2016 Draft Talk II

[FireBird71]

Not the type of defenseman we need (most). Also think he goes more RD 3 or 4. Would be ok with him in the 4th, but the best defenseman we draft this year needs to be better than Luce. (See the central scouting rankings I posted
Sign me up. That's stocking the back end how we need to.

Luce is exactly the type of defenseman they need after some time at Michigan...don't care where they draft him

 

[Frk It]

Luce is exactly the type of defenseman they need after some time at Michigan...don't care where they draft him

Seems like a stay at home type. Think he has offensive upside?

 

[bgkennedy19]

http://www.dobberprospects.com/prospects-rambling-mock-draft-first-round-rolls-on-may-27/

this guy sounds promising...sorry if its a repost

 

[HisNoodliness]

http://www.dobberprospects.com/prospects-rambling-mock-draft-first-round-rolls-on-may-27/

this guy sounds promising...sorry if its a repost

Rubstov is super talked about. He's essentially our agreed- upon forward option if we don't like any of the D available but personally I'd prefer all of McAvoy, Fabbro, and Bean to him. If those three all are gone there's probably a faller we should consider (please be Sergachev) or someone like Keller. But yeah I think Rubstov is a somewhat likely, safe first round pick for us.

 

[FireBird71]

Seems like a stay at home type. Think he has offensive upside?

May contribute some..but has high character and likes to play physical...only complaint I have is he can get best by faster forwards.That should get straightened out this fall in Ann Arbor..sounds like he'll get lots of playing time

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Rubstov is super talked about. He's essentially our agreed- upon forward option if we don't like any of the D available but personally I'd prefer all of McAvoy, Fabbro, and Bean to him. If those three all are gone there's probably a faller we should consider (please be Sergachev) or someone like Keller. But yeah I think Rubstov is a somewhat likely, safe first round pick for us.

What does that even mean?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

May contribute some..but has high character and likes to play physical...only complaint I have is he can get best by faster forwards.That should get straightened out this fall in Ann Arbor..sounds like he'll get lots of playing time

I wouldn't take Luce until the fourth or fifth round. I can think of four other NDTP defensemen I would take before him.

 

[HisNoodliness]

What does that even mean?

He's the forward that most wings fans agree will be available and that we like.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

He's the forward that most wings fans agree will be available and that we like.

So u want to take forward instead of dman? Greeeeeat.

 

[HisNoodliness]

So u want to take forward instead of dman? Greeeeeat.

No I absolutely don't but if we were to take a forward (the big 3 D are gone along with say Bean and Fabbro and Wings management doesn't like McAvoy or something like that) then he'd be the forward I'd take assuming that someone like Keller hadn't fallen.

 

[Dotter]

Holland will likely pick a kid nobody here is too familiar with and be pissed off about KH "wasting" a good draft pick. Then in a year everyone will be drooling over this kid and deem him "untouchable" in the trade threads.

Pretty much the same thing happens every year on here.

 

[TheRatPoisoner]

Holland will likely pick a kid nobody here is too familiar with and be pissed off about KH "wasting" a good draft pick. Then in a year everyone will be drooling over this kid and deem him "untouchable" in the trade threads.

Pretty much the same thing happens every year on here.

For as long as I've been around here (like 2 years?), that's half true i guess (as far as the first round goes, anyways).

Everyone thought the Larkin pick was kinda "meh," yeah, but he turned out to be a stud.

I seem to remember everyone loving the Svech pick at the time last year though.

Edit:

actually, just to clarify, I went back and looked at the Larkin thread when he was drafted: some loved it, some hated it, and for some it was indifference (a.k.a "meh"). Pretty mixed response. Nobody projected him being as good as he is right now so quickly, obviously. Seems like not even the Wings foresaw that though.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Holland will likely pick a kid nobody here is too familiar with and be pissed off about KH "wasting" a good draft pick. Then in a year everyone will be drooling over this kid and deem him "untouchable" in the trade threads.

Pretty much the same thing happens every year on here.

More than anything, I expect them to draft a stay at home type from college and talk a lot about how they like his upside. But he'll never develop an offensive game and we'll be back here next year.

For whatever reason, the Wings really like taking guys who are either two-way (but more defensive than anything) or stay at home types. They rarely roll the dice on an offensive guy. Which is really unfortunate, because that's what the league is all about right now.

 

[Frk It]

Holland will likely pick a kid nobody here is too familiar with and be pissed off about KH "wasting" a good draft pick. Then in a year everyone will be drooling over this kid and deem him "untouchable" in the trade threads.

Pretty much the same thing happens every year on here.

With your join date, I could kind of see that, but it's not really true.

It's an over-generalization based mostly on Dylan Larkin.

 

[Frk It]

More than anything, I expect them to draft a stay at home type from college and talk a lot about how they like his upside. But he'll never develop an offensive game and we'll be back here next year.

For whatever reason, the Wings really like taking guys who are either two-way (but more defensive than anything) or stay at home types. They rarely roll the dice on an offensive guy. Which is really unfortunate, because that's what the league is all about right now.

What stay at home types have they drafted in the first 2 rounds?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Whst stay at home types have they drafted in the first 2 rounds?

