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I don't see Kempe staying up for long before he heads down to Ontario. He's still very raw. I also don't see DS going with two rookie centers.
 
Call me crazy, but I'm thinking LaDue makes this team.


(Anyone but McNabb!) / Doughty

Muzzin / LaDue

Martinez / Gilbert


Forbort, Greene, Gravel



For the love of God, PLEASE TRADE McNABB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't see Mersch, Kempe or Setoguchi on the NHL.com roster any longer. All of the other kids on D are still listed.

Update: Mersch, Kempe and Setoguchi still in Vegas with the team. Setoguchi looks like he will be Kopitar's RW tonight.
 
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Hmm, so Ladue is still Up? He's getting a much longer look than any of us predicted before camp.

The Kings would do well to offer Setoguchi a two-way contract. Even if doesn't start the year up, I'd expect to see him up during the season.

(I'very really had it up to he free with Autocorrect.)
 
HookKing said:
I don't see Kempe staying up for long before he heads down to Ontario. He's still very raw. I also don't see DS going with two rookie centers.
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I dont think so either but man he is much better than I thought. cant wait till he's spent a season or so in the AHL and is ready for the Kings :yo:
 
With how much time people have spent criticising other organizations for not developing their prospects correctly, it's a little odd to see people ready to toss players like LaDue right into the fire.

I get it--they don't get experience until they get experience--but there are riper players ready. Dowd is ready. Forbort/Gravel are as ready as they'll ever be. LaDue hasn't even played a pro season. Kempe can't even buy beer (though he'd certainly be more sheltered). I know they fill positions of need, but it also risks long-term damage.

Hell, look at McNabb, who spent a third of a season looking like a #2-#3, a third of a season looking like a #4-#5, and a third of a season looking like an AHLer.
 
As much as we get attached to players, I wonder if it would make sense to move someone like Pearson for a similar valued young offensive center, like Strome (NYI). Our team thrived with depth at C and D. Pearson will also demand more $ next season. He's not the first player we would want to move, but I don't imagine guys like King or Clifford would get the same return.

The islanders have plenty of depth at center and Strome is coming off a bit of a dud year so perhaps he could be available.

It would be nice to have a bit more high end depth and competition at C.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
With how much time people have spent criticising other organizations for not developing their prospects correctly, it's a little odd to see people ready to toss players like LaDue right into the fire.

I get it--they don't get experience until they get experience--but there are riper players ready. Dowd is ready. Forbort/Gravel are as ready as they'll ever be. LaDue hasn't even played a pro season. Kempe can't even buy beer (though he'd certainly be more sheltered). I know they fill positions of need, but it also risks long-term damage.

Hell, look at McNabb, who spent a third of a season looking like a #2-#3, a third of a season looking like a #4-#5, and a third of a season looking like an AHLer.
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I generally agree that prospects need time to develop in the AHL before they get an opportunity in the big club, but sometimes there are talents that can make that immediate jump. LaDue has shown good skating, composure under pressure, smart reads, and puck moving skills that is necessary to play in the NHL. As Sutter said, all he needs is experience. From the preseason games, LaDue has been better than McNabb, Fobert, Gilbert and Gravel. He has simply outplayed these guys. I understand its preseason, but I think his performance warrants at least a 10 game tryout in regular season games. With his level of skill, he wont be a liability (at least not more than any of the other bottom 3 defenseman we have).

We can send Gravel to the AHL since he does not have to pass through waivers, have Greene start in the AHL as well. The lineup could be as follows:

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-LaDue
McNabb-Gilbert

Fobert

I agree though that Kempe should start in the AHL for now. Although I have been very impressed with his play, Dowd and Mersch played equally as good and have more experience on top of that. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a call up if the other bottom 6s falter.
 
DontgoZiggy said:
As much as we get attached to players, I wonder if it would make sense to move someone like Pearson for a similar valued young offensive center, like Strome (NYI). Our team thrived with depth at C and D. Pearson will also demand more $ next season. He's not the first player we would want to move, but I don't imagine guys like King or Clifford would get the same return.

The islanders have plenty of depth at center and Strome is coming off a bit of a dud year so perhaps he could be available.

It would be nice to have a bit more high end depth and competition at C.
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I think the centers we currently have can fill the 3C and 4C holes for now. Dowd and Kempe have shown that they have the skill set to be great at the 3C position. We also have Shore, Lewis, and Latta for the 4C position. I would like to see what these guys can do in a full season before trading someone as valuable as Pearson, considering we are not as deep on the left wing position either.
 
AlphaBravo said:
I generally agree that prospects need time to develop in the AHL before they get an opportunity in the big club, but sometimes there are talents that can make that immediate jump. LaDue has shown good skating, composure under pressure, smart reads, and puck moving skills that is necessary to play in the NHL. As Sutter said, all he needs is experience. From the preseason games, LaDue has been better than McNabb, Fobert, Gilbert and Gravel. He has simply outplayed these guys. I understand its preseason, but I think his performance warrants at least a 10 game tryout in regular season games. With his level of skill, he wont be a liability (at least not more than any of the other bottom 3 defenseman we have).

We can send Gravel to the AHL since he does not have to pass through waivers, have Greene start in the AHL as well. The lineup could be as follows:

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-LaDue
McNabb-Gilbert

Fobert

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That pair would be eaten alive by the big centers in the west. Martinez will play with a shutdown Dman not a puck mover. "Outplay" is meaningless if the roles aren't the same.
 
