2016 Draft Thread | 7

[Black Noise]

Gotta remember Jordan Schroeder though... Highest junior scorer ever for the US... Yet he turned out to be nothing but a journeyman at best. I love DeBrincat, but I don't think you risk trading up for him... If he's there, great... Take a chance, but don't spend assets to do so.

Schroeder had good numbers, but nothing compares him to the numbers DeBrincat put up as a 16 and 17 year old.

Only 2 players have put up 50 goals in their Draft -1 season in the past 15 years.

John Tavares and Alex DeBrincat.

Only 5 players have put up 50 goals in their Draft season in the past 15 years.

Jeff Skinner, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat.

I think the kid will be good.

 

[docbenton]

Juolevi isn't just above average at everything, he's an A+ passer. Backhand sauce, stretch passes, little plays to his partner behind the net, he excels at them all. Passing the puck is what defensemen are doing most of the time and he does it as well as anyone. His shot is pretty good as well, hard one-timer and wrister. He's very deceptive, and because of that he can make exciting plays when the opposition doesn't expect it. He's not like an Erik Karlsson but I find him very fun to watch personally. Seems to do something good with the puck every time he has it.

Bottom line is he projects as a top pairing defensemen. Good defensemen are so valuable, I just don't see any of the forwards past 5 being worth what he is. He's also a guy who can play sooner rather than later because of how advanced and polished his game is.

 

[donut]

If the Canucks draft Bean, I think WTG will be the happiest person on this board

 

[bossram]

Juolevi isn't just above average at everything, he's an A+ passer. Backhand sauce, stretch passes, little plays to his partner behind the net, he excels at them all. Passing the puck is what defensemen are doing most of the time and he does it as well as anyone. His shot is pretty good as well, hard one-timer and wrister. He's very deceptive, and because of that he can make exciting plays when the opposition doesn't expect it. He's not like an Erik Karlsson but I find him very fun to watch personally. Seems to do something good with the puck every time he has it.

Bottom line is he projects as a top pairing defensemen. Good defensemen are so valuable, I just don't see any of the forwards past 5 being worth what he is. He's also a guy who can play sooner rather than later because of how advanced and polished his game is.

Yah. He's just so quiet about his game, but he can do literally anything well. Can only describe him as smooth.

Stylistically he looks like a little more dynamic Dan Hamhuis.

 

[GPNuck]

Schroeder had good numbers, but nothing compares him to the numbers DeBrincat put up as a 16 and 17 year old.

Only 2 players have put up 50 goals in their Draft -1 season in the past 15 years.

John Tavares and Alex DeBrincat.

Only 5 players have put up 50 goals in their Draft season in the past 15 years.

Jeff Skinner, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat.

I think the kid will be good.

Crosby doesn't count and Lemieux.. 84 goals in his draft -1 year

 

[WTG]

If the Canucks draft Bean, I think WTG will be the happiest person on this board

You know it


I even heard that they might decide to trade down. Even a bigger hint of taking Bean.

 

[donut]

You know it


I even heard that they might decide to trade down. Even a bigger hint of taking Bean.

Since you have him 4th/the best defender, you probably posted it somewhere but.... who's the ceiling comparison in your mind and who's the floor? Bean is 3rd on my list for defenders as I feel there's a very high risk factor.

 

[Icebreakers]

If we end this season with Bean only it will be an utter failure lol.

 

[WTG]

Since you have him 4th/the best defender, you probably posted it somewhere but.... who's the ceiling comparison in your mind and who's the floor? Bean is 3rd on my list for defenders as I feel there's a very high risk factor.

Projection is Erhroff (#3 defensemen)

Ceiling Norris defensemen



Thing with Bean that I like so much is that he is so god damn smart. If there is something that we as canucks need to understand about drafting players is drafting for smarts works out. Look at the Sedins. Some of the smartest players ever to play. It's the one thing I feel transfers over the best when looking at a young player.

Tanev would have never stepped a foot in the NHL if it wasn't for his smarts. But now he is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league. Bean is like Tanev, but instead of understanding the defensive zone he is the master of the offensive zone. The way he reads the game is incredible. Very rarely do defensemen wow you with their smarts like Bean does. The ones that do usually are the ones getting Norris votes.

