. He looks like a player that can really grow into his frame.

Even last year I thought he was better then Sanheim. Even if he doesn't become that #1 duncan keith player I still have him as a puck transitional Hutton type player.

I dunno m8, Tanev is an excellent skater both technically and results wise. While it's obvious Bean uses his edges well with all the dipsy doodling he's able to pull off, his stride needs work IMO, doesn't generate power particularly well. Evidence is in how long it takes him to get to full speed when rushing the puck. Likely fixable with power skating work and gym time, but it's hard to be sure.
 
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I'll admit I've not been overly impressed witb Sergachev and Chychrun at the u18s. I think that could and should hurt them. Jost has helped himself and Fabbro has come exactly as advertised. Keller has as well. Neither of those two moves much in my opinion. I have real concerns about Keller's size and ability to translate that into NHL production but if the desire is there to learn, the skill will take over as it has for Fabbri and as I am certain it will for Marner. Where we are likely to pick at 5, it's really between PLD and Tkachuk.

New top 20 (BPA)

Laine
Matthews
Puljujarvi
PLD
Tkachuk
Bean
Chychrun
Nylander
Juolevi
Jost
Sergachev
Brown
MacLeod
Keller
Fabbro
McAvoy
Clague
Bellows
Hart
Mascherin

HM: Kunin
 
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I just don't want to drop to 6. Like 2014, there seems to be a solidified top 5 now and then a drop after that.

At 5, you pick whoever's left between Dubois and Tkachuk. After that it gets complicated and I don't want complicated.
 
I just don't want to drop to 6. Like 2014, there seems to be a solidified top 5 now and then a drop after that.

At 5, you pick whoever's left between Dubois and Tkachuk. After that it gets complicated and I don't want complicated.

I think that if we dropped to six we would probably see another team take one of the defensemen at 4 or 5. Just a hunch as it's rare that the first five picks are all forwards. Came close last year though if it wasn't for Ekblad.
 
I just don't want to drop to 6. Like 2014, there seems to be a solidified top 5 now and then a drop after that.

At 5, you pick whoever's left between Dubois and Tkachuk. After that it gets complicated and I don't want complicated.

1 and 2 are better than 2014. 3 4 and 5 are behind IMO.
 
Matthews
Laine
Pullji
Dubois
Juol
Tkachuck
Sergachev
Nylander
Mcleod
Keller
Jost
Fabbro
Bean
Mcavoy
Chychurun

Those are my 15 i dropped chcyc signifigantly after his brutal playoffs i hope to all that is good we dont take him
 
Those are my 15 i dropped chcyc signifigantly after his brutal playoffs
What do you mean brutal playoffs? He had a very strong playoff showing, he and as Zacha were the Sting's best players. On top of that, he was over a PPG pace, created a lot of scoring chances, had stretches of dominant play.
 
The more I think about it Keller should be our guy if we pick at six. We have power forwards and goal scorers. We need somebody to get them the puck and who's shifty and explosive. Keller can find guys in prime scoring areas better than anyone in the draft. He's the best playmaker in it. Boeser and him would dominate. He's got Kane in him.

Top 10
Mathews
Laine
Puljujarvi
Tkachuk
Dubois
Keller
Jost
Nylander
Juolevi
Fabro
Agree,if we are not in the top 3 or 4,Keller is the guy i want.In my opiion,who ever gets this guy he is going to be one of the best in this draft.
 
9. Chychrun [I did have him higher but I decided to prioritize the 3 prior forwards and dropped the top few defenders. But JC is still my #1 D]

Why? I'm curious if it has to do with the strength of the prospects at those positions or maybe an acknowledgement that defensemen are easier to find later in the draft?

Thanks for all the info. We're lucky to have so many good contributors to this thread.
 
Watching Laine play now.. Whoever said his linemates are plugs are lying they are a good team!

Are you sure it was Laine? I thought it was Puljujarvi?

Laine has not recorded assists with Tappara because his linemates are disgustingly poor finishers. He sets them up with beautiful passes and they fail to convert their opportunities. They can't get the puck to him either.

