Line Combos: 2016-2017 Kings Roster

[KingCanadain1976]

Plays like that are few and far between for Brown these days. It was a great play. Brought back good memories. It's exactly what the Kings need from him. But because he doesn't do that too often anymore, and can barely crack double digit goals despite shooting the puck 1000 times, that's why the Kings have needed to bring in guys like Gaborik and Lucic.

Say what you want about browns decline hitting is not much different he had 234 hits last year He was among the king leaders in that department and was 15th in the league overall So his hitting is not in decline sorry

 

[KingsFan7824]

Say what you want about browns decline hitting is not much different he had 234 hits last year He was among the king leaders in that department and was 15th in the league overall So his hitting is not in decline sorry

Every recorded hit isn't equal to all the rest. 234 hits doesn't tell an entire story. He had 218 shots which was 2nd on the team last year too. How many were dangerous shots?

Maybe that's just the way the Kings have evolved. As Penner, and Richards, and Stoll, and a few other guys have moved on, replaced by Gaborik, and Toffoli, and Shore, and guys like that, they've become a less outright physical team. Brown has maybe just gone with that, throws the puck on net, and plays the percentages.

They're not as good defensively as they have been either, even though they've still been in the top 5 in GA. The evidence of that is in the last 2 years. How many goals in bunches, or blown multiple goal leads have taken place?

 

[Trolfoli]

In other words, I don't get this *****ing about "Get DL and Sutter the memo, skill is the way to go." I'd love to see what your competitive Kings roster for this year looks like?

Sutter memo: Unless you can actually change Sutter's mind about how hockey is played he's going to stick to what he knows. Meaning he isn't going to run out a lineup without at least one physical D.

A "competitive" roster for this year? What are they competing for? Cup or draft?
McNabb/Doughty
Muzzin/Martinez
Gravel/Greene
is probably the most competitive you're going to get this year. It isn't good enough.

Virtually the same roster had 100+ points last season, that's how you make the playoff's. Pearson is only going to miss two games, not an entire season.

As long as Kopitar/Quick/Doughty/Carter/Toffoli/Muzzin are going strong, it's simply too much talent there for the Kings to be a bad team. Why are people acting like the Kings were the Oilers last year.

It's a disaster. It's okay to admit it. The team plays a defense first style. They don't use an uptempo game to take pressure off the defense. The defense isn't solid with the addition of multiple rookies or Gilbert/Scuderi. The team is going to put a lot of pressure on their D and it isn't going to be there. Add to that the forward situation.... No longer being a physical grinding down team... Grinding opponents down was a huge part of what made the Kings successful in the playoffs. They don't have the players for that style. They're stuck with a coach/game plan that doesn't match their personnel. Brown's looking like full time top 6er.... it's pretty bad.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Every recorded hit isn't equal to all the rest. 234 hits doesn't tell an entire story. He had 218 shots which was 2nd on the team last year too. How many were dangerous shots?

Maybe that's just the way the Kings have evolved. As Penner, and Richards, and Stoll, and a few other guys have moved on, replaced by Gaborik, and Toffoli, and Shore, and guys like that, they've become a less outright physical team. Brown has maybe just gone with that, throws the puck on net, and plays the percentages.

They're not as good defensively as they have been either, even though they've still been in the top 5 in GA. The evidence of that is in the last 2 years. How many goals in bunches, or blown multiple goal leads have taken place?

I am defending his physical play so why are you trying to add in his goal scoring and shots That has nothing to do with what i am saying. Stay on topic please I think brown suspension has made him a little less reckless and thats the type of play your wanting However he still hits and was 2nd in the team in hits to lucic who is gone now. He is still playing physical just not as reckless

 

[Kingsfan1]

so opening lineup looks like this?