Bean is very raw, in the sense that he doesn't really have a fully developed body. Which means there is room to grow. Unlike players like Chychrun who have very mature bodys they really do not have much to grow and basically what you see is what you get. For those reasons I really don't see how people can rate Juolevi higher then Bean. Unless you want to play it save. I really don't get it.

The knocks on Bean are that he's "bad defensively". But really it's very overblown. Hutton is a good comparable to Beans defensive game. If Hutton doesn't have the ability to pass/skate the puck up the ice as well as he does he'd be considered to have a very bad defensive game. But nobody critiques Hutton because half of playing defense is being able to move the puck out of the zone. Hutton does that fine and so does Bean. I really have no problem with Bean's defensive game.

/Endrant #TeamMrBean

 

[clunk]

Schroeder had good numbers, but nothing compares him to the numbers DeBrincat put up as a 16 and 17 year old.

Only 2 players have put up 50 goals in their Draft -1 season in the past 15 years.

John Tavares and Alex DeBrincat.

Only 5 players have put up 50 goals in their Draft season in the past 15 years.

Jeff Skinner, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat.

I think the kid will be good.

Yeah but still. Junior numbers are junior numbers. He certainly looks damn promising... Next Johnny Hockey? I would love to pick him up, but I still wouldn't trade up for him... He IS a risk, regardless. Either him, Benson, Johansen, or any fallers from the 1st round and I will be very happy with our 2nd round pick.

 

[TheBleedingEdge]

Juolevi isn't just above average at everything, he's an A+ passer. Backhand sauce, stretch passes, little plays to his partner behind the net, he excels at them all. Passing the puck is what defensemen are doing most of the time and he does it as well as anyone. His shot is pretty good as well, hard one-timer and wrister. He's very deceptive, and because of that he can make exciting plays when the opposition doesn't expect it. He's not like an Erik Karlsson but I find him very fun to watch personally. Seems to do something good with the puck every time he has it.

Bottom line is he projects as a top pairing defensemen. Good defensemen are so valuable, I just don't see any of the forwards past 5 being worth what he is. He's also a guy who can play sooner rather than later because of how advanced and polished his game is.

I am warming to the idea of taking him at 6.

1 Matthews
2 Laine
3 Pullllljuuujaarrrviii
4 Dubois
5 Tkachuk
6 Juolevi

33 Some D-man unless crazy things happen.

Although in theory trading back for another pick at 6 doesnt seem like such a bad idea, I am more worried about actually getting any value due to the managment we have.

Maybe its just best to use the pick, however the chips may fall.

 

[ginner classic]

I am warming to the idea of taking him at 6.

1 Matthews
2 Laine
3 Pullllljuuujaarrrviii
4 Dubois
5 Tkachuk
6 Juolevi

33 Some D-man unless crazy things happen.

Although in theory trading back for another pick at 6 doesnt seem like such a bad idea, I am more worried about actually getting any value due to the managment we have.

Maybe its just best to use the pick, however the chips may fall.

If we traded back from 5 even to Montreals pick we'd still be guaranteed two of Chychrun Bean Sergachev Juolevi, Fabbro, Brown and Nylander would be available. Juulsen and a 1st for our first? Bean and Juulsen for Dubois? Not enough?

 

[TheBleedingEdge]

If we traded back from 5 even to Montreals pick we'd still be guaranteed two of Chychrun Bean Sergachev Juolevi, Fabbro, Brown and Nylander would be available. Juulsen and a 1st for our first? Bean and Juulsen for Dubois? Not enough?

Not quite enough, heres why.

I feel like we really need a #1 centerman, yes even more than D.
This is assuming 4 or 5 Dubois is available, IMO we need the size down the middle.

I also believe Juolevi will be the transitional dman that if we go that route will be invaluble, he can skate well and move the puck up the ice, calm under pressure with good vision. A tempo setter to put a label on it.

Id use the 33rd on a bigger bodied aggressive D man.

Again IMO there is much more gamble on leaning on the trade route, I personally like to gamble but I dont believe the Canucks can risk such a team altering pick.

Of course I could be wrong


PS: Juulsen didnt have a great year of development by the looks of things.

 

[thefeebster]

Juolevi isn't just above average at everything, he's an A+ passer. Backhand sauce, stretch passes, little plays to his partner behind the net, he excels at them all. Passing the puck is what defensemen are doing most of the time and he does it as well as anyone. His shot is pretty good as well, hard one-timer and wrister. He's very deceptive, and because of that he can make exciting plays when the opposition doesn't expect it. He's not like an Erik Karlsson but I find him very fun to watch personally. Seems to do something good with the puck every time he has it.

