Tobi Wan Kenobi
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Chychrun doesn't look very impressive right now. He just makes too many bad plays... Especially to take with a top 6 pick.
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Well yeah, we have a 51.6% chance to pick outside of the top 4. We're more likely to pick there.
Laine has not recorded assists with Tappara because his linemates are disgustingly poor finishers. He sets them up with beautiful passes and they fail to convert their opportunities. They can't get the puck to him either.
He plays on a team with extremely poor offensive depth, and usually plays on the second line so that the coaching staff may better distribute the team's offense throughout the lineup. His linemates lack the hockey IQ to do anything with the puck, struggling to make basic plays at times.
Tappara's coaching staff have finally made the decision to put Laine on the top line with Kuusela and Lajunen; that's the team's last-ditch effort in Game 4 of the Liiga Finals where the opponent, HIFK, has dominated. Tappara lost big in Games 1 and 3; Game 2 was only won because of a big performance by Laine where he drew the penalty on Tappara's opening goal and assisted on the winner. HIFK is the league's best team this season. Tomorrow should be a game to watch.
Both Pulju and Laine are high-IQ players, although Patrik is the better finisher while Jesse's higher-end skating ability allows him to be the better playmaker. Both can pass, and both can shoot; Laine is the better shooter, though. As I've said previously, Puljujarvi can probably notch 25 to 30 goals per season with his shot, while Laine's scoring ability that will allow him to push above 40 goals.
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It's not that simple. If you go by solid percentages then every team in the nhl has a 47+ % chance of finishing outside the top 4. Bottom line is canucks have 3rd best chance to finish in the top 3. The 4th 5th 6th 7th etc seed shouldn't even bother watching the lottery then if we have a 51% chance of finishing outside the top 4. It's all relative.
I really dont get the lack of hype that occurs with some players on here and the incredible hype some players get in comparison when the draft gets going in our forum every year especially when discussing a pool of high end talent.
Puljujärvi if we get him we should be ecstatic. On here he is almost treated as an after thought and a big drop from laine.
I like laine and and I know some posters who have been posting quite a bit in here are massive laine fans, and I might pick him 2nd as well, but for me its close, they are two different players with different strengths but both amazingly gifted. Laine looks like the smooth sniper, and Puljujärvi the better skating, puck hound who loves to make plays and put pucks on net but does not have the shot.
I just hope if we are lucky enough to draft Puljujärvi people dont treat him as a consolation prize on here.
This is right.
Puljujärvi has a hard shot, but the accuracy isn't quite as good as Laine's; he doesn't shoot as often as Laine does either.
Pulju is a speedy, strong, puck-rushing playmaker with a booming shot. He can go after pucks and control possession with his speed and size, and he likes to quarterback the offense. He would be a great top-line player for Vancouver . . . and he together with Brock Boeser would be a dynamite combination.
Laine is my #1 choice in this year's draft, but Puljujärvi is still an elite talent.
I don't understand how the canucks came in with the #3 worse record yet have better chances of landing the 4, 5 and 6th pick... it doesn't make sence
They still have the third best chance of finishing in the top 3. It makes sense. It's bc there are 11 other teams that combined all together have a greater chance of winning the lottery. It's like if every team from 2-30 all have a 1% chance of winning the lottery. Your chances of losing the lottery is 29%. But you have an exponentially greater shot at winning first. How would you feel about having that 1% chance . It's all relative. Like I said earlier.
Because NO team has great odds to win a lottery. The teams at the top have the best odds but those odds are still not better than every other team combined.
Imagine the real lotto for a moment. Say you go out and buy 500 tickets. You have by far the best chance of anyone to win it but it's still a long shot that you'll win.
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He reminds me a lot of Jovanovski. Which is still a top 10 pick. Just not a prospect you take over Tkachuk or Dubois.
donut
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I REALLY hope we somehow pick up another mid-round 1st and get Jost, especially if we take a defender with our top 6 selection.
.... or selection Bean/McAvoy if we take a forward.
polarbearcub
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another top 10 pick* which is where Jost will be going. Furthest i can see him going if he continues this is 12.
Or else we are going to have another Connor situation.
WhiteCurse
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Agree, he was able to hide in the bchl. Now that people have got to see abit more of him he will rise.
