Line Combos: 2016-2017 Kings Roster

[USE Fi]

One of the best defensive team in NHL playing top 4 minutes, McNabb is top 4 D.

 

[theMajor]

As guys get older, the Kings have to be better at drafting and developing players who can be ready in 2-3 years and beyond.

agreed, I think this will be the most important thing to focus on from here on out, and Dean should be well aware. the last two years have been pretty awful as far as drafting goes

 

[KingsFan7824]

One of the best defensive team in NHL playing top 4 minutes, McNabb is top 4 D.

It's not that linear. There aren't exactly 30 #1D in the NHL, but if there are, they're not all equally spread out over 30 teams, but every team still technically has a #1 defenseman because someone has to be the #1 guy on a team. McNabb might have to be a top 4D on the Kings, but he might not actually be a top 4D, or he might be. It's not a completely exact science.

 

[damacles1156]

And we can find examples of all of that in 2012, 2013, and 2014. This year won't be any different from that standpoint than any of those seasons, except it doesn't feel the same going, because the context of the team is different, and we've seen what's happened the last 2 years. Plenty of questions yet to be answered.

People thought Lombardi was going to be fired in 2012(myself included).

So I agree with you.

Lot's of questions every year, even for supposedly complete teams. How many questions do you think Capital fans are asking right about now ?

That Caps team, didn't even make the final.

 

[USE Fi]

It's not that linear. There aren't exactly 30 #1D in the NHL, but if there are, they're not all equally spread out over 30 teams, but every team still technically has a #1 defenseman because someone has to be the #1 guy on a team. McNabb might have to be a top 4D on the Kings, but he might not actually be a top 4D, or he might be. It's not a completely exact science.

Well of course it goes like that so where do you draw the line? If we would have Karlsson and Burns he would not be. He would be top 4 on more than 15 teams is that fair?

 

[damacles1156]

Being that Doughty played with McNabb for the majority of the season and had a Norris-winning year, your statement doesn't make a lot of sense. I would reason that if Doughty had to play the whole year with a bottom-pairing anchor (see Scuderi), no way he wins the Norris. Again, the numbers:

Doughty 5 on 5
With Scuderi: Goals for % 56%, Corsi for % 47%
With McNabb: Goals for % 59%, Corsi for % 60%

Doughty won the Norris in part because he is an absolute puck possession monster and plays a great 200 foot game. McNabb helped him do that. It's pretty telling that Doughty's Goals for % and Corsi for % go up with McNabb vs. without McNabb.



I totally agree that Luke Schenn is not a good NHL defenseman, but explain this:

Schenn with McNabb 5 on 5 Goals for %: 60%, Corsi for % 54%

This narrative that McNabb sucks makes for a good story, but the data tell a different story.

McNabb is a legit NHL Defender, we just don't know if he can handle top 4 Duties (Consistently).

People talking about McNabb like he is some sort of AHL scrub are off their rocker.

 

[USE Fi]

Some one wrote its ok to move number 1 draft pick since Kopitar, Doughty and Quick are getting old. I would like to Kings to tranform Detroit type of team that has chance to win it for decade or two, where people would take paycut just to have chance to play. I remember Lombardi has talked about this same goal.

Having really good draft team, goalie coach, good coach in AHL, etc.

 

[damacles1156]

Some one wrote its ok to move number 1 draft pick since Kopitar, Doughty and Quick are getting old. I would like to Kings to tranform Detroit type of team that has chance to win it for decade or two, where people would take paycut just to have chance to play. I remember Lombardi has talked about this same goal.

Honestly.

How much of a threat has the Wings been(last Six years) ? Now they don't have Datsyuk, and Zetts is on his last leg.

I would say the Detroit model is draft three Hall of famers(Lidstrom/Datsyuk/Zetts) in later rounds(some luck involved), have them play for 15+ years. Since 2009 the Wings haven't been past the Second round, with three straight first round exists. I would say they probably don't make the playoff's this year.


That's the Wings model.

The Wings should have gone full rebuild four years ago. Those draft picks(high) would have been hitting the NHL right about now.

 

[USE Fi]

Honestly.

How much of a threat has the Wings been ? Now they don't have Dats, and Zetts is on his last leg.

I would say the Detroit model is draft three Hall of famers in late rounds(luck), have them play for 15+ years. Since 2009 the Wings haven't been past the Second round, with three straight first round exists. I would say they probably don't make the playoff's this year.


That's the Wings model.

Well it`s weird that they draft so good and have been in playoffs for how many years now...Yeah, lets go Edmonton way tank for 15years and then draft nro1 pick for 5 years and then sell them to to get larsson different coach and GM every year.
Detroit is known as a hockeytown most players if they have limited movement choose detroit to one of the team they want to go. But opinion is like, well let`s just say everyone have one opinion.

