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Mr Plow said:
I think he'll be gone by 15 ;)

On a more serious note, I'm not sure exactly what people are seeing in Brown to put him in the top 10. Everything about his game outside of his size seems more or less average. Maybe he'll be a good possession player at the next level but to me he plays slow and methodical. I don't see top 10 pick potential.

I don't even know if I would want him at center in the NHL. Sure he can make quick little plays but I don't think he plays with enough urgency and battle to control the middle of the ice. Would be curious to know what those who have seen more of him make of his game/potential.
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I'm one of those that put Brown in my top 10.

From your view, it's that he doesn't play with enough urgency. From my view, I see that he's able to slow the game down, a skill that players like Thornton have. I think he's raw, but the way he plays and processes the game is very pro-like. I see him having more of a long-term impact in the NHL than the next tier, hence his elevation into the top 10.

To each their own.
 
PeanutButterFingers said:
Uhhh.. no. His biggest weakness was skating and strength. People with poor attitudes can skate and can be strong.
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Let's not beat around the bush - Hodgson's biggest weakness was his major injury that was misdiagnosed IMO.

Any player we draft - Matthews, Poolparty, Laine, Dubois, Jost, whoever - can follow the same career trend. Sometimes you have qualities that are NHL passable and one injury comes along and suddenly you lose half a step and you're just not fast enough, or something doesn't quite feel right, or you deal with lingering pain for the rest of your career or anything else.

I would bet any amount of money that his major back injury had a ripple effect on all his other attributes - skating, strength, attitude, everything.
 
VanJack said:
still burns my butt that Jimbo wasn't able to turn either Hamhuis or Vrbata into more picks.
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Perhaps because "Jimbo" realizes that there's far more to rebuilding than stockpiling on picks? (at the expense of maintaining a 'culture' in the dressing room).

I'm actually glad that Hamhuis wasn't moved, and that the Canucks have a shot at re-signing a good defenseman that WANTS to be here. The Canucks defense is thin as is, and without Hamhuis, its even thinner........thin enough to the point where it could be counter-productive to any attempt at rebuilding.

Given Vrbata's misuse this year by WD (and subsequent lack of production), Vrbata wasn't going to fetch us anything. There was literally zero interest in Vrbata at this year's deadline.
 
Connor McHindu said:
Perhaps because "Jimbo" realizes that there's far more to rebuilding than stockpiling on picks? (at the expense of maintaining a 'culture' in the dressing room).

I'm actually glad that Hamhuis wasn't moved, and that the Canucks have a shot at re-signing a good defenseman that WANTS to be here. The Canucks defense is thin as is, and without Hamhuis, its even thinner........thin enough to the point where it could be counter-productive to any attempt at rebuilding.

Given Vrbata's misuse this year by WD (and subsequent lack of production), Vrbata wasn't going to fetch us anything. There was literally zero interest in Vrbata at this year's deadline.
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Yeah, no.

Benning tried to move both and completely ****ed it up. He did not decide to keep them for 'culture' reasons.

Also it seems that they aren't planning on re-signing Hamhuis.
 
MS said:
Yeah, no.

Benning tried to move both and completely ****ed it up. He did not decide to keep them for 'culture' reasons.

Also it seems that they aren't planning on re-signing Hamhuis.
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Vrbata had little to no value at this year's deadline.

Unlike last year where veteran defensemen could land you a 1st round pick (i.e. Sekera), the market was substantially different this year. At best, Hamhuis would've landed a 2nd+. However, given that Hamhuis publicly went on record saying that he wanted to stay in Vancouver and play out his career here, a red flag went up with other teams (i.e. Antoine Vermette part deux). Hence - his value became even lower. Dallas elected to go with Kris Russel, while Chicago went with Andrew Ladd.

Throwing away assets substantially below market value would've set a bad precedent......and would've given other GM's the message that Benning can be pressured into selling assets out of desperation. Instead, Benning stayed strong and decided that maintaining the culture of the team was more important than trading assets far below market value in the name of "rebuilding."

There is a lot more to rebuilding than simply trading vets for picks of any kind.
 
MS said:
Yeah, no.

Benning tried to move both and completely ****ed it up. He did not decide to keep them for 'culture' reasons.

Also it seems that they aren't planning on re-signing Hamhuis.
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The truth on Vrbata has become public. His wife was having a baby and he really had no interest in moving so made it extremely difficult to move him with the list he provided Benning.

Ideally Vrbata should have been moved in the summer, but not easy to move your only 30 goal scorer on a team that has trouble scoring.
 
Cupless44 said:
The truth on Vrbata has become public. His wife was having a baby and he really had no interest in moving so made it extremely difficult to move him with the list he provided Benning.

Ideally Vrbata should have been moved in the summer, but not easy to move your only 30 goal scorer on a team that has trouble scoring.
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Vrbata should have been kept given the year that he had.......but should've just gone back to playing with the twins. There was absolutely ZERO reason to split the twins and Vrbata in the 1st place given Vrbata's play and production. When it became obvious that Vrbata wasn't good enough to carry a 2nd line and/or play with centers not known for their playmaking ability, WD should have moved him back.

Vrbata has every right to be miffed about what transpired.
 
Connor McHindu said:
Perhaps because "Jimbo" realizes that there's far more to rebuilding than stockpiling on picks? (at the expense of maintaining a 'culture' in the dressing room).

I'm actually glad that Hamhuis wasn't moved, and that the Canucks have a shot at re-signing a good defenseman that WANTS to be here. The Canucks defense is thin as is, and without Hamhuis, its even thinner........thin enough to the point where it could be counter-productive to any attempt at rebuilding.