He plays on a team with extremely poor offensive depth, and usually plays on the second line so that the coaching staff may better distribute the team's offense throughout the lineup. His linemates lack the hockey IQ to do anything with the puck, struggling to make basic plays at times.

Tappara's coaching staff have finally made the decision to put Laine on the top line with Kuusela and Lajunen; that's the team's last-ditch effort in Game 4 of the Liiga Finals where the opponent, HIFK, has dominated. Tappara lost big in Games 1 and 3; Game 2 was only won because of a big performance by Laine where he drew the penalty on Tappara's opening goal and assisted on the winner. HIFK is the league's best team this season. Tomorrow should be a game to watch.

Both Pulju and Laine are high-IQ players, although Patrik is the better finisher while Jesse's higher-end skating ability allows him to be the better playmaker. Both can pass, and both can shoot; Laine is the better shooter, though. As I've said previously, Puljujarvi can probably notch 25 to 30 goals per season with his shot, while Laine's scoring ability that will allow him to push above 40 goals.

My bad, it was Laine. Sounds like he got new linemates, though.
 
He is a plus skater in my opinion. He needs to get a lot stronger but the skating critique is off base.


He is not a 'plus' skater. Bean does not create separation with his top speed, nor does he accelerate past opponents in his first few steps. On the other hand, his edge work and overall agility is quite good. That doesn't equate to a plus skater overall, IMO.
 
Are you sure it was Laine? I thought it was Puljujarvi?



My bad, it was Laine. Sounds like he got new linemates, though.
Laine was FINALLY moved to the top line with Kuusela and Lajunen.

They dominated today's game. Up until now, Laine had been playing on Tappara's second line with Järvinen and Peltola. Haapala was moved off of the top line and placed on the Järvinen line.

One goal, two assists for Laine. He, Kuusela, and Lajunen all scored in this game. They did something every shift, and the puck movement on that line was so much better than what had been happening on the Järvinen line.
Watching Laine play now.. Whoever said his linemates are plugs are lying they are a good team!

But Laine did do this all on his own !
Lying? Peltola has 4 points in 15 games in the current playoff campaign; Järvinen also has just 4 points. That line is useless. Tappara is a one-line team.

You haven't watched any Tappara games besides this one, GP, have you?
 
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He is not a 'plus' skater. Bean does not create separation with his top speed, nor does he accelerate past opponents in his first few steps. On the other hand, his edge work and overall agility is quite good. That doesn't equate to a plus skater overall, IMO.

Yeah, people equate 'good skater at the WHL level' with 'projects as a good-skating NHL player' and it just isn't the case.

Only elite junior skaters project as good skaters in pro, where nearly everyone was an above-average skater in junior.

Bean projects as an average NHL skater at best. His best tool is his ridiculously accurate snapshot, which he does a great job of bending around screens and picking corners with.
 
Laine was FINALLY moved to the top line with Kuusela and Lajunen.

They dominated today's game. Up until now, Laine had been playing on Tappara's second line with Järvinen and Peltola. Haapala was moved off of the top line and placed on the Järvinen line.

One goal, two assists for Laine. He, Kuusela, and Lajunen all scored in this game. They did something every shift, and the puck movement on that line was so much better than what had been happening on the Järvinen line.

Lying? Peltola has 4 points in 15 games in the current playoff campaign; Järvinen also has just 4 points. That line is useless. Tappara is a one-line team.

You haven't watched any Tappara games besides this one, GP, have you?

Guilty i've been just a highlight watcher.. Watching 82 games of the Canucks this year and now the stanley cup playoffs haven't had much time to watch Liiga games.... I think this is my 2nd one I watched
 
Guilty i've been just a highlight watcher.. Watching 82 games of the Canucks this year and now the stanley cup playoffs haven't had much time to watch Liiga games.... I think this is my 2nd one I watched
You picked a good day to tune in! Coach Tapola finally moved Laine to the top line for the first time ever. If he had played Laine on this line any time earlier during the season, his point totals would have been off the charts.

