2016 Draft Thread | 7

[Horrorshow]

God he's painful to listen to.

And yeah, pretty obvious they have a defender at #5 overall. And Matthews at #1.



Never seen anyone give away this much.

No idea why you would say any of this. If they end up at #5 or #6, he pretty much just gave up all the leverage he had to trade down to a team looking to trade up for Tkachuk or Dubois.

Easy to see why he gets bent over so badly in negotiations.

I really don't think he has any idea that what he says in public (or in probably in private) and how he presents his intentions to others has a correlation to negotiation leverage or market value. Always seems surprised that what he has is undervalued, and what he wants is overvalued.

And really, this puts even more pressure to draft unsustainably well. We know it's not likely we're acquiring other players through trade/UFA at a fair price.

 

[CanaFan]

No problem with picking Juolevi either. But I prefer Dubois personally as BPA. If we pick 5th or 6th then I'll totally be on board with Juolevi since I'd expect Dubois gone at 4 most likely.

Ditto. Dubois projects to be, at best, a player that we currently don't have in our system or on our team. Juolevi projects to be, at best, a better puck moving Tanev (probably less defensively inclined) or perhaps a higher end Hutton. Certainly a nice piece to have/add, but I see more value in a kid like Dubois if he's available.

 

[Icebreakers]

It is a mistake to pass on Dubois or Tkachuk for Juolevi. Leaf fans and Knight fans will be rejoicing if we pick him at 5.

 

[Icebreakers]

If people bash Tkachuk for not being able to carry a line or team , what about Juolevi who has been playing with the most stacked lines and teams for the past year? I like Juolevi as a player i just dont see him as a fit for Vancouver. What are we going to do with this guy? We need goal scoring and a #1D. I dont see Juolevi's ceiling to be even a #1D. Top pairing maybe. If Canucks take Juolevi at 5, our plan better be finishing in the top 5 picks for the next 2 years.

 

[fancouver]

It is a mistake to pass on Dubois or Tkachuk for Juolevi. Leaf fans and Knight fans will be rejoicing if we pick him at 5.

Agreed, I don't think Juolevi should be in the top 6 and definitely not ahead of Tkachuk and Dubois.

 

[Laterade]

Inflated? Sure

A product of? No chance


You can't stick a plug with skilled players and get nearly 2PPG in your draft year.

Tkachuk is a good player. 107 pts in 57 games good? Probably not. But he'd still be a top 5 candidate if he had 85 pts in 57 games based on his size and skill set. Or even 75, which is all Nylander had.

Playing with elite players =/= terrible player.

Dane Fox played with McDavid...

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Daily sim result:
1.Edmonton
2.Vamcouver
3.Montreal
Oh man, just imagine the comedy it would cause in Toronto

 

[fancouver]

Dane Fox played with McDavid...

That's pretty different considering he was 3-4 years older than McDavid.

 

[Icebreakers]

Dane Fox played with McDavid...

Fox actually didnt play a lot with McDavid, he was mostly on a line with Gaunce and Brown.

Not to mention Fox was an OA and Tkachuk is a draft eligible..

 

[MS]

He didn't mention which forward he would take before a defenceman so I don't know how you can say he lost all leverage. It's hilarious how everything Benning does or says is somehow turned into a negative.

Teams don't give away information like this and there's a reason they don't.

He's continually trying to play poker while holding his cards backwards for everyone to see.

 

[fancouver]

The more I watch Auston Matthews, the more I think he is the best player in this draft.

Why is he better than Laine? 2 way game.

That's is going to make him a better NHLer and a top line guy like Kopitar for years to come. His transition will be a lot more smooth. Laine may be more skilled, in the sense, like Sam Gagner, a lot fancier and more "Wow" moments. Like if we're playing scrimmage hockey, Laine is the guy you want. But in terms of the everyday grind of the NHL, Auston Matthews will be the better NHLer.

And not to mention, Auston's wrist shot is insanely fast and accurate. It looks better than 90% of the NHLers today.

C'mon 1st overall......

