2016 Draft Talk II

[Electric Eric]

As long as we don't reach on a guy, or do something stupid like pick a goalie, I think we come out of the first 2 rounds of this draft with 2 really solid prospects.

You shut your damn mouth.


The nice thing I haven't seen to many highly ranked goalies coming into this draft. No Samsonov or Blackwood equivalent.

 

[FireBird71]

I don't consider Rubtsov a reach at 16. If you like the guy, there is no need to trade back.

Unless they think they can get him in the early 20's and add another pick

 

[FireBird71]

What does that have to do with Rubtsov?

We traded back...got Mantha and Bertuzzi out of..they're suggesting trading back to get Rubtsov and getting another pick

 

[SpookyTsuki]

What does that have to do with Rubtsov?

Because if you trade back you could still get your player and another quality player?

 

[Ennui]

Because if you trade back you could still get your player and another quality player?

Not worth the risk. Mid first picks like 16 are where teams get lucky and draft a faller.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Not worth the risk. Mid first picks like 16 are where teams get lucky and draft a faller.

I mean. If rubstov is the guy they want. And he gets taken. How does that hurt us? Likely we get 2 dmen out of the first 2 rounds. Or outside chance. 3

 

[Ennui]

I mean. If rubstov is the guy they want. And he gets taken. How does that hurt us? Likely we get 2 dmen out of the first 2 rounds. Or outside chance. 3

Maybe Rubtsov is the guy they want, and he is gone. And Keller is left. Or Fabbro. Or Bellows. Or Brown. Plenty of surprising names could be found at 16, which makes it that much sillier that they would abandon 16 on a whim for a pick in the mid to late 20's and a second, simply because one name isn't there.

The Wings have a glut of prospects, we need high-end prospects of the kind you usually find in the upper first round. The Wings can't afford to draft with a quantity over quality mentality at this point.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Maybe Rubtsov is the guy they want, and he is gone. And Keller is left. Or Fabbro. Or Bellows. Or Brown. Plenty of surprising names could be found at 16, which makes it that much sillier that they would abandon 16 on a whim for a pick in the mid to late 20's and a second, simply because one name isn't there.

The Wings have a glut of prospects, we need high-end prospects of the kind you usually find in the upper first round. The Wings can't afford to draft with a quantity over quality mentality at this point.

If they're drafting forwards they certainly can

 

[Ennui]

If they're drafting forwards they certainly can

Clearly you're an advocate of acquiring as many picks as possible. That's fine. I would argue this: why not keep the 16th pick and sell some of the **** we have for more picks instead of hoarding prospects? This team has been sitting on its assets, where most other teams would opt to actually do something with their excess prospects.

We have graduating prospects that we can't fit in our lineup if we wanted to, more evidence that it doesn't make sense for our team to buy in bulk at this point in time.

 

[FireBird71]

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Clearly you're an advocate of acquiring as many picks as possible. That's fine. I would argue this: why not keep the 16th pick and sell some of the **** we have for more picks, instead of hoarding prospects? This team has been sitting on its assets, where most other teams would opt to actually do something with their excess prospects.

We have prospects that we can't fit in our lineup if we wanted to, more evidence that it doesn't make sense for our team to buy in bulk at this point in time.

Why not do both?

 

[Ennui]

Why not do both?

Because it would be a tremendous waste of a terrible end to the season. Go look up the draft statistics linking draft placement with player success, especially the rates of success. Go look at previous drafts and see where the highly desireable talent fell in the first round so you can get a sense of how players might fall at the draft, and you might start to see why pick 16 is quite the opportunity. We got lucky in '14 in that Larkin was who they wanted and he was still there. How would you feel if the Wings had been high on a different prospect, only to lose out on them and move the pick they could've picked Larkin with? I'd be pissed, because hindsight is 20/20, and there is a long time to think about things like that in the offseason.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Clearly you're an advocate of acquiring as many picks as possible. That's fine. I would argue this: why not keep the 16th pick and sell some of the **** we have for more picks instead of hoarding prospects? This team has been sitting on its assets, where most other teams would opt to actually do something with their excess prospects.

We have graduating prospects that we can't fit in our lineup if we wanted to, more evidence that it doesn't make sense for our team to buy in bulk at this point in time.

