2016 Draft Thread | 7

[fancouver]

So Juolevi is basically Hamhuis.

A guy who does everything above average, but isn't flashy. Smart passes to teammates, is a great defence partner and makes any D look good. Limited offense, but high hockey IQ.

I don't know, even if we have the 6th overall, I feel like we should take a run at Nylander instead. A highly skilled player.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading down if we have the 6th and getting 2 assets back, but if we have the 5th, I'm gunning for Tkachuk.

 

[polarbearcub]

Super interesting that Chych has fallen so much like so much

I really regret voting him at 5 on so many polls i would take it back i think is around 14 now

Also super intense with Laine getting closer to Matthews almost adds another stress for all of us when we win the draft lottery of who to take and then the whole wondering if was the right choice for all summer next season and years after

Yikes thats a lot of stress

Not for me. For me its Mathews all day . Sedin Mathews horvat sutter for the next few years could make us a contender.

 

[coastal_nuck]

Not for me. For me its Mathews all day . Sedin Mathews horvat sutter for the next few years could make us a contender.

Next few years, Sedin won't be what he is today. Gotta factor in age at some point. Realistically, by the time Matthews hits his stride, Sedin will be retired. But can't complain if we get Matthews at all Horvat as a 2C is not bad as long as he keeps developing.

 

[Icebreakers]

Yesss. Finally McLeod drops. Don't understand how people have him top 8 or 10 still.

 

[polarbearcub]

Next few years, Sedin won't be what he is today. Gotta factor in age at some point. Realistically, by the time Matthews hits his stride, Sedin will be retired. But can't complain if we get Matthews at all Horvat as a 2C is not bad as long as he keeps developing.

My point is if we have hank as our third line centre we will be in great shape especially ifbthey can still pot 40-50 points

 

[Cupless44]

To me no question you take Matthews at #1. Laine is an exciting player, but to get a big #1 center that you build the top line around for 10-15 years is just way too valuable. He is not McDavid but i think will be pretty close to what Eichel brings to a team.

 

[Desai87]

To me no question you take Matthews at #1. Laine is an exciting player, but to get a big #1 center that you build the top line around for 10-15 years is just way too valuable. He is not McDavid but i think will be pretty close to what Eichel brings to a team.

Yup for a team like Canucks, Matthews should be easy pick but say for a team like Oilers. They might want Laine as they already have top 2 Cs.

 

[Cupless44]

Yup for a team like Canucks, Matthews should be easy pick but say for a team like Oilers. They might want Laine as they already have top 2 Cs.

Good point. The Oilers might be a team where Laine makes more sense. I think most teams take the #1 center though.

 

[M2Beezy]

To me no question you take Matthews at #1. Laine is an exciting player, but to get a big #1 center that you build the top line around for 10-15 years is just way too valuable. He is not McDavid but i think will be pretty close to what Eichel brings to a team.

Great points and i hope benning agrees and yeah i think Matthews is obvi below Mcdavid but is better then Jeichel

 

[Icebreakers]

Marner has 35 points in 13 games....

Tkachuk has 31 points in 13 games

Dvorak has 23 points in 13 games.

I've never seen a more dominant line in the playoffs before. Marner is putting up McDavid numbers.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Marner has 35 points in 13 games....

Tkachuk has 31 points in 13 games

Dvorak has 23 points in 13 games.

I've never seen a more dominant line in the playoffs before. Marner is putting up McDavid numbers.

Based on those numbers, it's hard to say that Tkachuk is just a passenger on that line. He looks to be a key guy.

 

[HankNDank]

Good point. The Oilers might be a team where Laine makes more sense. I think most teams take the #1 center though.

I think the Sabers are another team that may have Laine higher on their draft rankings. With Eichel, O'Reilly, and Reinhart on the depth chart already, having a impact winger may be a greater organizational need. Edm and Buf combine for 19.5% odds at winning the first pick. Not sure how that would translate to our total odds into us getting Matthews (11.5% of winning first pick plus odds of Edm or Buf getting 1st pick) but it is higher than 11.5% anyways.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Canucks need a franchise centre.

Matthews is that.

As much as I love Laine you take Matthews if selecting #1.

If not, the Canucks will still be looking for that franchise centre unless they luck out and get Patrick next season.

 

[GetFocht]

Tkachuk is absolutely not a passenger player, look at this production at different levels (U18s, U20s, OHL + playoffs), he has dominated. I expect him to play one more season in the OHL and then have a Max Domi rookie season in the NHL.

 

[biturbo19]

Totally wild the way opinions diverge on the top defencemen there. Interesting stuff. Chychrun especially seems to be highly polarizing.

Funny how the rankings for Chychrun and Juolevi respectively kind of reflect their games on the ice. Juolevi wins the top spot with a steady high average, just doing reasonably well (Top-10) on pretty much every list (and reasonably well at everything on the ice) - whereas Chychrun has the much more stark peaks and valleys to his rankings, and in his game on the ice.

Chychrun out of the Top-10 on more than half of the lists though...hmmm...

I can see where all these mixed results come from. Juolevi vs Chychrun is definitely something i'm still grappling with.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Next few years, Sedin won't be what he is today. Gotta factor in age at some point. Realistically, by the time Matthews hits his stride, Sedin will be retired. But can't complain if we get Matthews at all Horvat as a 2C is not bad as long as he keeps developing.