GetFocht
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If Canucks are picking 6th, I hope they select Jost. He's on the right path to succeed with his monster play at U18's, and will be going to one of the best hockey development programs in nation. The fact that he gets to play alongside Boeser will only help his trajectory.
Whomever picks him this draft is likely going to get a steal.
Whomever picks him this draft is likely going to get a steal.
Perfect places to pick in this draft
1-3- Matthews One of fins
8-12 Getting Jost Keller with a pick that late...
1-3- Matthews One of fins
8-12 Getting Jost Keller with a pick that late...
A few players I'm really liking, Jost and Fabbro, I think their going to be big steals in this draft, we pick too hghi to land either one but in a redraft a few years later we could be kicking ourselves. I haven't been that impressed with Puljujarvi, but I still like the potential there, the size and skill, good all around game, just hope he doesn't become a Paajarvi.
Tobi Wan Kenobi
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http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...ofile-clayton-keller-deserves-to-be-in-fourth
Maybe not at 4 but Keller definitely deserves consideration at 6
Maybe not at 4 but Keller definitely deserves consideration at 6
Would you lose your **** if Benning went off the board and picked Jost at 4? I think I might be ok with that. He looks like a stud.
thefeebster
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Throwing out a preliminary top 30, but of course, subject to change up to the draft. Sat down a few days ago to put something to paper.
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Jost [Please note, not a knee jerk based on the U18s, was already in my top 10 before the tournament, hovering around 8-9 after watching the WJAC. The question mark was always quality of competition, i think that's been answered so he moves up 2 spots]
7. Nylander
8. McLeod
9. Chychrun [I did have him higher but I decided to prioritize the 3 prior forwards and dropped the top few defenders. But JC is still my #1 D]
10. Keller [Moved up based on defenders falling, but his offense will take him far and continues to produce against NCAA competition]
11. Sergachev [Falls out of my top 10, potential is high, but the casual kev aspect of his game makes me a bit hesitant to rank him in the top 10]
12. McAvoy [Under-rated, put up a rookie season similar to Werenski]
13. Bellows [Love a lot of aspects of his game; great shot, scorer's instincts, but also has a solid all around and physical game, does a lot of heavy lifting for his line, behind only Matthews/Kane/Kessel in goals per season for the NTDP]
14. Kunin [Find him similar to Bellows, natural goal scorer, great shot, and a very hard worker. Great rookie season]
15. Fabbro [I had him lower earlier, but he showed a lot better on the PP at the U18s, while maintaining his safe game]
16. Brown [Really intriguing potential. Inconsistent, but was more steady as the year ended. Some games you won't notice him, but he'll have a couple of points. Sometimes can dominate using his frame to protect the puck and win battles, very good vision and passing ability]
17. Rubtsov [Only exposure i have is the WJAC, but i think he showed very well. Very smart and mature center, doesn't go running around, has some nice net drive and soft hands around the net. Needs to improve skating and maybe less Meldonium
]
18. Bean [Excellent shot and can move the puck. But i do feel there are risks with his defensive game, in terms of urgency and understanding]
19. Juolevi [I've said enough about this player
]
20. Dineen [I've said enough about this player]
21. Jones [I think he gets a lot of hate, but i really tried to watch him when the big guns were away at the WJC. I think he would be a 1st liner on many other OHL teams, takeaway the extremely slow start production wise, i think he was close to PPG pace the rest of the way, while playing down the line-up and taking a major defensive role along side Pu at ES and on the 1st unit PK. He showed great speed, a good shot, and his energy is visible on the ice - Bull in a China shop mentality. Which does work in both good and bad ways. Still a good bet to be a middle 6 kind of guy]
22. Dahlen [A really good goal scorer, a shift waterbug player who isn't afraid of the front of the net. Aspects of his play reminds me of a Jeff Skinner, the way they both work their edges, their goal scoring ability]
--- This is where i think things can change up a lot for me ---
23. Katchouk [A fan favorite who plays a high energy, puck pursuit game, but is very smart and has some underrated skill]
24. Johansen [Most of my viewings have been earlier in the season, up to Feb, i found him having a solid defensive game, but it sounds like there are cracks showing through in his playoffs. Wish there was still that streaming site around... that i paid for until the end of the season
]
25. Abramov
26. Asplund
27. Mascherin
28. LaBerge
29. Bitten
30. Gauthier
Unknown: Tufte [don't know really where to place him as i haven't watched him much at all]
That's it for now. #Tellmeimwrong and where.