 

[Archangel]

Daily sim result:
1.Edmonton
2.Vamcouver
3.Montreal
Oh man, just imagine the comedy it would cause in Toronto

Let be honest as much as we do not want the Oilers to win the lotto, we want the leafs to win it even less

 

[CanaFan]

Dane Fox played with McDavid...

He was also 20.

Tkachuk turned 18 in December.


*Edit: And even with FAR superior numbers to Tkachuk, Fox was still considered a long-shot to play in the NHL. That's because stats alone don't tell you if a player is good or not. Which is why people need to stop looking at Tkachuk and assuming it is only his numbers that have him regarded as a top 5 pick. Because even if they are inflated - which is fine because no one else is really even close to him anyway - they don't take away the underlying skill set that scouts like and project so well to the NHL.

 

[duplo]

Hey guys,

I know how much you LOVE unsolicited rumours, but everything Benning said in that interview reaffirmed what my friend told me. Take it or leave it, but my friend is a reputable source who works in the industry. If you look at my post history, I've never put anything out there like this and I generally try to avoid attention.

Here's the deets I was given yesterday:

- Benning and the gang are all about drafting a centre or a d-man. They don't care about wingers at all.

- That being said, the big three is the big three. They won't hesitate to draft any of those three if they're lucky enough to. Here's the thing though. There's an outside chance they'd take Puljujärvi over Laine, but it's doubtful. The reason is they could try and convert Pulju as a centre.

- It's the same reason they definitively like Dubois at the 4 spot. They'd want to develop him as a centre.

- What's SUPER NOT COOL is that after that, they're all about a d-man. Juolevi is their guy right now, followed by Sergachev. He said he's 90% sure they'd take Juolevi at 6, with a strong chance of reaching even further and taking him if they draft at 5. I hope he's wrong, but as of now they're saying that's where they're leaning.

 

[CanaFan]

Hey guys,

I know how much you LOVE unsolicited rumours, but everything Benning said in that interview reaffirmed what my friend told me. Take it or leave it, but my friend is a reputable source who works in the industry. If you look at my post history, I've never put anything out there like this and I generally try to avoid attention.

Here's the deets I was given yesterday:

- Benning and the gang are all about drafting a centre or a d-man. They don't care about wingers at all.

- That being said, the big three is the big three. They won't hesitate to draft any of those three if they're lucky enough to. Here's the thing though. There's an outside chance they'd take Puljujärvi over Laine, but it's doubtful. The reason is they could try and convert Pulju as a centre.

- It's the same reason they definitively like Dubois at the 4 spot. They'd want to develop him as a centre.

- What's SUPER NOT COOL is that after that, they're all about a d-man. Juolevi is their guy right now, followed by Sergachev. He said he's 90% sure they'd take Juolevi at 6, with a strong chance of reaching even further and taking him if they draft at 5. I hope he's wrong, but as of now they're saying that's where they're leaning.

Bolded makes me happy.

Blue isn't great news but I don't really mind either.

Red makes me sad.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

Hey guys,

I know how much you LOVE unsolicited rumours, but everything Benning said in that interview reaffirmed what my friend told me. Take it or leave it, but my friend is a reputable source who works in the industry. If you look at my post history, I've never put anything out there like this and I generally try to avoid attention.

Here's the deets I was given yesterday:

- Benning and the gang are all about drafting a centre or a d-man. They don't care about wingers at all.

- That being said, the big three is the big three. They won't hesitate to draft any of those three if they're lucky enough to. Here's the thing though. There's an outside chance they'd take Puljujärvi over Laine, but it's doubtful. The reason is they could try and convert Pulju as a centre.

- It's the same reason they definitively like Dubois at the 4 spot. They'd want to develop him as a centre.

- What's SUPER NOT COOL is that after that, they're all about a d-man. Juolevi is their guy right now, followed by Sergachev. He said he's 90% sure they'd take Juolevi at 6, with a strong chance of reaching even further and taking him if they draft at 5. I hope he's wrong, but as of now they're saying that's where they're leaning.

I know this poster irl and I can vouch for the quality of his sources btw

 

[GetFocht]

I'm all for drafting Pulju at #2, his skating mixed with skill is very rare. If they can convert him to a C, then you have a big RH center which makes him even more coveted.