Matthews-Horvat could very easily be H-Sedin-Kesler for 10+ years. (Ok, perhaps "very easily" is not the right term to use here but you guys know what I'm trying to say).

Having said that, the idea of drafting Laine and then throwing the kitchen sink at Stamkos (and landing him), also sounds extremely appealing. Opening night on October 2017 could very easily see Laine-Stamkos-Boeser as your 1st line, followed by the Twins and whoever on your 2nd.

The point I'm trying to make here is this: Fantasies aside, I'd cream my pants with either Matthews or Laine. Ditto for Puljiujarvi or Dubois (slightly less cream, but cream definitely present).

 

[ahmon]

Totally wild the way opinions diverge on the top defencemen there. Interesting stuff. Chychrun especially seems to be highly polarizing.

Funny how the rankings for Chychrun and Juolevi respectively kind of reflect their games on the ice. Juolevi wins the top spot with a steady high average, just doing reasonably well (Top-10) on pretty much every list (and reasonably well at everything on the ice) - whereas Chychrun has the much more stark peaks and valleys to his rankings, and in his game on the ice.

Chychrun out of the Top-10 on more than half of the lists though...hmmm...

I can see where all these mixed results come from. Juolevi vs Chychrun is definitely something i'm still grappling with.

It's the old toolsy dman (Chrychrun) against the high IQ d (Juolevi).

D is hard to project, so it can go either way in regards to how they turn out, but I always side with the one with the highest hockey sense -when in doubt. And that's Juolevi.

Still, as I've maintained throughout this thread, I believe this draft is forward heavy at the top. I wouldn't draft a D in the top 6. And I think that's what the consensus of scouts are slowly gravitating to as well.

If we miss out on the Big 3, I'll be happy with either Tkachuk, Keller, Dubois, Jost.

 

[Hansen]

I get the feeling that if Chychrun is taken top 6 he will be considered an underachiever for his career whereas if he falls near 10 he would be considered the steal of the draft.

Probably tops out as a good-great top 4 dman who is incredibly toolsy but has his Kasual moments

 

[Canucks LB]

All aboard the tkachuk hype bandwagon

 

[M2Beezy]

Matthews-Horvat could very easily be H-Sedin-Kesler for 10+ years. (Ok, perhaps "very easily" is not the right term to use here but you guys know what I'm trying to say).

Having said that, the idea of drafting Laine and then throwing the kitchen sink at Stamkos (and landing him), also sounds extremely appealing. Opening night on October 2017 could very easily see Laine-Stamkos-Boeser as your 1st line, followed by the Twins and whoever on your 2nd.

The point I'm trying to make here is this: Fantasies aside, I'd cream my pants with either Matthews or Laine. Ditto for Puljiujarvi or Dubois (slightly less cream, but cream definitely present).

Your forgeting Mccann who in 2017-18 or year after will be are 2C or A top 6 wing. Could look like this

Mccann Matthews Boeser
Baertchi Horvat Virtanen
Sedin Sedin Hansen
Etem Gaunce Plug

 

[Icebreakers]

All aboard the tkachuk hype bandwagon

Dubois is still ahead imo.

Marner is absolutely magical though. Hes dominating like no other this playoffs and he is the true driver of that line. Dvorak is also the best finisher on that line. Tkachuk is the guy who knows when to be at the dirty spots for tap in goals and is excellent at puck retrieval. Hes locked in the 5th spot though for sure.


I also find it funny that almost every single London Knights fan who is also a fan of the Leafs wants a rival to draft Juolevi because they all think hes the 3rd best dman in the draft and he doesnt have much upside.

 

[Quinning]

Dubois and Tkachuk should be set in stone at and 5 respectively. The prospect of likely leaving the draft with one of them is tantalizing.

Anything else is just gravy.

 

[ahmon]

Dubois is still ahead imo.

Marner is absolutely magical though. Hes dominating like no other this playoffs and he is the true driver of that line. Dvorak is also the best finisher on that line. Tkachuk is the guy who knows when to be at the dirty spots for tap in goals and is excellent at puck retrieval. Hes locked in the 5th spot though for sure.

I had Marner ahead of Strome last year. He is magical.

He is like Barkov to me (no I'm not saying Marner plays like Barkov), a can't miss prospect.

If we don't get 1st or 2nd, I gladly trade our pick to Toronto for Mitch Marner.

If not, we take a poor man's Marner in Keller this year.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Your forgeting Mccann who in 2017-18 or year after will be are 2C or A top 6 wing. Could look like this

Mccann Matthews Boeser
Baertchi Horvat Virtanen
Sedin Sedin Hansen
Etem Gaunce Plug

I didn't forget McCann.......he just wasn't relevant to my post.

But aside from that, yes, I agree with you. McCann could definitely be a key cog at LW if he develops and the Canucks elect to use him in that capacity.

 

[Donuts]

if van gets 1st and arizone 3rd, it will be overpayment if canucks trade that pick and wont budge for a fair trade.

ie:

domi + strome + 3rd overall for matthews + mccann at most.

canucks future top 6:
laine - strome - boeser
domi - horvat - virtanen