2016 Draft Talk II

[Frk It]

Nyqusit + 16OA to MTL for#9 and then draft 6'6' C Logan Brown.

Good story about him on NHL web site. Here's the address

nhl.com/news/logan-brown-top-prospect-for 2016 nhl-draft/c-279121130

Like his history and potential

I like Logan Brown.

But the idea of not only not drafting a defenseman with the 1st, but also trading one of our best trade chips to do so?....

Yeah, count me out.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

That reads to me like pure conjecture and speculation from the Van press.

Absolutely possible, but in the event it were true, yano.

Goes to show how much I know about the guy.

Then I revise my earlier statements - if some really good young defensemen or established top veteran defenseman can't be traded for, I guess we're stuck waiting for the grass to grow. No interest in McCann.

Now that I know he is a center, I know all I need to. I don't want to give up our first rounder unless I'm getting a defenseman back.

If the quality defensemen are gone, there is no option via trade, or if Holland crew are planning on taking a forward anyway? I'd trade for McCann 10/10 times.

 

[ChadS]

A lot of people seem to compare McCann to McLeod who might be available when we pick. Which one would you use our pick on?

When I saw McLeod at the U18's it was obvious that he has a lot of talent but for some reason he wasn't quite able to put it all together and be a star player for Canada. I would probably still be ok with drafting him especially if there isn't a good D available, because he's definitely got potential. But I still think there should be a good D choice at #16.

 

[Mister Ed]

Another possibility would be the NJ Devils at 11. They need help in the scoring department and Nyquist/Tatar could be the boost they need.

Red Wings send the 16th pick overall and Tatar for the 11th pick overall + 101st pick overall.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Another possibility would be the NJ Devils at 11. They need help in the scoring department and Nyquist/Tatar could be the boost they need.

Red Wings send the 16th pick overall and Tatar for the 11th pick overall + 101st pick overall.

That is flat out awful. You want to trade Tatar to move up five spots in the first and collect a fourth rounder?

 

[Ennui]

If the quality defensemen are gone, there is no option via trade, or if Holland crew are planning on taking a forward anyway? I'd trade for McCann 10/10 times.

If the quality defensemen are gone, it is very likely that a quality center falls to us; at the 16th draft position, anyone save the top 3 draft prospects could fall to us, even names like Keller, Brown, or amazingly enough even Jost could be available if other teams prioritize drafting defensemen. I think that McCann has had a good season, but he hasn't proven enough to justify trading our 16th pick for him.

Now, if Benning is as interested in a young defenseman as he seems to be, I would say dangle Smith or perhaps even Sproul or Ouellet in front of him and see if Benning goes full Benning.

 

[Frk It]

Another possibility would be the NJ Devils at 11. They need help in the scoring department and Nyquist/Tatar could be the boost they need.

Red Wings send the 16th pick overall and Tatar for the 11th pick overall + 101st pick overall.

Hard to see how NJ doesn't walk away from this as gigantic winners...

Also, to me, it only makes sense to propose trading up if you have a specific target in mind. Trading up for the sake of trading up is setting yourself to fail.

The only guy I'd even consider trading up for is Chychrun.

 

[Ennui]

Hard to see how NJ doesn't walk away from this as gigantic winners...

Also, to me, it only makes sense to propose trading up if you have a specific target in mind. Trading up for the sake of trading up is setting yourself to fail.

The only guy I'd even consider trading up for is Chychrun.

I agree; I get the feeling that people are unduly critical of him, and that he will prove to be a top-line defenseman that his draft team can build around. I dunno, though, if a particularly noteworthy prospect falls within a pick or two of us, and the asking price could revolve around trading out some of our excess prospect depth, it might be worth it do trade up in such a scenario.

 

[Frk It]

If we go defense in the first, and forward in the 2nd... I like this kid:

14. Jordan Kyrou - Forward - Sarnia Sting
Kyrou is a better player than his numbers would indicate. His 51 points had him 14th among draft eligible forwards from the OHL this year and only a few points ahead of the likes of Jonathan Ang and Alan Lyszczarczyk. But you have to watch him play to truly realize what he brings to the table. Kyrou is one of the best skaters in the OHL, demonstrating not only elite speed, but agility too. He cuts/changes directions as quick as any player in the league. It's that, that allows him to be a true puck hound defensively, and an offensive dynamo off the rush. Kyrou's skill with the puck is also among the best in this draft class, as he possesses the ability to make defenders miss and create a ton of time and space for himself to operate. At times he can be prone to overhandling the puck and needs to make safer plays, but his creativity is refreshing. So what's holding him back? Well Sarnia was a pretty low scoring team this year so you have to take that into account. But Kyrou does have his flaws. He needs to shoot the puck more and will need to work on his shot if he wants to be a more complete offensive player. Defenders tend to play him for the pass and he needs to be less predictable. Kyrou also needs to continue to add strength so that he doesn't have to rely on his speed alone to win loose puck battles. The best way to evaluate Kyrou is against his peers. And at the Hlinka in the Summer, and at the U18's, I thought Kyrou was one of Canada's top performers. That has to count for more than his average production this year. Check out Jordan's interview from The Pipeline Show.