 

[damacles1156]

Well it`s weird that they draft so good and have been in playoffs for how many years now...Yeah, lets go Edmonton way tank for 15years and then draft nro1 pick for 5 years and then sell them to to get larsson different coach and GM every year.
Detroit is known as a hockeytown most players if they have limited movement choose detroit to one of the team they want to go. But opinion is like, well let`s just say everyone have one opinion.

You know Babcock left The Wings right ? Name the last Big Free agent to sign in Detriot, or Big Trade target land their...

What does EDM, in development and Coaching, and General management, have to do with LA ? Are you trying to say LA does anything remotely like EDM ? What Hockey team are you talking about ? The Kings right ?

Since 2006 the Wings have exactly Six players that have played over 100 NHL games for them...That's a decade worth of drafting just about.

The Kings have had 11 since 2006.

That's terrible drafting from the Wings, it's why they are ,where they are.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Some one wrote its ok to move number 1 draft pick since Kopitar, Doughty and Quick are getting old. I would like to Kings to tranform Detroit type of team that has chance to win it for decade or two, where people would take paycut just to have chance to play. I remember Lombardi has talked about this same goal.

Having really good draft team, goalie coach, good coach in AHL, etc.

Lombardi was fully justified in trading draft picks in 2015 and 2016 to take another run at the cup. From 2012-2014 we won two cups and made it to the conference finals. While the iron was hot, we had to take a few more risky chances to win again. Now that we know with certainty that this team is not the same team as 2012, 2013 or 2014, Lombardi is properly adjusting and taking another approach.

Also, the Detroit model doesn't work. They had their success in the 90s, but have done absolutely nothing since then. You can't perpetually focus on drafting and never take risky moves. The sole objective is to win the cup--even if it means mortgaging the future for several years just for that one cup.

 

[damacles1156]

Lombardi was fully justified in trading draft picks in 2015 and 2016 to take another run at the cup. From 2012-2014 we won two cups and made it to the conference finals. While the iron was hot, we had to take a few more risky chances to win again. Now that we know with certainty that this team is not the same team as 2012, 2013 or 2014, Lombardi is properly adjusting and taking another approach.

Also, the Detroit model doesn't work. They had their success in the 90s, but have done absolutely nothing since then. You can't perpetually focus on drafting and never take risky moves. The sole objective is to win the cup--even if it means mortgaging the future for several years just for that one cup.

The Wings did have some dominance in 2007-2009, but that's over. This so called Detroit model, is something that can't exists in a Cap world.

Also despite what people think, the Wings have had some awful drafting the past decade or so. It's why they have no replacements for top end players.

 

[USE Fi]

You know Babcock left The Wings right ? Name the last Big Free agent to sign in Detriot, or Big Trade target land their...

What does EDM, in development and Coaching, and General management, have to do with LA ? Are you trying to say LA does anything remotely like EDM ? What Hockey team are you talking about ? The Kings right ?

Patiency is a virtue. Keep the core intact and use cap wisely. I was refearind to someone saying its ok to trade nro1 draftpick to keep getting more Lucic etc. and after that you start over its like wave motion try to get cup when so called "window" is open. Sell when player is loosing speed or wants a big raise. Im talking Kings and refearing to Edmontons way to tank and get young core and make them jump right in the action, that after while everyone want Lucic money and its not possible. Not going that wave type but try to stay near the top of the wave and then you get another good player plus core is there and you go for it. Give your young players time to cope to AHL first to get bearings right and then give some time in the big league. Try something new, make it like its nice and relax to came to "work" draft smart and more charecter type players that play team game.

 

[damacles1156]

Patiency is a virtue. Keep the core intact and use cap wisely. I was refearind to someone saying its ok to trade nro1 draftpick to keep getting more Lucic etc. and after that you start over its like wave motion try to get cup when so called "window" is open. Sell when player is loosing speed or wants a big raise. Im talking Kings and refearing to Edmontons way to tank and get young core and make them jump right in the action, that after while everyone want Lucic money and its not possible. Not going that wave type but try to stay near the top of the wave and then you get another good player plus core is there and you go for it. Give your young players time to cope to AHL first to get bearings right and then give some time in the big league. Try something new, make it like its nice and relax to came to "work" draft smart and more charecter type players that play team game.

There is nothing wrong with rebuilding if done correctly. Your core is going to get old, and expensive.

This is a cap league.

The Wings should have rebuilt four years ago. Instead of staring at a rebuild right now.

I realize that is some hindsight, but Lidstrom was retired by then, Dats\Zetts were over 31, with no replacements in sight.