The Kings looked like the boring typical Kings we expect.

The only way this team can change is too really give the young guys a shot and I'm not saying just letting Forbort and Dowd, who are waiver eligible make the team. I'm talking given Kempe, Mersch and Gravel a shot.

The problem is Lombardi keeps signing guys to take these spots away like Purcell, Gilbert, etc.

I was listening to NHL radio and a lot of other teams just give guys PTO's or let the youth battle for the spots in camp knowing one will snatch it. Instead Lombardi signs Trotman, Latta, Purcell and Gilbert and trades for Scuderi? I'm lost.
 
Johnny Utah said:
The Kings looked like the boring typical Kings we expect.

The only way this team can change is too really give the young guys a shot and I'm not saying just letting Forbort and Dowd, who are waiver eligible make the team. I'm talking given Kempe, Mersch and Gravel a shot.

The problem is Lombardi keeps signing guys to take these spots away like Purcell, Gilbert, etc.

I was listening to NHL radio and a lot of other teams just give guys PTO's or let the youth battle for the spots in camp knowing one will snatch it. Instead Lombardi signs Trotman, Latta, Purcell and Gilbert and trades for Scuderi? I'm lost.
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Setoguchi is on a PTO.

Dowd is almost a lock. Forbort/Gravel are likely to make it. Kempe is getting an extended look. Mersch is in flux, but with injuries may make the roster.

I don't see exactly what your complaint is unless you were saying you want to run a D of Doughty/Muzzin - Gravel/Forbort - Ladue/McNabb instead of some veteran presence, and a forward core of all youth.

The difference between us and some other teams in that case is they have blue-chip offensive prospects that are likely to be top-sixers, we don't (maybe Kempe but anyone who watched him last year knows he will have insane ups and downs). But even then, it's not like any (successful) teams are giving away 10 roster spots to rookies/sophomores.
 
Johnny Utah said:
The Kings looked like the boring typical Kings we expect.

The only way this team can change is too really give the young guys a shot and I'm not saying just letting Forbort and Dowd, who are waiver eligible make the team. I'm talking given Kempe, Mersch and Gravel a shot.

The problem is Lombardi keeps signing guys to take these spots away like Purcell, Gilbert, etc.

I was listening to NHL radio and a lot of other teams just give guys PTO's or let the youth battle for the spots in camp knowing one will snatch it. Instead Lombardi signs Trotman, Latta, Purcell and Gilbert and trades for Scuderi? I'm lost.
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Every team in the league prefers veterans, unless they are forced to play all rookies or sophomores, due to a rebuild. Basically the Kings in 2007-2010.

People are not understanding that with the current Core, and surrounding players, this is a veteran team, until the core is gone and replaced.
 
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If you are bored watching the Kings play, you are going to be that way until Lombardi and his staff are gone.

The players/coaches/staff all believe hockey games are won a certain way, the Kings way, it brought two cups.

Not going to change, until a complete overhaul happens.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Setoguchi is on a PTO.

Dowd is almost a lock. Forbort/Gravel are likely to make it. Kempe is getting an extended look. Mersch is in flux, but with injuries may make the roster.

I don't see exactly what your complaint is unless you were saying you want to run a D of Doughty/Muzzin - Gravel/Forbort - Ladue/McNabb instead of some veteran presence, and a forward core of all youth.

The difference between us and some other teams in that case is they have blue-chip offensive prospects that are likely to be top-sixers, we don't (maybe Kempe but anyone who watched him last year knows he will have insane ups and downs). But even then, it's not like any (successful) teams are giving away 10 roster spots to rookies/sophomores.
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Some people still have an extremely warped sense of what true (Bottom six) players produce or actually do.

I seriously think, folks actually believe every single NHL team (other than the Kings) is running around with 20+ goal scorers stocking their bottom six in spades.

I understand the roster is stale with veterans, but the kids have to actually bring something other than youth and hope to the NHL game.

The Kings haven't had good enough draft picks, or they botched the one's they did have (it happens) the past four years or so. That is starting to show it's ugly head.

Nothing can be done about it, it is , what it is, they can only move forward and except it, as the price you pay to win a few Stanley Cups.
 
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Most teams (a lot of them actually) make the same mistakes Lombardi and Company have made, except, a vast majority of teams, have zero cups to show for it.

We are extremely lucky as Kings fans, to have witnessed Two Stanley Cups.

Now Fire Lombardi/Blake/Sutter please. :)
 
I'll grumble a fair amount, but this is an exciting core to have. Vezina finalist, Selke winner, Norris winner, World Cup participants and Olympians, snipers like Toffoli and solid second-liner Pearson, a committed and cohesive locker room, a team-first philosophy...despite my sardonic comments sometimes, I don't fail to have a lot of appreciation for what we have in this team right now.

Or, what Damacles said.

Okay, back to the snark.
 
PJ Kings Hockey said:
I'll grumble a fair amount, but this is an exciting core to have. Vezina finalist, Selke winner, Norris winner, World Cup participants and Olympians, snipers like Toffoli and solid second-liner Pearson, a committed and cohesive locker room, a team-first philosophy...despite my sardonic comments sometimes, I don't fail to have a lot of appreciation for what we have in this team right now.

Or, what Damacles said.

Okay, back to the snark.
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True enough.

I am actually in favor of firing Lombardi/Sutter. I know that's not going to happen though.

So there is no point in me complaining constantly about how Lombardi has made mistakes since 2014.

It is, what it is. Roll on, this is the team the Kings have.
 
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