Bottom line is he projects as a top pairing defensemen. Good defensemen are so valuable, I just don't see any of the forwards past 5 being worth what he is. He's also a guy who can play sooner rather than later because of how advanced and polished his game is.

I have never seen Juolevi use a backhand sauce pass, that's even rare for forwards. Even if he has, I don't think that's a frequent aspect of his passing arsenal. Juolevi is a good passer, but I don't think his shot is anything to write about. It's average to slightly above average but still arguably the weakest shot if we are ranking the top 5-6 defenders' shot.

I don't know if I'd say he is exciting or fun. He is smart and efficient, minimal flash or excitement.

I'd say it's arguable what he projects as. I see a safe bet for a top 4 defender, more of a 3/4 defender, so I'd hesitate with that top pairing label.

Do you (all fans of juolevi) not find it a bit concerning or interesting that a few Knights' fans have come forward with dissenting opinions, with shock that he is ranked as the top defender by some or that he is ranked in the top 10? Many regular OHL watchers say the same. Those who have watched him the most and regularly don't see much special about him at the OHL level. That would make me wonder.

 

[StIllmatic]

Laine is definitely my number 1 now. What he did in the FEL playoffs as a 17/18 year old is unheard of. He has improved significantly throughout this season and the sky is the limit for him. So gifted.

I'll be very upset if we select Chychrun at #5. If we're at #5 and Dubois is available, you go with Dubois. Period. I actually have Dubois listed at #4 on my personal prospect list.

1) Matthews
1a) Laine
3) Puljiujarvi
4) Dubois

I actually think Laine is the Top prospect (slightly better than Matthews in my opinion), but I'd personally select Matthews over Laine due to the position that Matthews plays (and due to his center position, would be more likely to elevate linemates as opposed to Laine).

I'm not the biggest fan of Tkatchuk, Chychrun, Juolevi, or anyone else ranked below #4. If we finish at #5/#6 and my "Big 4" are gone, I consider moving the pick to Anaheim for Sami Vatanen.

That is just a horrible idea.

 

[TheBleedingEdge]

I have never seen Juolevi use a backhand sauce pass, that's even rare for forwards. Even if he has, I don't think that's a frequent aspect of his passing arsenal. Juolevi is a good passer, but I don't think his shot is anything to write about. It's average to slightly above average but still arguably the weakest shot if we are ranking the top 5-6 defenders' shot.

I don't know if I'd say he is exciting or fun. He is smart and efficient, minimal flash or excitement.

I'd say it's arguable what he projects as. I see a safe bet for a top 4 defender, more of a 3/4 defender, so I'd hesitate with that top pairing label.

Do you (all fans of juolevi) not find it a bit concerning or interesting that a few Knights' fans have come forward with dissenting opinions, with shock that he is ranked as the top defender by some or that he is ranked in the top 10? Many regular OHL watchers say the same. Those who have watched him the most and regularly don't see much special about him at the OHL level. That would make me wonder.

Feebs who do you rate/prefer if we were to pick a Dman in the 6 spot?

 

[thefeebster]

Feebs who do you rate/prefer if we were to pick a Dman in the 6 spot?

None. I really think we should focus on a forward even if we get knocked down to #6, D isn't really a consideration for me at that pick.

 

[donut]

Projection is Erhroff (#3 defensemen)

Ceiling Norris defensemen



Thing with Bean that I like so much is that he is so god damn smart. If there is something that we as canucks need to understand about drafting players is drafting for smarts works out. Look at the Sedins. Some of the smartest players ever to play. It's the one thing I feel transfers over the best when looking at a young player.

Tanev would have never stepped a foot in the NHL if it wasn't for his smarts. But now he is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league. Bean is like Tanev, but instead of understanding the defensive zone he is the master of the offensive zone. The way he reads the game is incredible. Very rarely do defensemen wow you with their smarts like Bean does. The ones that do usually are the ones getting Norris votes.

Bean is very raw, in the sense that he doesn't really have a fully developed body. Which means there is room to grow. Unlike players like Chychrun who have very mature bodys they really do not have much to grow and basically what you see is what you get. For those reasons I really don't see how people can rate Juolevi higher then Bean. Unless you want to play it save. I really don't get it.