 

[PrinceOfPucks]

LOl at posters who say they don't see the value in drafting Juolevi.

Juolevi has ICE-Q that is through the roof, elite first pass, PP-QB and Elite skating. He isn't physical but he makes up for it w. Positioning and smarts. This is the top pairing D man who you can never hit on a forecheck, or have considerable zone time against because he moves the puck out of his zone so fast.

Juolevi is very Drew Doughtgy like without the filthy hands.

 

[Trelane]

/\/\ Only these guys can be had in the 2nd just about every year, but I'd wager good coin that we won't unearth an elite forward past the 1st for a long, long time.


"If we pick 5 or 6, you know, we'll look to take a defenceman." -JB

So there it is, assuming Juolevi is the D in question, the only thing left to determine is the identity of the forward at #4. Figured it was given it would be Tkachuk, based JB's comments and the alleged owner sentiment, but the attempt to convert Dubois to a full time centre post Hank makes sense too.

Not pleased. Would not look to D until 6 at the earliest and it would be the other guy. Praying we draft in to top 4 or move down, acquire a 2nd and get a D, but that very seldom happens with 1st round picks so early.

 

[PrinceOfPucks]

It's 100% clear what the Canucks are going to do.

Picks 1-2-3- are obvious. Mathews or 2 Finish Forwards.

Pick 4- Dubois

Pick 5- Dubois if he isn't taken. If he is then Juolevi.

Pick 6 - Dubois - Juolevi if they aren't taken , if they are they will trade down 5-7 spots and get assets and still have a chance at Sergachev- Bean- Chychrun- Fabrro- Mcavoy

 

[KDizzle]

This is why I desperately want in the top 3. We save ourselves from Benning's overrating of players.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

F this noise they better draft top 3.

 

[thecupismine]

Teams don't give away information like this and there's a reason they don't.

He's continually trying to play poker while holding his cards backwards for everyone to see.

Yup, its just mind-numbing how dumb he is with the media. He doesn't seem to realize that information asymmetry can be used to your advantage in negotiations, which is just unbelievable.

 

[fancouver]

LOl at posters who say they don't see the value in drafting Juolevi.

Juolevi has ICE-Q that is through the roof, elite first pass, PP-QB and Elite skating. He isn't physical but he makes up for it w. Positioning and smarts. This is the top pairing D man who you can never hit on a forecheck, or have considerable zone time against because he moves the puck out of his zone so fast.

Juolevi is very Drew Doughtgy like without the filthy hands.

Nobody is saying he sucks, and some don't mind him at 6th.

But what you described is a guy who could be elsewhere outside the top 10. And for the Canucks, that's not something they should do. You're describing Hamhuis really. And all Canuck fans love him, but at 6th, we want something like Shea Weber if it's a defenceman and this year, there isn't a Weber-projected defenceman.

 

[Horrorshow]

Hey guys,

I know how much you LOVE unsolicited rumours, but everything Benning said in that interview reaffirmed what my friend told me. Take it or leave it, but my friend is a reputable source who works in the industry. If you look at my post history, I've never put anything out there like this and I generally try to avoid attention.

Here's the deets I was given yesterday:

- Benning and the gang are all about drafting a centre or a d-man. They don't care about wingers at all.

- That being said, the big three is the big three. They won't hesitate to draft any of those three if they're lucky enough to. Here's the thing though. There's an outside chance they'd take Puljujärvi over Laine, but it's doubtful. The reason is they could try and convert Pulju as a centre.

- It's the same reason they definitively like Dubois at the 4 spot. They'd want to develop him as a centre.

- What's SUPER NOT COOL is that after that, they're all about a d-man. Juolevi is their guy right now, followed by Sergachev. He said he's 90% sure they'd take Juolevi at 6, with a strong chance of reaching even further and taking him if they draft at 5. I hope he's wrong, but as of now they're saying that's where they're leaning.

That's great to hear. There was that other source who said a Canucks scout raved about Tkachuk, but that was just one scout. I'm glad they (most likely) have Dubois ranked higher.

Again, I'm personally very on board with Juolevi, so that last bit about taking him at 5 doesn't bother me much if they're not passing on Dubois.