Given Vrbata's misuse this year by WD (and subsequent lack of production), Vrbata wasn't going to fetch us anything. There was literally zero interest in Vrbata at this year's deadline.
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20 games of Hamhuis has no significant impact on 'culture'. Culture isn't a yo-yo that swings up and down from game to game. It is a long-accumulation of personalities, situations, and events that leads to a general collection of attitudes that we regard as 'culture'. TBH it is one of the most over-used and least well understood concepts that gets thrown around on these boards. One player doesn't make a 'culture' good or bad. Neither does one losing streak. And for those who just looooooove to bring up the Oilers boogeyman in their arguments, please take a look at what year that franchise last made the playoffs (here's a hint: it was over a decade ago). Because THAT is the type accumulation of personalities (i.e. too many rookies, junior hot dogs, and ineffective coaches), situations (high draft picks given too much too soon, lack of focus on defensive responsibilities, lack of strong veteran leadership), and events (decade of missing playoffs, 6 years of bottom 10 finishes) that leads to a deeply ingrained losing culture.

Not 20 games of Dan Hamhuis. Not a 10 game losing streak to end the season.

Perspective please.
 
Vrbata is a tough one to pin in Jimbo specifically at the TDL. Yes he was misused all season and that should be on Benning and WD, but for the TDL specifically, the circumstances were certainly difficult.

Hamhuis on the other hand was a **** up no two ways about it.
 
Vrbata should have been moved at "last" year's deadline - 2015.

I stated that at the time. Canucks weren't winning the cup last year.

Vrbata's value was highest then. We picked him up for free as a FA, and we could have gotten back a 1st rounder. That's how you gain value as a rebuilding team.
 
Anyone have thoughts on German Rubstov? I know he's not in the Canucks range since he's not in the conversation for top 6 and will likely be gone by 33 but I'm curious to know how people who have seen him play view him. I've been impressed from the few times I've seen him and the scouting reports from people who watch him play regularly are glowing. Wonder if he's getting less hype that he should as a Euro like Adrian Kempe(who I was high on) did.
 
Nucker101 said:
Anyone have thoughts on German Rubstov? I know he's not in the Canucks range since he's not in the conversation for top 6 and will likely be gone by 33 but I'm curious to know how people who have seen him play view him. I've been impressed from the few times I've seen him and the scouting reports from people who watch him play regularly are glowing. Wonder if he's getting less hype that he should as a Euro like Adrian Kempe(who I was high on) did.
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I haven't seen a lot of him either, but what I have seen I liked. I think he could become a really good 2nd line two-way center, but there's always slight concerns about the Russian factor and the meldonium scandal. The earliest I'd consider taking him is ~17th, I feel like he's a step below guys like Kunin/Bellows/McLeod.
 
Nucker101 said:
Anyone have thoughts on German Rubstov? I know he's not in the Canucks range since he's not in the conversation for top 6 and will likely be gone by 33 but I'm curious to know how people who have seen him play view him. I've been impressed from the few times I've seen him and the scouting reports from people who watch him play regularly are glowing. Wonder if he's getting less hype that he should as a Euro like Adrian Kempe(who I was high on) did.
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I like Rubstov more than I like Mcleod.

I think if he falls out of 15, he's a steal.

Stood out in every game I've watched him in. The clear go to player for Russia internationally, especially at the WJAC-19.

61-2, lanky, extremely good balance and mobile. Strong 2-way C, with underrated hands.

He's in my top 15, comfortably.
 
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Icebreakers said:
Well he says "if we pick 5 or 6 we will look to take that defenceman". lol. Please. :cry::cry::cry:
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I don't think we have to worry, I think the fourth guy on their board is Tkachuk and he'll most likely be there at 5. I could also see the Oilers drafting Juolevi before we pick.
 
one thing i don't think we have really taken into consideration if we fall to 6 but even possibly at 5 is that the Oilers will likely take a defenseman from the position before.
 
Connor McHindu said:
Vrbata had little to no value at this year's deadline.

Unlike last year where veteran defensemen could land you a 1st round pick (i.e. Sekera), the market was substantially different this year. At best, Hamhuis would've landed a 2nd+. However, given that Hamhuis publicly went on record saying that he wanted to stay in Vancouver and play out his career here, a red flag went up with other teams (i.e. Antoine Vermette part deux). Hence - his value became even lower. Dallas elected to go with Kris Russel, while Chicago went with Andrew Ladd.

Throwing away assets substantially below market value would've set a bad precedent......and would've given other GM's the message that Benning can be pressured into selling assets out of desperation. Instead, Benning stayed strong and decided that maintaining the culture of the team was more important than trading assets far below market value in the name of "rebuilding."

There is a lot more to rebuilding than simply trading vets for picks of any kind.
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https://www.nhl.com/news/chicago-stays-aggressive-lands-arizonas-vermette/c-755705

If only we could have had a Vermette situation. That would have been awesome.
 
NoShowWilly said:
one thing i don't think we have really taken into consideration if we fall to 6 but even possibly at 5 is that the Oilers will likely take a defenseman from the position before.
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Theres a pretty high chance that they will be in the top 3 spot and they could take Chychrun instead of Juolevi.
 
I don't have a huge problem with Juolevi at 5.

If, hypothetically, the Canucks have the 1st overall pick, and Arizona has 2 or 3, and they offer you that pick and Dylan Strome for Auston Matthews...would you take it?

I'd have a hard time saying no, I think.
 
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