Brown kopitar purcell
seto carter toffoli
king dowd lewis
clifford shore andreoff
nolan latta

doughty muzzin
martinez gilbert
McNabb greene
forbort

Im almost positive that our lineup will look like this until Gaborik comes back

Brown-Kopitar-Seto
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Clifford-Dowd-Purcell
King-Lewis-Andreoff

Muzzin-Doughty
Forbort-Martinez
Mcnabb-Gilbert
Greene

Once Gabs comes back we could be looking at a forwars group of

Gaborik-Kopitar-Setoguchi
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Brown-Dowd-Purcell
King-Lewis-Clifford

We have many options at forward with our bottom 6 for the first time in many years. I believe we are going to be playing 4 lines much more than previous years. I also believe they are looking for more offense from the bottom 6 and things can change quickly depending on performance from Seto , Purcell , Shore coming back and etc....

The only problem is that we lack true skill to play with Kopi and that has been one of our biggest weaknesses since 2014.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Could you explain this to Sutter and Lombardi?

The Kings haven't been a Heavy team since 2013-14, don't have any idea what you guys are talking about.

Not hitting people, has been a serious problem with this current Kings roster since the last Cup run.

If the Kings actually played heavy, teams would have no ice to skate with.

The current problem with the roster, opposing teams have ENORMOUS amounts of ice to skate with.

Cause the Kings don't play heavy, or hit people anymore.

The Kings don't play a heavy style anymore.

Edit, looks like damacles has already explained it.

Its not just about the heavy style its more of the grinding system that we use that is not effective anymore in todays game . I dont recall many times last year where we creatively entered the offensive zone and made some highlight reel llays to score a goal . Sure getting to fancy can cause many mistakes but almost every team knows that the Kings are going to dump the puck in to forecheck and setup. So other teams took notice and get the puck out fast which leads to a fast break out numbered attack against which most of the time ends up in the back of our net. I feel as though our lineup needs more skill and speed honestly more so than grinding players .

Grinding out pucks has become the past of the NHL. Now its more about skill and creativity which our system tremendously lacks and its evident and sad . King , Clifford, Greene , Scuderi plays such as the above mentioned just dont belong on a team in a cup window . We would be better off icing youth who bring some speed and creativity . These players are dime a dozen and can be replaced internally or through free agency. With Purcell and Seto seems as though we might be headed that way but we will see . Many things point sort of in the right direction but i wont believe it until i see it .

Our drafts as well we have passed on BPA for a grinder type many times and its come back to haunt us . Only this year i felt we went away from that philosohy as im a big fan of Clague and believe he will end up being a top 10 defenseman in the league someday .

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Im almost positive that our lineup will look like this until Gaborik comes back

Brown-Kopitar-Seto
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Clifford-Dowd-Purcell
King-Lewis-Andreoff

Muzzin-Doughty
Forbort-Martinez
Mcnabb-Gilbert
Greene

Once Gabs comes back we could be looking at a forwars group of

Gaborik-Kopitar-Setoguchi
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Brown-Dowd-Purcell
King-Lewis-Clifford

We have many options at forward with our bottom 6 for the first time in many years. I believe we are going to be playing 4 lines much more than previous years. I also believe they are looking for more offense from the bottom 6 and things can change quickly depending on performance from Seto , Purcell , Shore coming back and etc....

The only problem is that we lack true skill to play with Kopi and that has been one of our biggest weaknesses since 2014.

if you re read my post i stated opening day lineup. Your forgetting Pearson is suspended for the first two games

 

[Kingsfan1]

if you re read my post i stated opening day lineup. Your forgetting Pearson is suspended for the first two games

Sorry you are correct . My post is more of what the lineup will look like once Pearson comes back until Gabs heals. I believe Kempe will play in place of Pearson for 2 games and the rest will be the same . Sutter usually likes to use practice and preseason games to build momentum and chemistry and if that holds any truth or fruition then our lineup should look as my post.