 

[USE Fi]

Lombardi was fully justified in trading draft picks in 2015 and 2016 to take another run at the cup. From 2012-2014 we won two cups and made it to the conference finals. While the iron was hot, we had to take a few more risky chances to win again. Now that we know with certainty that this team is not the same team as 2012, 2013 or 2014, Lombardi is properly adjusting and taking another approach.

Also, the Detroit model doesn't work. They had their success in the 90s, but have done absolutely nothing since then. You can't perpetually focus on drafting and never take risky moves. The sole objective is to win the cup--even if it means mortgaging the future for several years just for that one cup.

DL had to get good defenceman because Voynov. He did`t have to get Lucic.

 

[USE Fi]

There is nothing wrong with rebuilding if done correctly. Your core is going to get old and expensive.

This is a cap league.

If you get nro1 draftpick he wants a 6-7mil per year after his 3year rookie salary

 

[USE Fi]

There is nothing wrong with rebuilding if done correctly. Your core is going to get old, and expensive.

This is a cap league.

The Wings should have rebuilt four years ago. Instead of staring at a rebuild right now.

they drafted pretty good player at nro 15 Larkin, fastest player since Mike Gartner in this league. They sure get lucky all the time.
Zettenberg was 7th round pick up...
Datsuyk 6th round
Lidstrom 3rd round

So much luck

 

[damacles1156]

If you get nro1 draftpick he wants a 6-7mil per year after his 3year rookie salary

If he warrants a 6-7 million dollar salary, he was superstar during that 3 year entry period, and you probably won some Cups/playoff rounds.

Tyler Toffoli is a prime example, the Kings have won a cup with him.

At some point, the Kings will have to rebuild. It's Lombardi's job to find the right time.

 

[damacles1156]

they drafted pretty good player at nro 15 Larkin, fastest player since Mike Gartner in this league. They sure get lucky all the time.
Zettenberg was 7th round pick up...
Datsuyk 6th round
Lidstrom 3rd round

So much luck

Exactly.

Which is why the past ten years of their drafting, has been pretty bad, and they need to rebuild.

If the Kings don't start drafting better like (Now), they will be in the same boat, three years from now.

 

[USE Fi]

If he warrants a 6-7 million dollar salary, he was superstar during that 3 year entry period, and you probably won some Cups/playoff rounds.

Tyler Toffoli is a prime example, the Kings have won a cup with him.

At some point, the Kings will have to rebuild. It's Lombardi's job to find the right time.

What i`m trying to say is i prefer staying close to be contender looong time, make micro rebuilds. Get best trainers, skate sharpeners,etc, get AHL coach on same level and let your own picks play first in AHL and bring them slowly to big league, nice atmosfear and winning mentality for a loooong time it will do that 5% more to everything that employers do. That is what is going on in Detroit and it would not be nice to trade picks like candy and be on the bottom feeder for a another 30 odd years when Lombardi and Futa has long gone and their vision is buried.

I think LA has been drafting pretty well link

 

[damacles1156]

What i`m trying to say is i prefer staying close to be contender looong time, make micro rebuilds. Get best trainers, skate sharpeners,etc, get AHL coach on same level and let your own picks play first in AHL and bring them slowly to big league, nice atmosfear and winning mentality for a loooong time it will do that 5% more to everything that employers do. That is what is going on in Detroit and it would not be nice to trade picks like candy and be on the bottom feeder for a another 30 odd years when Lombardi and Futa has long gone and their vision is buried.

The Kings make AHL players earn their spots. Not sure why that's a concern for you.

You know Sutter is the coach correct ?

 

[USE Fi]

The Kings make AHL players earn their spots. Not sure why that's a concern for you.

You know Sutter is the coach correct ?

Concern is if DL keeps doing what he is, selling and not doing what he said he want to do he will lose his job

Have nothing against Sutter

 

[AlphaBravo]

DL had to get good defenceman because Voynov. He did`t have to get Lucic.

There was no Slava replacement available in the summer of 2015. Also, Slava's future was still uncertain then. After missing the playoffs in the 2014-2015 season, Lombardi needed a game-changing player to make the team competitive again. Lucic provided that extra element we were missing. Unfortunately, the hole on defense was never filled, A-Mart got injured, and the entire team stunk it up in the playoffs.

 

[USE Fi]

There was no Slava replacement available in the summer of 2015. Also, Slava's future was still uncertain then. After missing the playoffs in the 2014-2015 season, Lombardi needed a game-changing player to make the team competitive again. Lucic provided that extra element we were missing. Unfortunately, the hole on defense was never filled, A-Mart got injured, and the entire team stunk it up in the playoffs.

Lombardi said he know they are going to lose to Sharks he said last 15games of the regular season whas really bad hockey from la

 

[USE Fi]

Lombari is best that this team has had ever. He has a goal and there where so much domestic violance, drugs, i dont even today know what Richards did etc. Let he do his job.