You're not gonna get a superstar and then a 3rd liner 4-5 picks away in this draft

And we don't need superstar forwards right now. We need superstar dfence. And if there's no guys available. There's literally no reason to pick at 16

 

[TheRatPoisoner]

You're not gonna get a superstar and then a 3rd liner 4-5 picks away in this draft

And we don't need superstar forwards right now. We need superstar dfence. And if there's no guys available. There's literally no reason to pick at 16

The Wings absolutely need superstars, regardless of the position, because right now, as far as I see it, they don't have any.

Larkin and Mrazek could wind up being those types of players, but they have a long road ahead of proving themselves in order to reach that distinction...

 

[MBauer]

You shut your damn mouth.


The nice thing I haven't seen to many highly ranked goalies coming into this draft. No Samsonov or Blackwood equivalent.

I mean I wouldn't have been happy if they ended up with Samsonov at the time, but he's looking real good, honestly would take him over Svech based on pure value alone.

 

[TheRatPoisoner]

I mean I wouldn't have been happy if they ended up with Samsonov at the time, but he's looking real good, honestly would take him over Svech based on pure value alone.

I'm happy with the Svech pick.

Like it a lot better than picking Samsonov still. That's just my opinion though.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

The Wings absolutely need superstars, regardless of the position, because right now, as far as I see it, they don't have any.

Larkin and Mrazek could wind up being those types of players, but they have a long road ahead of proving themselves in order to reach that distinction...

If we don't have any now or any in the future. Do you really think the square will go in the round hole? You ain't getting a superstar at 16 if Larkin won't be one. Or mantha. Or svechnikov

 

[SpookyTsuki]

I mean I wouldn't have been happy if they ended up with Samsonov at the time, but he's looking real good, honestly would take him over Svech based on pure value alone.

We have mrazek and coreau. I like samsonov. I would have taken him over svech if we didn't have tons of goalies

 

[Boomhower]

Trade back for rubtsov trade up for chychrun, if available

Chychrun should be the ultimate target!! What a talent.

With some crazy rankings showing even Joulevi rated in front him.... wow I'm starting to believe he could actually fall to the 9-12 range. If that happens Holland needs to be super aggressive on finally moving up in the first round and showing aggression to get their guy.

And for the record I live in London and see Joulevi all the time. Good player, but the Kid doesn't excite me as a top end of the first round pick.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

If we don't have any now or any in the future. Do you really think the square will go in the round hole? You ain't getting a superstar at 16 if Larkin won't be one. Or mantha. Or svechnikov

My apologies if English is not your first language, but you are very difficult to understand with your avant-garde punctuation and sentence structure. Nothing you have said in this thread recently comes close to making any sense.

 

[Reddwit]

You ain't getting a superstar at 16 if Larkin won't be one. Or mantha. Or svechnikov

...what?

That makes no sense. Whatever or whoever was drafted mid round in the past has no bearing on how the next mid round pick will turn out.

 

[Frk It]

Central Scouting Rankings w/ NA skaters and Euro's combined: http://3951-presscdn-28-25.pagely.n...tral-Scouting-Final-Rankings-Combined-PDF.pdf

 

[FireBird71]

My ideal situation would be to get Rubtsov in the 1st and Griffin Luce in the 2nd. Luce has the size I want. If Rubtsov is gone and they don't think there's a defenseman they like in the 1st I'd be happy to try and acquire a later 1st...a top half 2nd...and maybe a later pick...then take 3 Defensemen. From what I saw of Day I'd take a chance n the 2nd if we end up with an extra pick in that round

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Fabbro and Green. Yes plz.

I could accept Girard or Dineen from the second pick.

 

[Frk It]

My ideal situation would be to get Rubtsov in the 1st and Griffin Luce in the 2nd. Luce has the size I want.

Not the type of defenseman we need (most). Also think he goes more RD 3 or 4. Would be ok with him in the 4th, but the best defenseman we draft this year needs to be better than Luce. (See the central scouting rankings I posted).

Fabbro and Green. Yes plz.

Sign me up. That's stocking the back end how we need to.

 

[Go Wings]

I mean I wouldn't have been happy if they ended up with Samsonov at the time, but he's looking real good, honestly would take him over Svech based on pure value alone.

I would rather have taken White or Konecky