What's working is how Gravel can play with either one. I would not be surprised to see the Kings go with 8 D out of the 23. Then the DS tinkering begins. McNabb will make his way back to some minutes with Drew. Forbort will drop down at times and play with the Greene/Gilbert right side. Gravel might even play some right side with Forbort. I think DS wouldn't hesitate to scratch Gilbert Greene Forbort Gravel McNabb. Possibly add Muzzin to that list. DS will eventually get this thing all messed up, just like he does with the F. I personally think McNabb with either Greene/Gilbert is going to be a complete disaster. Might as well get the skating coach out for all 3. Maybe the skate coach could play a few shifts? Get ready for slow and slower!!!
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What's working is how Gravel can play with either one. I would not be surprised to see the Kings go with 8 D out of the 23. Then the DS tinkering begins. McNabb will make his way back to some minutes with Drew. Forbort will drop down at times and play with the Greene/Gilbert right side. Gravel might even play some right side with Forbort. I think DS wouldn't hesitate to scratch Gilbert Greene Forbort Gravel McNabb. Possibly add Muzzin to that list. DS will eventually get this thing all messed up, just like he does with the F. I personally think McNabb with either Greene/Gilbert is going to be a complete disaster. Might as well get the skating coach out for all 3. Maybe the skate coach could play a few shifts? Get ready for slow and slower!!!
Send Greene or Gilbert down. If they get grabbed on waivers I am ok with it. Obviously try and deal either first.
Keep Gravel up because he is the best out of the 3 IMO.
Keep Gravel up because he is the best out of the 3 IMO.
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At this particular point, I would probably do Muzzin for Trouba, just for balance's sake. Muzzin can't seem to read off Martinez and vice-versa, nor can he lug the puck to be 'the guy' on that pairing (Martinez is way better at that), and we have surplus LHD while Winnipeg has surplus RHD. If Muzzin is never going to play with Doughty again anyway, what's the point in forcing Muzzin and offside-martinez to be a thing? I think Muzzin is the superior player, don't get me wrong, but I like Doughty-Forbort / McNabb-Trouba / Martinez-Greene/Gravel a whole lot better than Doughty and a lefty parade that isn't working. Would also give the jets a great defensive guy to pair with Myers and Buff. Maybe there's a better RHD out there, who knows, but I'm getting sick of watching Martinez waste his career on his backhand and that pairing be sloppy with their reads. Yes, I know what the CF numbers say, but ignoring Gilbert, Muzzin and Martinez are hovering 45% goals-for percentage--10% worse than any other regular top four guys. There are some PDO effects there due to on-ice save percentage, but I think most would agree that they give up so many high quality looks that a lower save percentage makes sense, especially given they take a lot of shots for.
Edit: hell even their scoring chances for % is high, so I'd expect their actual +/- production to level out a little bit, but again, it's last year's Erik karlsson argument that I kept having--not everything to do with shooting % and save % is luck, there is talent and quality in there too, and if you're consistently shooting yourself in the foot by giving up insanely high danger scoring chances, of course your on ice save % is going to be low.
Love both players, understand why they're together, wish they weren't.
Edit: hell even their scoring chances for % is high, so I'd expect their actual +/- production to level out a little bit, but again, it's last year's Erik karlsson argument that I kept having--not everything to do with shooting % and save % is luck, there is talent and quality in there too, and if you're consistently shooting yourself in the foot by giving up insanely high danger scoring chances, of course your on ice save % is going to be low.
Love both players, understand why they're together, wish they weren't.
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Kings activate defenseman Brayden McNabb from IR.
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Will be interesting to see who loses time, hope it isn't Gravel or Forbort.
Kings activate defenseman Brayden McNabb from IR.
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Will be interesting to see who loses time, hope it isn't Gravel or Forbort.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Sutter seems comfortable with 8d as mentioned by Rosen several times. Wonder if that's what he sticks with until Toffoli comes back--because sending Gravel down almost certainly means calling up Mersch or someone similar. Maybe when we get back to Ca?
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Seeing how useless some forwards are, might as well run with 4 defense pairs. C'mon Sutter, you know you want to do it!
Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Gravel-Greene
McNabb-Gilbert
And just roll 10 forwards with three lines and a spare guy who can rotate. I'd like to see this just to witness the ****show that it'll create on the ice.
Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Gravel-Greene
McNabb-Gilbert
And just roll 10 forwards with three lines and a spare guy who can rotate. I'd like to see this just to witness the ****show that it'll create on the ice.
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That' really doesn't mean anything(age).
Guys like Willie Mitchell, Rob Scuderi, were both 24,25 years of age before they even sniffed NHL ice.
It's a price you pay for going the college route.
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I will never understand the thought process of people, that want to put a struggling AHL player in the NHL, thinking it will help.
Kempe is not even the best player in Ontario, or even best winger. That title belongs to Jonny Brodzinski.
If anyone in the AHL deserves a call up, it's Brodzinski.
