Line Combos: 2016-2017 Kings Roster

[tsanuri]

I just hate the ads. I can't use my phone here due to pop ups. All I can see is the inside of people's nose here so it's not worth mevery risking frustration. This is how all good things start to ie.

You shouldn't be getting ads on mobile from what's been said. Think they only go away once you're logged in but if you keep yourself logged in on your mobile device you should be ad free. Unless you're trying to use the desktop site on a mobile device.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Becoming a sponsor (1 dollar a month) also eliminates ads

 

[lexlavender]

Starting to really consider trading Muzzin. We have a glut at LD, and it's clear Martinez isn't good at enough at playing on his off wing. Muzzin+pick could bring in many things to help address our needs, with either a RD like Trouba or a RW like Eberle or someone else.

I keep looking at Winnipeg; they have too many righties, we have too many leftie D. It's a hockey trade that makes too much sense.

 

[Clare2904]

You shouldn't be getting ads on mobile from what's been said. Think they only go away once you're logged in but if you keep yourself logged in on your mobile device you should be ad free. Unless you're trying to use the desktop site on a mobile device.

I use the desktop site on my phone but have the Ad Block for Samsung app that takes away the ads. Shame I can't find a good app for my tablet as that is super annoying to use.

 

[Clare2904]

As for game talk, I'm still new to hockey and in all honesty the terminology gets a little confusing at times. I just watch the game and do my best to keep my eye on where the **** the puck is

 

[no name]

I just go to hf via mobile chrome. It always has ads. I posted that message from my phone so I'm logged in. I can't even close them. I have to wait 30 seconds for them to finish.
No, I'm not interested in sponsoring. 1 dollar a month out of fear of my phone getting stuck? Maybe I'll hire the mob to ensure my business doesn't get robbed.

 

[YP44]

Starting to really consider trading Muzzin. We have a glut at LD, and it's clear Martinez isn't good at enough at playing on his off wing. Muzzin+pick could bring in many things to help address our needs, with either a RD like Trouba or a RW like Eberle or someone else.

I keep looking at Winnipeg; they have too many righties, we have too many leftie D. It's a hockey trade that makes too much sense.

I would be ok if it were for a RHD who legitimately a top 4. Would also be ok with a scorer however Not sure Eberle should be the target. What about E. Kane + Fysk.

 

[Trolfoli]

Starting to really consider trading Muzzin. We have a glut at LD, and it's clear Martinez isn't good at enough at playing on his off wing. Muzzin+pick could bring in many things to help address our needs, with either a RD like Trouba or a RW like Eberle or someone else.

I keep looking at Winnipeg; they have too many righties, we have too many leftie D. It's a hockey trade that makes too much sense.

It's starting to make more sense. Forbort is fine on the first pair, if he goes down Doughty can carry almost anyone. Martinez is fine on the second pair and it's harder to get guys like Martinez. (PMD that are defensively responsible) There's no reason to play Muzzin on the 3rd pair.

Trouba would be my #1 target, but don't think he's all that likely to be moved.

Myers/Barrie, don't seem to fit. Kings wouldn't pair them with Martinez so you'd need to keep Muzzin and move Martinez. The problem here is getting a PMD that is responsible on defense. Don't see that working for Sutter.

Hamonic, could work. Looks like NYI may move some D with the expansion coming up, but you'd have to deal with Snow and he just saw the Hall trade go down...

There just isn't a lot out there for established RHD that can play a shutdown role to be paired with Martinez.

Gudbranson: Maybe. Van fans are really complaining about him, maybe they end up moving him after just acquiring this year. Don't know if he'd be a fit. Also out with a wrist injury.

If none of those work you could make Muzzin available at the trade deadline for a ridiculous package. That would be about getting a near ready RHD prospect. Teams like the Caps/Habs come to mind. Problem here is Lombardi would have to be sold on the prospect.