The knocks on Bean are that he's "bad defensively". But really it's very overblown. Hutton is a good comparable to Beans defensive game. If Hutton doesn't have the ability to pass/skate the puck up the ice as well as he does he'd be considered to have a very bad defensive game. But nobody critiques Hutton because half of playing defense is being able to move the puck out of the zone. Hutton does that fine and so does Bean. I really have no problem with Bean's defensive game.

/Endrant #TeamMrBean

Nice write-up.

Going to be very interesting how the draft falls into place. Personally, I doubt we'll pick him but I hope someone I don't hate takes him

My top 3 defenders is a wash right now between Juolevi/Sergachev/Bean with Chychrun/Fabbro/McAvoy very close behind.

At the end of the day, let's hope we get a top 3 and continue from there!

 

[Addison Rae]

Yeah, I'd take Alex Debrincat at 33rd rather easily if he was still there.

Still not sure why Chychrun is getting so underrated, personally I see him as better than Juolevi with relative ease.

 

[Verviticus]

leaving this draft with a top 5 forward and debrincat would be a complete steal

 

[particularsolution]

Bob Mckenzie's updated Top 15 is now up on the TSN website. Laine for 1st overall gaining some steam.

At face value, nothing has changed from TSN's Mid-Season NHL draft rankings. Matthews is still No. 1; Laine is still No. 2.

But when 10 NHL scouts were surveyed by TSN in late January/early February, all 10 had Matthews at No. 1. This time, in a survey of the same 10 scouts – conducted in the run-up to Saturday's NHL draft lottery – two of the 10 said Laine is now No. 1 on their team's lists. Others suggested they had to think long and hard about their decision to keep Matthews at No. 1.

Also interesting to see Chychrun dropping all the way to 9th, behind both Juolevi and Sergachev.

http://www.tsn.ca/laine-closes-gap-on-matthews-atop-tsn-draft-rankings-1.478128

 

[thefeebster]

Some interesting posts from the prospects forum:

Some numbers from the article

- 8 of 10 scouts had Matthews #1
- 2 of 10 scouts had Laine #1
- 7 of 10 scouts had Laine # 2
- 1 of 10 scouts had Laine #3
- 1 of 10 scouts had Pulju #2
- 9 of 10 scouts had Pulju #3
- None of Matthews, Laine, or Pulju were out of the top 3 on any scout's list
- 2 of 10 scouts had a d-man in the top 5 (including 1 who had Chychrun 4th)
- 2 other of the 10 scouts had a d-man in the top 6
- 1 scout had Chychrun 4th but only 4 of 10 scouts had him in their top 10. 6 had him 11 or lower
- The 4 scouts who had Chychrun in the top 10 viewed him as the best d-man in the draft
- 1 scout had Juolevi 5th. 9 of 10 scouts had him in their top 10.
- 2 scouts think Juolevi is the best d-man in the draft
- 1 scout had Sergachev 6th. 7 of 10 scouts had him in their top 10. 2 scouts had him as best d-man in the draft.
- 1 scout had Bean as the best dman in the draft. 2 scouts had him in their top 10.
- Fabbro missed out on the top 15. However, 1 scout had him as best dman in the draft
- Keller had 5 top 10 votes
- Brown had 4 top 10 votes
- McLeod had 1 top 10 vote

Top D in the draft.

Chychrun - 4 scouts
Julovei - 2 scouts
Sergachev - 2 scout
Bean - 1 scout
Fabbro - 1 scout

 

[Phrasing]

Some interesting posts from the prospects forum:

Looks like they're not digging McLeod as much, but I have a sneaky feeling he may get the "Horvat" treatment i.e. one team really likes him and takes him much earlier. I don't think a top 10 finish for McLeod is out of the picture.

 

[ginner classic]

This is going ro be a wild first 20 picks depending on what happens with the lottery. Currently there are teams that need D where the forwards are ranked and vice versa.

 

[M2Beezy]

Super interesting that Chych has fallen so much like so much

I really regret voting him at 5 on so many polls i would take it back i think is around 14 now

Also super intense with Laine getting closer to Matthews almost adds another stress for all of us when we win the draft lottery of who to take and then the whole wondering if was the right choice for all summer next season and years after

Yikes thats a lot of stress