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Jost [Please note, not a knee jerk based on the U18s, was already in my top 10 before the tournament, hovering around 8-9 after watching the WJAC. The question mark was always quality of competition, i think that's been answered so he moves up 2 spots]
7. Nylander
8. McLeod
9. Chychrun [I did have him higher but I decided to prioritize the 3 prior forwards and dropped the top few defenders. But JC is still my #1 D]
10. Keller [Moved up based on defenders falling, but his offense will take him far and continues to produce against NCAA competition]
11. Sergachev [Falls out of my top 10, potential is high, but the casual kev aspect of his game makes me a bit hesitant to rank him in the top 10]
12. McAvoy [Under-rated, put up a rookie season similar to Werenski]
13. Bellows [Love a lot of aspects of his game; great shot, scorer's instincts, but also has a solid all around and physical game, does a lot of heavy lifting for his line, behind only Matthews/Kane/Kessel in goals per season for the NTDP]
14. Kunin [Find him similar to Bellows, natural goal scorer, great shot, and a very hard worker. Great rookie season]
15. Fabbro [I had him lower earlier, but he showed a lot better on the PP at the U18s, while maintaining his safe game]
16. Brown [Really intriguing potential. Inconsistent, but was more steady as the year ended. Some games you won't notice him, but he'll have a couple of points. Sometimes can dominate using his frame to protect the puck and win battles, very good vision and passing ability]
17. Rubtsov [Only exposure i have is the WJAC, but i think he showed very well. Very smart and mature center, doesn't go running around, has some nice net drive and soft hands around the net. Needs to improve skating and maybe less Meldonium
]18. Bean [Excellent shot and can move the puck. But i do feel there are risks with his defensive game, in terms of urgency and understanding]
19. Juolevi [I've said enough about this player
]20. Dineen [I've said enough about this player
]21. Jones [I think he gets a lot of hate, but i really tried to watch him when the big guns were away at the WJC. I think he would be a 1st liner on many other OHL teams, takeaway the extremely slow start production wise, i think he was close to PPG pace the rest of the way, while playing down the line-up and taking a major defensive role along side Pu at ES and on the 1st unit PK. He showed great speed, a good shot, and his energy is visible on the ice - Bull in a China shop mentality. Which does work in both good and bad ways. Still a good bet to be a middle 6 kind of guy]
22. Dahlen [A really good goal scorer, a shift waterbug player who isn't afraid of the front of the net. Aspects of his play reminds me of a Jeff Skinner, the way they both work their edges, their goal scoring ability]
--- This is where i think things can change up a lot for me ---
23. Katchouk [A fan favorite who plays a high energy, puck pursuit game, but is very smart and has some underrated skill]
24. Johansen [Most of my viewings have been earlier in the season, up to Feb, i found him having a solid defensive game, but it sounds like there are cracks showing through in his playoffs. Wish there was still that streaming site around... that i paid for until the end of the season
]25. Abramov
26. Asplund
27. Mascherin
28. LaBerge
29. Bitten
30. Gauthier
Unknown: Tufte [don't know really where to place him as i haven't watched him much at all]
That's it for now. #Tellmeimwrong and where.
Jost rocketing up to 6? Chychrun dropping to 9? Yee-haw!
From my admittedly-uneducated POV, Jost and Boeser are mirror-images of each other, stylistically - they both possess that slipperiness and great vision to get into soft ice and scoring areas. It's fitting that Boeser is a RW and Jost is a LW. And both can take on limited face-off responsibility.
From my admittedly-uneducated POV, Jost and Boeser are mirror-images of each other, stylistically - they both possess that slipperiness and great vision to get into soft ice and scoring areas. It's fitting that Boeser is a RW and Jost is a LW. And both can take on limited face-off responsibility.