What about trading Muzzin to Vegas? If Vegas ended up with some players like Manson (Ducks), Dano (WPG) could that work? I'm guessing Vegas would be willing to trade some assets for players that have higher worth. Maybe Kings could get a young RHD/(C/W)/goalie prospect for Muzzin.


Greene is also starting to be an issue because he only plays well with Martinez, but Martinez is needed on the second pair.

Edit: Instead of focusing on what you'll lose to Vegas, ask, "how do we profit from this?"

 

[damacles1156]

Lombardi won't even trade players like, Clifford/King/Andy/Nolan.

Muzzin ? you guys are dreaming.

The only way you get a better Defender than Muzzin on a cheaper contract, is draft the guy, and develop him.

Gravel could end up making someone trade bait, but that won't happen this season.

 

[AlphaBravo]

With LaDue probably playing full-time next year, we should be good on defense.

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-LaDue
McNabb-Martinez

Greene/Gravel extras.

Greene will play out the last year of his contract, unless by some miracle we can trade him. If McNabb had serious value, I wouldn't mind trading him since we will have an extra left handed defenseman, but he is unlikely to fetch a top 6 forward prospect, so there is no point. Might as well keep as many capable defensemen in case of injury.

 

[KopitarFAN]

With LaDue probably playing full-time next year, we should be good on defense.

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-LaDue
McNabb-Martinez

Greene/Gravel extras.

Greene will play out the last year of his contract, unless by some miracle we can trade him. If McNabb had serious value, I wouldn't mind trading him since we will have an extra left handed defenseman, but he is unlikely to fetch a top 6 forward prospect, so there is no point. Might as well keep as many capable defensemen in case of injury.

Their is a good chance that Forbort or McNabb end up the pick in the expansion, and not them then Dowd, or hell froze over and it was Brown.

 

[YP44]

Their is a good chance that Forbort or McNabb end up the pick in the expansion, and not them then Dowd, or hell froze over and it was Brown.

agreed every sim I run it seems like the no brainer for Vegas is McNabb or Forbort.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Lombardi won't even trade players like, Clifford/King/Andy/Nolan.

Muzzin ? you guys are dreaming.

The only way you get a better Defender than Muzzin on a cheaper contract, is draft the guy, and develop him.

Gravel could end up making someone trade bait, but that won't happen this season.

I wouldn't say it's impossible anymore. I felt that way before the season started but Forbort has played well this season and the Kings desperately need forward help. Kings have no prospects to trade and no cap space to sign one. I would still put the chances of Muzzin or Martinez being traded pretty low but if the right deal comes along, who knows. Huge Muzzin fan but I would think pretty hard if they could start a deal around Muzzin for a guy like Landeskog.

 

[Trolfoli]

Lombardi won't even trade players like, Clifford/King/Andy/Nolan.

Muzzin ? you guys are dreaming.

The only way you get a better Defender than Muzzin on a cheaper contract, is draft the guy, and develop him.

Gravel could end up making someone trade bait, but that won't happen this season.

Muzzin just doesn't fit right now. He's not needed on the top pair. The second pair struggles with him on it because Martinez has to move to the right and the Kings have plenty of guys capable of playing the 3rd pair.

It isn't about getting someone better or on a better contract, but a better fit for the team. Right now the Kings have 4 LHD capable of playing in the top 4 and only one RHD that can play in the top 4. The team would be better with some balance.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I wouldn't say it's impossible anymore. I felt that way before the season started but Forbort has played well this season and the Kings desperately need forward help. Kings have no prospects to trade and no cap space to sign one. I would still put the chances of Muzzin or Martinez being traded pretty low but if the right deal comes along, who knows. Huge Muzzin fan but I would think pretty hard if they could start a deal around Muzzin for a guy like Landeskog.

Agree with this and Trolfoli. You only trade from a position of strength and when you can do it within the cap. A year ago, Forbert and Gravel were not ready and unproven. They have both showed they can play (although Gravel has less games) and Ladue was in the NCAA last year...he showed in the preseason he truly has the ability and tools to make it - whether it's 1 or 2 years, does not matter. He's right handed and that helps.

