2016 Draft Thread | 7

[McHortton]

It's more that Tkachuk has kind of reclaimed his spot at #4 with his great playoff play.

 

[skg]

GoT on Sunday, NFL draft on Thursday and lottery on Saturday. Oh yeah, it's going to be a good week.

 

[Bleach Clean]

More like Dubois made his case late. Dubois wasn't really on anyone's radar as a top 4 pick until a couple months ago. Tkachuk is just doing what he's been doing all year.

The question is, why did PLD supplant him in the rankings. Do you have an answer? When you get that answer, you recognize why Tkachuk fell behind, regardless of what he has done "all year".

If nothing has changed for Tkachuk, why is Dubois ahead with a lower PPG?

 

[McHortton]

The question is, why did PLD supplant him in the rankings. Do you have an answer? When you get that answer, you recognize why Tkachuk fell behind, regardless of wha,t he has done "all year".

If nothing has changed for Tkachuk, why is Dubois ahead with a lower PPG?

Size , position, more complete player. Still would be an either or for me, would pick either over Chychryn for sure.

 

[Icebreakers]

Could easily see us taking Tkachuk at 4.

 

[Mr Plow]

The question is, why did PLD supplant him in the rankings. Do you have an answer? When you get that answer, you recognize why Tkachuk fell behind, regardless of what he has done "all year".

If nothing has changed for Tkachuk, why is Dubois ahead with a lower PPG?

Because scouts don't make picks based on PPG? And you said it yourself, there is no consensus #4, so I don't understand this "why is Dubois ahead line of questioning".

With that said, there are many reasons to rate Dubois higher than Tkachuk. He's a better skater, he's more comfortable at zone entries IMO, he has a bigger frame, he can score from farther out, and his trajectory of improvement is more impressive, among others. He would be a great addition to our prospect pool.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Because scouts don't make picks based on PPG? And you said it yourself, there is no consensus #4, so I don't understand this "why is Dubois ahead line of questioning".

With that said, there are many reasons to rate Dubois higher than Tkachuk. He's a better skater, he's more comfortable at zone entries IMO, he has a bigger frame, he can score from farther out, and his trajectory of improvement is more impressive, among others. He would be a great addition to our prospect pool.

I took umbrage with "reclaimed his spot", as if Tkachuk owned it. That's all. You could prefer Tkachuk over PLD, I'm fine with it. It's not an outlandish position to maintain.

Tkachuk is making his case right now for sure.

 

[polarbearcub]

I love Mathew tkachuk and thjnk he turns out to be one of the best players in this draft.

I don't know as much about Dubois but I like both and would be extremely happy with either

 

[CanaFan]

Love seeing strong performances from guys in our range, gives us more "strong options" to choose from rather than "just what's left". Hope Tkachuk keeps it up even though I would still prefer Dubois.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Love seeing strong performances from guys in our range, gives us more "strong options" to choose from rather than "just what's left". Hope Tkachuk keeps it up even though I would still prefer Dubois.

Can go both ways in that it can move Benning off the more preferred target (PLD, for me as well).

 

[Mr Plow]

I took umbrage with "reclaimed his spot", as if Tkachuk owned it. That's all. You could prefer Tkachuk over PLD, I'm fine with it. It's not an outlandish position to maintain.

Tkachuk is making his case right now for sure.

Must have been someone else who said Tkachuk reclaimed that spot

I also wouldn't say I prefer Tkachuk at 4, which is funny because I think he has a higher chance of being the better player. At this point in time however I think you have to go with the upside of Dubois. He could be a very special player if he continues to develop at his current trajectory.

 

[M2Beezy]

It's more that Tkachuk has kind of reclaimed his spot at #4 with his great playoff play.

No one buys that

 

[Bleach Clean]

Must have been someone else who said Tkachuk reclaimed that spot

Whoops, my mistake. That was McHorton.

I also wouldn't say I prefer Tkachuk at 4, which is funny because I think he has a higher chance of being the better player. At this point in time however I think you have to go with the upside of Dubois. He could be a very special player if he continues to develop at his current trajectory.

All fair.

 

[lawrence]

Tkachuk although a very complete player in the sense that he can play offence, he is gritty, and have good vision, I think his stats might be somewhat inflated because of the players has the opportunity to play with right now, there is no question, and you guys are crazy to not have that in mind, were his stats are a little inflated. some players stats might be a little inflated because of one other player they happen to play with, but he has 2, and I am mean TWO other OHl super stars he has the chance to play with of course one can argue that Marner and Davorak also is somewhat inflated because one can argue, "Marner is lucky to have Tkachuk this year.

whoever Benning Picks I will stand behind that pick no matter what. He knows more then all of us combined, he will also have multiple op pinons from professional scouts.

 

[WhiteCurse]

Tkachuk although a very complete player in the sense that he can play offence, he is gritty, and have good vision, I think his stats might be somewhat inflated because of the players has the opportunity to play with right now, there is no question, and you guys are crazy to not have that in mind, were his stats are a little inflated. some players stats might be a little inflated because of one other player they happen to play with, but he has 2, and I am mean TWO other OHl super stars he has the chance to play with of course one can argue that Marner and Davorak also is somewhat inflated because one can argue, "Marner is lucky to have Tkachuk this year.

whoever Benning Picks I will stand behind that pick no matter what. He knows more then all of us combined, he will also have multiple op pinons from professional scouts.