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Wouldn't mind to see Brodzinski get a cup of tea this year, Mersch and Kempe definitely haven't earned callups
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Imagine how we'd be getting on if we still had to wear Richards 5.750 cap hit. These longterm contracts really are hit and miss.
Richards- glue factory
Carter- awesome
Brown- trying but fighting the puck
Quick- great but hopefully this injury isn't a sign of the future
Gaborik- fragile and starting to show his age
Kopi- having an off year
So the question is do you give TT 8 x whatever?
Then Doughty soon too?
Richards- glue factory
Carter- awesome
Brown- trying but fighting the puck
Quick- great but hopefully this injury isn't a sign of the future
Gaborik- fragile and starting to show his age
Kopi- having an off year
So the question is do you give TT 8 x whatever?
Then Doughty soon too?
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I know it seems counter intuitive to claim that a player not doing too well in a lower league would play better in the NHL, but Kempe may be the exception. Both Stothers and Hoven I believe said that Kempe would thrive playing with more skilled players. Since he has the speed, skill and finish, pairing him with Carter or Kopitar may bring out the most of his abilities. At this point, I think its worth a game or two to see what he has got.
Why are the Kings so dead against calling up a forward from Manchester?
They have called D up back and forth the past few years but they refuse to give anyone a shot except a brief cup of tea for Mersch.
The kings are boring and not scoring. What would it hurt to call u Kempe, Mersch or Brods?
They have called D up back and forth the past few years but they refuse to give anyone a shot except a brief cup of tea for Mersch.
The kings are boring and not scoring. What would it hurt to call u Kempe, Mersch or Brods?
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It's because Sutter's game plan without Quick is to play a suffocating defensive game. By calling up a forward from Ontario, its a risk defensively if they make rookie mistakes. Gravel and Forbort have gradually earned Sutter's trust, so he is keeping them in the lineup.
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Or all three of them? Maybe some of the big boys need conditioning stints in the AHL to remember what scoring a goal feels like
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Yes, send Kopi to Ontario. Needs a reality check. I feared when he got that contract, along with having a kid, he would regress...but not this bad.
When Trevor Lewis, Dowd, Dwight King outscoring Kopitar...and Nick Shore tying him in goals last game, he needs to produce . Go to the net, shoot more, push through.
I think this is a big part of it.
Kings are are not taking risks or chances. Trying to win 1-0 every game. That and the PP is non existent.
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You can make the moneyball argument that since Brown and Gaborik aren't going anywhere, and that's going to hinder the Kings from truly contending because there's only so much cap space, that you trade Toffoli and Pearson for picks and prospects, before they have to get big deals, getting back the value lost with Brown and Gaborik, and you ride out the contracts of the old guys, get some of your own high picks, and then in 5 years you're more ready for the new wave once those contracts are finally gone.
That would be just in theory though, since it's much more difficult to actually do that in real life, and then have to live with the potential consequences of being wrong. So yeah, Toffoli will probably get whatever he wants.
Roster limits? 23 guys on the Kings, and there's a certain number of veterans Ontario can have in a game at any one time, and they've got a bunch as it is. Purcell has already been pushed out because of Setoguchi. Who is being sent down to open up a spot on the Kings? Don't say King, he's still one of the higher scoring forwards at 5v5. Nolan? Again, one of the few playing well.
Went to the game last night. The Oilers owned the friggin corners. If it weren't for a bad turnover on their part the game should have been a shootout. The first period I thought was LA's best, they generated some really good scoring chances.
Muzzin continues to struggle. He is trying to contain players using his stick and not his feet. Forbort was impressive. He was really good about not taking penalties when he leans on people to take them off of the puck. A lot of other players hook or hold here but he didn't.
Nice new rink.
Muzzin continues to struggle. He is trying to contain players using his stick and not his feet. Forbort was impressive. He was really good about not taking penalties when he leans on people to take them off of the puck. A lot of other players hook or hold here but he didn't.
Nice new rink.
Reign is packed with older players and think only option is to trade Gilbert if DL is going to keep Gravel with Kings.
AHL rules say you can only dress 3 older player at one game.
Reign have Scuderi, Hensick, Backman, Bissonnette not sure is Brett Sutter one also.
..and don't think Greene has any trading value, negative value more likely.
Well Hensick, Backman, Bissonnette and Sutter have a AHL contract and don't think Scuderi can be send to ECHL.
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Not true. There is a veteran limit but its not that restrictive. Iirc its 5 true vetrans can be dressed every game (310+ ahl/nhl games) and 1 semi vet (250-310 games). Ill confirm that later.
Scuderi can be sent to echl. Any player can be sent to echl. However for any player that is not on an elc the team must first get the players permission.
Yes true it's 5 players and Reign has 6 now.
Sean Backman, Paul Bissonnette, T.J. Hensick, Rob Scuderi, Brett Sutter and Teddy Purcell.
https://lakingsinsider.com/2016/12/12/reign-rewind-the-veteran-rule-predicament/
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Yeah there we go. Michael Latta is the semi vet 260-320 and only 5 of the other 6 can dress.
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