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There's a very good chance Puljujarvi ends up a Canuck..he's 3rd or 4th on most peoples lists. I think everyone is focused on Laine right now and some people are forgetting how good Puljujarvi is
check out this youtube video, forward it to 3.01 mark. Look at how fast Pulju goes through the neutral zone.... that is truely insane speed. He looks faster than anyone the Canucks have. Also, once he attacks the D, he pulls off a great move..but what's more impressive to me is the fact that he pulls it off while moving so fast. Your chance of getting through a Dman with a swift deke goes up big time the faster you're moving forward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0DMes_uwJI
check out this youtube video, forward it to 3.01 mark. Look at how fast Pulju goes through the neutral zone.... that is truely insane speed. He looks faster than anyone the Canucks have. Also, once he attacks the D, he pulls off a great move..but what's more impressive to me is the fact that he pulls it off while moving so fast. Your chance of getting through a Dman with a swift deke goes up big time the faster you're moving forward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0DMes_uwJI
Bleach Clean
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Throwing out a preliminary top 30, but of course, subject to change up to the draft. Sat down a few days ago to put something to paper.
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Jost [Please note, not a knee jerk based on the U18s, was already in my top 10 before the tournament, hovering around 8-9 after watching the WJAC. The question mark was always quality of competition, i think that's been answered so he moves up 2 spots]
7. Nylander
8. McLeod
9. Chychrun [I did have him higher but I decided to prioritize the 3 prior forwards and dropped the top few defenders. But JC is still my #1 D]
10. Keller [Moved up based on defenders falling, but his offense will take him far and continues to produce against NCAA competition]
11. Sergachev [Falls out of my top 10, potential is high, but the casual kev aspect of his game makes me a bit hesitant to rank him in the top 10]
12. McAvoy [Under-rated, put up a rookie season similar to Werenski]
13. Bellows [Love a lot of aspects of his game; great shot, scorer's instincts, but also has a solid all around and physical game, does a lot of heavy lifting for his line, behind only Matthews/Kane/Kessel in goals per season for the NTDP]
14. Kunin [Find him similar to Bellows, natural goal scorer, great shot, and a very hard worker. Great rookie season]
15. Fabbro [I had him lower earlier, but he showed a lot better on the PP at the U18s, while maintaining his safe game]
16. Brown [Really intriguing potential. Inconsistent, but was more steady as the year ended. Some games you won't notice him, but he'll have a couple of points. Sometimes can dominate using his frame to protect the puck and win battles, very good vision and passing ability]
17. Rubtsov [Only exposure i have is the WJAC, but i think he showed very well. Very smart and mature center, doesn't go running around, has some nice net drive and soft hands around the net. Needs to improve skating and maybe less Meldonium
18. Bean [Excellent shot and can move the puck. But i do feel there are risks with his defensive game, in terms of urgency and understanding]
19. Juolevi [I've said enough about this player
20. Dineen [I've said enough about this player
21. Jones [I think he gets a lot of hate, but i really tried to watch him when the big guns were away at the WJC. I think he would be a 1st liner on many other OHL teams, takeaway the extremely slow start production wise, i think he was close to PPG pace the rest of the way, while playing down the line-up and taking a major defensive role along side Pu at ES and on the 1st unit PK. He showed great speed, a good shot, and his energy is visible on the ice - Bull in a China shop mentality. Which does work in both good and bad ways. Still a good bet to be a middle 6 kind of guy]
22. Dahlen [A really good goal scorer, a shift waterbug player who isn't afraid of the front of the net. Aspects of his play reminds me of a Jeff Skinner, the way they both work their edges, their goal scoring ability]
--- This is where i think things can change up a lot for me ---
23. Katchouk [A fan favorite who plays a high energy, puck pursuit game, but is very smart and has some underrated skill]
24. Johansen [Most of my viewings have been earlier in the season, up to Feb, i found him having a solid defensive game, but it sounds like there are cracks showing through in his playoffs. Wish there was still that streaming site around... that i paid for until the end of the season
25. Abramov
26. Asplund
27. Mascherin
28. LaBerge
29. Bitten
30. Gauthier
Unknown: Tufte [don't know really where to place him as i haven't watched him much at all]
That's it for now. #Tellmeimwrong and where.
Everywhere.
jk.Good list! Right off the bat, I like that you have McLeod in the top10. Most people don't right now, and I think that's a mistake... but of course I could be wrong.
Next, I like the McAvoy ranking -- I have had him on my radar very early in the season. Always liked him (check my post history). Very well rounded, right shot, size, skating and now production.
Why Nylander over Keller?
Bean is much lower on your list than he is on mine, but I understand the concerns you have with this game. Wild Card defender.
Like Kunin and Bellows.
Your more stark rankings are with Juolevi and Gauthier. Can you explain the latter?
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