Tkachuk does have much better line mates but he also has double the playoff pts in one less game

 

[dwarf]

I believe Tkachuk is well ahead of Dubois. I also think Nylander is better than Dubois and is underrated.

All I know for sure is that lottery can't come soon enough. Maybe there will be no need to debate any of this.

 

[Cupless44]

Could easily see us taking Tkachuk at 4.

There is absolutely no question the best 5 players in this draft are forwards.

 

[CanaFan]

Can go both ways in that it can move Benning off the more preferred target (PLD, for me as well).

I see that risk but I tend to think Benning sees what he sees, so on the off-chance that he has already taken a shine to Tkachuk and takes him over PLD, I don't mind seeing Tkachuk play at a level that would make me more "ok" with that decision.

Look at the alternative: Tkachuk could have a terrible playoff and we still take him over PLD for reasons (league, scouts, whatever). I prefer if Tkachuk makes himself a legit option for that potential scenario.

 

[Nucker101]

There is absolutely no question the best 5 players in this draft are forwards.

I'm in this boat as well. One of the dmen will probably end up making a case as a top 5 player in this draft, but to me the better picks to make right now are at forward.

 

[Quinning]

I'm in this boat as well. One of the dmen will probably end up making a case as a top 5 player in this draft, but to me the better picks to make right now are at forward.

Would rather see us grab an elite forward talent as they are generally more of sure things at the top of the board and then draft a dman with the 33rd pick. Bound to be some good ones.

 

[WTG]

People flipped out when we took virtanen over nylander/ehlers

Because we took a support player over a potential key player. We are picking in the top 6 this year. We can potentially pick up a player that becomes the best player on our team for the next decade. And if we instead of picking the player with the most potential to be great we pick a supportive player like juolevi or tkachuk I'll be severely disappointed.

Picking a player like bean might be riskier but he has legit #1 upside. Picking a guy like nylander might be riskier but he can be a top line winger that drives the play.

If you want to have the best of both worlds in the 4-6 spot you target PLD, he is a safe bet for a top 6 and has top end potential. People always hype up prospects (including me) and there is idea that every top 10 pick is going to be a top end player.

I encourage people to go back and look at previous drafts and count the number of top line/top pairing forwards/defenseman in each draft. At most you'll get about 3-5 per year. We can't afford to play it save.

 

[lawrence]

Tkachuk does have much better line mates but he also has double the playoff pts in one less game

What if Dubois has Dvorak and marner as linemate said instead ?

What if tkachuk didn't have the privilege of playing with marner and Dvorak?

At the top,prospects game Dubois was clearly the better player.

Regardless it seems like 4 and 5 will be Pierre or Mathew.

Question for all Canuck fans, if the worst case scenario happens who do we draft with the 6 pick ?

 

[Askel]

People flipped out when we took virtanen over nylander/ehlers

Because we took a support player over a potential key player. We are picking in the top 6 this year. We can potentially pick up a player that becomes the best player on our team for the next decade. And if we instead of picking the player with the most potential to be great we pick a supportive player like juolevi or tkachuk I'll be severely disappointed.

Picking a player like bean might be riskier but he has legit #1 upside. Picking a guy like nylander might be riskier but he can be a top line winger that drives the play.

If you want to have the best of both worlds in the 4-6 spot you target PLD, he is a safe bet for a top 6 and has top end potential. People always hype up prospects (including me) and there is idea that every top 10 pick is going to be a top end player.

I encourage people to go back and look at previous drafts and count the number of top line/top pairing forwards/defenseman in each draft. At most you'll get about 3-5 per year. We can't afford to play it save.

Tkachuks upside is higher then Bean´s. I know you love Bean but come on now Bean is a guy you pic around 8-10. Tkachuk is another tier, he has the upside of a gritty 30 goalscorer with good vision.

That said I hope Benning takes PLD over Tkachuk,

 

[lawrence]

Tkachuks upside is higher then Bean´s. I know you love Bean but come on now Bean is a guy you pic around 8-10. Tkachuk is another tier, he has the upside of a gritty 30 goalscorer with good vision.

That said I hope Benning takes PLD over Tkachuk,

This is more opinion, but I personally think bean is going to be an all star. He's that good, and was bennings original target for a reason.

 

[WhiteCurse]

What if Dubois has Dvorak and marner as linemate said instead ?

What if tkachuk didn't have the privilege of playing with marner and Dvorak?

At the top,prospects game Dubois was clearly the better player.

Regardless it seems like 4 and 5 will be Pierre or Mathew.

Question for all Canuck fans, if the worst case scenario happens who do we draft with the 6 pick ?

Who was the second best player in TP game ?

Hard to get a good reading in games like that. They do not suit all types of players.

I dont care if we take Tka or PLD, im good with either. Of course im talking at 4 or 5