I cannot see the AVs parting with Landeskog. Muzzin has made a name for himself and made Team Canada. What about DL's trading partner Hextall? Not sure who could be a good target. Couturier would be interesting, but he's injured. What about Toronto? Van Riemsdyk or Kadri + something?

Tired of being bottom 10-20% in offense seemingly years on end and not having top offensive forwards in the pipeline. Amadio is raising his game, but still probably 2 years away. Kempe? Hope he turns it up. Brodzinski may actually end up being a second or third line forward. Given up on Mersch...he cannot skate in the NHL. Could be an interesting trade deadline. If the Kings are 6-9 place and Quick is ready by the trade deadline, maybe DL can add an impact player.

 

[Basilisk]

Given up on Mersch...he cannot skate in the NHL.

In other words, he's the next Luc Robitaille? Good to know!!!

 

[Peter James Bond II]

In other words, he's the next Luc Robitaille? Good to know!!!

Robitaille had much more skill...and could score on wrist shots, snap shots, slap shots anywhere within 40 feet of the net. 90% of Mersch's goals are in the crease, mostly by power moves. He's great at it, but if that's all he's NHL level at, not going to cut it.

 

[Fishhead]

I used to ride Muzzin all the time about his IQ, bonehead plays, etc. The guy still drives me nuts occasionally.

But no way do I trade him unless some team makes a ridiculous offer. He elevates his game when the stakes are high and is a presence on the ice. He's a big body with a great reach who can play physical and score. I wouldn't trade him for any less than a top 2 RHD because that's where I feel his value is at given what he brings and his contract. He's not on top of it so far this year, but have any of the guys that played in the world cup?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I used to ride Muzzin all the time about his IQ, bonehead plays, etc. The guy still drives me nuts occasionally.

But no way do I trade him unless some team makes a ridiculous offer. He elevates his game when the stakes are high and is a presence on the ice. He's a big body with a great reach who can play physical and score. I wouldn't trade him for any less than a top 2 RHD because that's where I feel his value is at given what he brings and his contract. He's not on top of it so far this year, but have any of the guys that played in the world cup?

Tons of guys who played the world cup are having great seasons. Unless you're talking about the Kings, then no, none of them are playing well.

 

[Fishhead]

Tons of guys who played the world cup are having great seasons. Unless you're talking about the Kings, then no, none of them are playing well.

Yeah, our guys have sucked. Not sure what the deal is, but every one of them has underachieved. They are all much better than they are playing, Muzzin included.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Yeah, our guys have sucked. Not sure what the deal is, but every one of them has underachieved. They are all much better than they are playing, Muzzin included.

Sure is weird since they all came back playing excellent hockey from the Olympics a few years ago. Although the Olympics obviously were in the middle of the season. Kopitar is injured, we all see that. He's just going to have a year like Carter did last season after his injury. He'll heat up but I doubt he'll have a normal Kopitar season.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The thing is, Muzzin barely even played in the World Cup. He was supposed to be Doughty's partner, that's mostly why he was there, and then that ended after like the first exhibition game. Maybe it's the fog of his play this year talking, but I think he looked slow for Team Canada too, which is why he didn't last long.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Its that ******** beard.

 

[Omni Owl]

Maybe our top guys just have nothing left after years of pushing in the playoffs. They could be burned out, except the superhuman Carter.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Maybe our top guys just have nothing left after years of pushing in the playoffs. They could be burned out, except the superhuman Carter.

Need to find out the regimen that our friends up north--especially Pavelski, Burns, Thornton, Marleau--are doing in the offseason to stay fresh (besides golfing early for years ) because those guys just keep getting better for the most part. Thornton is starting to look his age, but it's taken him this long.

I do hold to my theory that the punishing style is like a bunch of running backs burning out, and the way the Kings played--and how deep--between 2012 and 2014 fits that a bit.