I invite you to stick around for the rest of the series. With this top line now, things could start to heat up in Games 5, 6, and possibly 7.
 
Throwing out a preliminary top 30, but of course, subject to change up to the draft. Sat down a few days ago to put something to paper.

1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Jost [Please note, not a knee jerk based on the U18s, was already in my top 10 before the tournament, hovering around 8-9 after watching the WJAC. The question mark was always quality of competition, i think that's been answered so he moves up 2 spots]
7. Nylander
8. McLeod
9. Chychrun [I did have him higher but I decided to prioritize the 3 prior forwards and dropped the top few defenders. But JC is still my #1 D]
10. Keller [Moved up based on defenders falling, but his offense will take him far and continues to produce against NCAA competition]
11. Sergachev [Falls out of my top 10, potential is high, but the casual kev aspect of his game makes me a bit hesitant to rank him in the top 10]
12. McAvoy [Under-rated, put up a rookie season similar to Werenski]
13. Bellows [Love a lot of aspects of his game; great shot, scorer's instincts, but also has a solid all around and physical game, does a lot of heavy lifting for his line, behind only Matthews/Kane/Kessel in goals per season for the NTDP]
14. Kunin [Find him similar to Bellows, natural goal scorer, great shot, and a very hard worker. Great rookie season]
15. Fabbro [I had him lower earlier, but he showed a lot better on the PP at the U18s, while maintaining his safe game]
16. Brown [Really intriguing potential. Inconsistent, but was more steady as the year ended. Some games you won't notice him, but he'll have a couple of points. Sometimes can dominate using his frame to protect the puck and win battles, very good vision and passing ability]
17. Rubtsov [Only exposure i have is the WJAC, but i think he showed very well. Very smart and mature center, doesn't go running around, has some nice net drive and soft hands around the net. Needs to improve skating and maybe less Meldonium :)]
18. Bean [Excellent shot and can move the puck. But i do feel there are risks with his defensive game, in terms of urgency and understanding]
19. Juolevi [I've said enough about this player :D]
20. Dineen [I've said enough about this player :D]
21. Jones [I think he gets a lot of hate, but i really tried to watch him when the big guns were away at the WJC. I think he would be a 1st liner on many other OHL teams, takeaway the extremely slow start production wise, i think he was close to PPG pace the rest of the way, while playing down the line-up and taking a major defensive role along side Pu at ES and on the 1st unit PK. He showed great speed, a good shot, and his energy is visible on the ice - Bull in a China shop mentality. Which does work in both good and bad ways. Still a good bet to be a middle 6 kind of guy]
22. Dahlen [A really good goal scorer, a shift waterbug player who isn't afraid of the front of the net. Aspects of his play reminds me of a Jeff Skinner, the way they both work their edges, their goal scoring ability]

--- This is where i think things can change up a lot for me ---

23. Katchouk [A fan favorite who plays a high energy, puck pursuit game, but is very smart and has some underrated skill]
24. Johansen [Most of my viewings have been earlier in the season, up to Feb, i found him having a solid defensive game, but it sounds like there are cracks showing through in his playoffs. Wish there was still that streaming site around... that i paid for until the end of the season :rant:]
25. Abramov
26. Asplund
27. Mascherin
28. LaBerge
29. Bitten
30. Gauthier

Unknown: Tufte [don't know really where to place him as i haven't watched him much at all]

That's it for now. #Tellmeimwrong and where.

Closest list I've seen to my own thoughts personally (except I have McAvoy ahead of Sergachev; Keller ahead of Mcleod and Nylander, and Bean higher up). Others are similarly placed. Well done.
 
What do you mean brutal playoffs? He had a very strong playoff showing, he and as Zacha were the Sting's best players. On top of that, he was over a PPG pace, created a lot of scoring chances, had stretches of dominant play.

Agreed the playoffs helped him raise his stock if anything
 
Its starting to become extremely difficult to rank Laine behind Matthews. Not sure who I have at #1 anymore.
 
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