I didn't say the top two rounds. But here are some examples from all rounds in recent memory: Jensen, Ouellet, Backman, Nedomlel, Marchenko, McKee, de Haas, Bodin, Wheaton, McNulty, and probably Holway. That's essentially... all of them, spanning back to 2009. Worth noting that McKee and Bodin were total long shots, so I'm not sure that says much about their draft strategy at the time.

The only guys who could be considered offensive in that timeframe: Gleason Fournier, Almquist, Ben Marshall, Sproul, Saarijarvi. Of those guys, Marshall was a super long shot. Almquist was a long shot as well, but obviously turned out okay. Still, if they're waiting that long to draft those kind of players, it probably says something about their priorities.

I think it's pretty clear that the Wings have drafted a lot more defensive types than offensive types in the recent past. Whether they'll continue to do that, I don't know. After all, different people are heading up the draft, and they got Saarijarvi last year. Maybe that makes a difference. But in terms of drafting the type of defenseman that's effective in today's NHL game, the Wings probably get a C- or so. It's not just that their guys have busted or that they haven't used early enough picks on them, it's that the Wings aren't drafting for puck movement nearly often enough.

 

[Frk It]

I didn't say the top two rounds. But here are some examples from all rounds in recent memory: Jensen, Ouellet, Backman, Nedomlel, Marchenko, McKee, de Haas, Bodin, Wheaton, McNulty, and probably Holway. That's essentially... all of them, spanning back to 2009. Worth noting that McKee and Bodin were total long shots, so I'm not sure that says much about their draft strategy at the time.

The only guys who could be considered offensive in that timeframe: Gleason Fournier, Almquist, Ben Marshall, Sproul, Saarijarvi. Of those guys, Marshall was a super long shot. Almquist was a long shot as well, but obviously turned out okay. Still, if they're waiting that long to draft those kind of players, it probably says something about their priorities.

I think it's pretty clear that the Wings have drafted a lot more defensive types than offensive types in the recent past. Whether they'll continue to do that, I don't know. After all, different people are heading up the draft, and they got Saarijarvi last year. Maybe that makes a difference. But in terms of drafting the type of defenseman that's effective in today's NHL game, the Wings probably get a C- or so. It's not just that their guys have busted or that they haven't used early enough picks on them, it's that the Wings aren't drafting for puck movement nearly often enough.

Well, when you're not drafting defenseman in the first 2 rounds often, you're also not drafting offensive guys often. Goes hand in hand.

Ouellet had 43 pts in 67 gms in his draft year, and Jensen also put up good offensive numbers throughout college. Backman was not a defensive guy. McNulty was not a defense first guy. Bodin was a forward.

Most guys I can think of we took in first 2 rounds were offensive: Smith, Kindl, Sproul

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

He's the forward that most wings fans agree will be available and that we like.

I like Rubtsov and think that he is a reasonable use of our 1st-round pick. I am not, however, going to speak for anyone else. I would recommend that you do the same.

 

[Reddwit]

Holland will likely pick a kid nobody here is too familiar with and be pissed off about KH "wasting" a good draft pick. Then in a year everyone will be drooling over this kid and deem him "untouchable" in the trade threads.

Pretty much the same thing happens every year on here.

Just last year Svechnikov was taken, and while I don't feel like going back and looking through the threads to see what the response was, I don't see anyone really drooling over Svech right now. And with the way he's thrown into a lot of trade proposals, I don't think many consider him untouchable. So your projection seems pretty much based on Larkin and nothing else.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I like Rubtsov and think that he is a reasonable use of our 1st-round pick. I am not, however, going to speak for anyone else. I would recommend that you do the same.

He wasn't? Outside of noticing that Rubstov was mentioned by the majority of the fanbase as a pick they'd be okay with.

It's not putting words in everyone's mouth if they're saying it without input from anyone else.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I like Rubtsov and think that he is a reasonable use of our 1st-round pick. I am not, however, going to speak for anyone else. I would recommend that you do the same.

Alright man. Sorry. I was just saying that pretty much every time we talk about the draft people say "we need defense so I'd like (insert defenceman here), but if they were to draft a forward I'd be happy with Rubstov." He's a center which is the wings second biggest need and he fits the mold we generally employ of defensively responsible centers.

 

[Frk It]

Not our biggest need, but impressive highlights from the kid, IMO:

 

[Ennui]

Not our biggest need, but impressive highlights from the kid, IMO:

If we hadn't acquired Sadowy, I might consider Jones, but he has the triple negative aspect of being a forward when we clearly need defense, being an agitator left wing, and having discipline issues.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Defenseman, McAvoy, Bean, Fabbro

Centers/Forwards, Kunin, Rubtsov, McLeod, Bellows

Potential Wing draftees on Defense and Center.

 

[newfy]

Obviously I want a dman to fall to Detroit but I would be happy with Rubstsov or however you spell it. I also wouldnt be disappointed with any of Jones, Mcleod or Julien Gauthier.

Gauthier seems like hes falling ebcause he didnt have a good playoff but one short series isnt enough to change the fact that he has the potential to be a huge goal scorer. A more physical Mantha. Larkin with 2, 6'4 wingers that can score in the future could be scary.

Jones has the skills but I think discipline is holding his draft status back a bit. Hes a physical guy that could make the wings very hard to play against especially if Abby is still around and guys like Bertuzzi and Sadowy pan out. I also really trust the way London develops players, theyre the best