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016/05/my-final-top-50-ohl-players-for-2016.html

 

[Ennui]

If we go defense in the first, and forward in the 2nd... I like this kid:



http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016/05/my-final-top-50-ohl-players-for-2016.html

Offense in the second round? How 'bout boom or bust?

http://thehockeywriters.com/dmitri-sokolov-the-next-ones-nhl-2016-draft-prospect-profile/

We don't have a third rounder to use on someone like Sokolov or Day, and the potential of either player is too high to scoff at. I say we use our first rounder to draft as close as we can get to a sure thing, and then swing for the fences with the second rounder.

 

[Frk It]

Offense in the second round? How 'bout boom or bust?

http://thehockeywriters.com/dmitri-sokolov-the-next-ones-nhl-2016-draft-prospect-profile/

We don't have a third rounder to use on someone like Sokolov or Day, and the potential of either player is too high to scoff at. I say we use our first rounder to draft as close as we can get to a sure thing, and then swing for the fences with the second rounder.

I'll pass on Day.

Sokolov would be okay. There's other forwards I like in the 2nd though, with good reward and less risk. Such as Steel, Kyrou, Gregor, Morrison, Stransky. Possibley even Benson.

 

[Ingvar]

I'll pass on Day.

Sokolov would be okay. There's other forwards I like in the 2nd though, with good reward and less risk. Such as Steel, Kyrou, Gregor, Morrison, Stransky. Possibley even Benson.

Much less reward. Sokolov was projected to go somewhere around top-5 before the start of the season. There is a reason for that.

 

[Frk It]

Much less reward. Sokolov was projected to go somewhere around top-5 before the start of the season. There is a reason for that.

Also a reason why he has dropped so much.

 

[Ingvar]

Also a reason why he has dropped so much.

Beggars can't be choosers. If I was at DRW right now, I would pick all the locker room cancers, guys out of shape and all other prospects who have more potential than their draft position implies. They would either bring Detroit back to glory or sink it to the point where you have to rebuild and can take best prospects without any risk.

 

[zwixrr]

Dream draft for me would include picking up jake bean, one of girard or luke green, and snagging up kryski in the later rounds.

 

[DRW204]

Trade back for rubtsov trade up for chychrun, if available

 

[lidstromiscool]

Wouldn’t mind seeing them pick Cliff Pu from the London Knights. He’s impressed me in the memorial cup so far, the only place I’ve seen him play. Could be a decent pick in the middle rounds. Big body, right handed, fast and has some skill. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=245616

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Trade back for rubtsov trade up for chychrun, if available

I don't consider Rubtsov a reach at 16. If you like the guy, there is no need to trade back.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

I don't consider Rubtsov a reach at 16. If you like the guy, there is no need to trade back.

We'll. We got mantha. And a probable playoff beast in Tyler bertuzzi out of trading back

 

[Henkka]

McKeen's Grant McCagg informed that this draft's TOP15 is probably closest ever after that TOP3.

https://twitter.com/TSN1290Radio/status/735219353235410944

I think something good will fall for Wings 16th pick almost for sure. I just needs guys like Bruins to make one bad pick...

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

We'll. We got mantha. And a probable playoff beast in Tyler bertuzzi out of trading back

What does that have to do with Rubtsov?

 

[DRW204]

I don't consider Rubtsov a reach at 16. If you like the guy, there is no need to trade back.

I wouldnt be mad with either Rubtsov or Kunin. Mocks have both guys in the early 20s and when I play the draft out with teams and their needs in the current draft order, 1/2 of the guys, if not both, will be available in early 20s

 

[Frk It]

As long as we don't reach on a guy, or do something stupid like pick a goalie, I think we come out of the first 2 rounds of this draft with 2 really solid prospects.

Pretty much any top 15 leaves 1-3 players I really like that we are guaranteed to get at 16. And I like a bunch of forwards/defenseman slated to go in the 2nd, too.

May not be as deep as other drafts, but I still like some of the options out there a bit. Will say though, if we take a forward in both round 1 and 2, I will be bummed out.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I wouldnt be mad with either Rubtsov or Kunin. Mocks have both guys in the early 20s and when I play the draft out with teams and their needs in the current draft order, 1/2 of the guys, if not both, will be available in early 20s

I applaud you for working through the needs of each individual team, but I am not sure how predictive that actually is. I personally put very little stock in mock drafts and acknowledge that the actual draft lists of various teams differ greatly from the rankings of the public scouts. I expect that some teams will have Kunin and Rubtsov within their top 15.

It is very difficult to talk about trading up or down in a vacuum or with respect to a particular player. You need to see who is left on the board before you entertain thoughts of doing either. If you think Rubtsov or Kunin are clearly better than everything else left on the board, you take them at 16 without blinking.

 

[DRW204]

I applaud you for working through the needs of each individual team, but I am not sure how predictive that actually is. I personally put very little stock in mock drafts and acknowledge that the actual draft lists of various teams differ greatly from the rankings of the public scouts. I expect that some teams will have Kunin and Rubtsov within their top 15.

It is very difficult to talk about trading up or down in a vacuum or with respect to a particular player. You need to see who is left on the board before you entertain thoughts of doing either. If you think Rubtsov or Kunin are clearly better than everything else left on the board, you take them at 16 without blinking.

Its true. teams can go BPA and work on needs later but just a rough prediction of how the draft might go