 

[Trolfoli]

Its not just about the heavy style its more of the grinding system that we use that is not effective anymore in todays game . I dont recall many times last year where we creatively entered the offensive zone and made some highlight reel llays to score a goal . Sure getting to fancy can cause many mistakes but almost every team knows that the Kings are going to dump the puck in to forecheck and setup. So other teams took notice and get the puck out fast which leads to a fast break out numbered attack against which most of the time ends up in the back of our net. I feel as though our lineup needs more skill and speed honestly more so than grinding players .

Grinding out pucks has become the past of the NHL. Now its more about skill and creativity which our system tremendously lacks and its evident and sad . King , Clifford, Greene , Scuderi plays such as the above mentioned just dont belong on a team in a cup window . We would be better off icing youth who bring some speed and creativity . These players are dime a dozen and can be replaced internally or through free agency. With Purcell and Seto seems as though we might be headed that way but we will see . Many things point sort of in the right direction but i wont believe it until i see it .

Our drafts as well we have passed on BPA for a grinder type many times and its come back to haunt us . Only this year i felt we went away from that philosohy as im a big fan of Clague and believe he will end up being a top 10 defenseman in the league someday .

That's a fine argument to make. I'm stuck on Sutter having a well defined style. He just got resigned for 2 years is it? I don't expect Sutter to make a drastic move in how he coaches, so players that can be successful in a Sutter system are needed.

Also don't think the Kings should be trying to chase what other teams are doing. Get an identity and stick with it. Kings have had success with theirs.

Now the D problem last year was after Martinez got hurt the Kings had 1 defender that could get the puck up the ice. Running Doughty/Martinez with Gravel or LaDue on the 3rd pair may fix the issue with the defense. Of course that's when someone steps up and takes over that role. Which may take more then one year.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I am defending his physical play so why are you trying to add in his goal scoring and shots That has nothing to do with what i am saying. Stay on topic please I think brown suspension has made him a little less reckless and thats the type of play your wanting However he still hits and was 2nd in the team in hits to lucic who is gone now. He is still playing physical just not as reckless

I'm just saying straight numbers without context don't always tell the whole story. I was using other stats and how they relate to Brown's hit totals to show my work.

And I agree with you on Brown's suspension. He had a good 2013 regular season, and the 2013 playoffs went downhill, along with basically everything since then, and that suspension seems to be the line of demarcation.

 

[Fishhead]

I'm just saying straight numbers without context don't always tell the whole story. I was using other stats and how they relate to Brown's hit totals to show my work.

And I agree with you on Brown's suspension. He had a good 2013 regular season, and the 2013 playoffs went downhill, along with basically everything since then, and that suspension seems to be the line of demarcation.

Now that he's not the captain, a face of the franchise, etc., he really shouldn't worry about suspensions any more. It's not like he's going to turn into Torres, he needs that edge back. He doesn't really drive through his checks anymore.

Hoping that the reduced responsibility leads to more vintage Brown play. I'll gladly trade a suspension here and there for a 40-50 point season.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Rosen tweeted the defensive pairings. Looks like Muzzin-LaDue is one of the pairs, which further indicates that Sutter wants to try a Muzzin-Doughty pairing opening night since LaDue is going to get sent down and is just filling Doughty's spot for preseason.

 

[kingsboy11]

Apparently Scuderi didn't make the trip to Vegas. Rosen is saying that we won't know his status until monday

 

[regulate]

 

[Minor Boarding]

Apparently Scuderi didn't make the trip to Vegas. Rosen is saying that we won't know his status until monday

I am guessing Scuderi will put his career on hold (refuse to officially retire) and next year after failing to impress on a PTO somewhere he will retire in PIT mid season..

 

[AlphaBravo]

If Scuderi doesn't want to retire so that he can (rightfully so) collect his paycheck for another year, the Kings can always just send him to the minors and have him go back home to Pittsburgh without actually playing in the minors. That way, Scuderi (a seasoned and reputable defenseman of many years) doesn't have to demean himself by playing with a bunch of kids and still gets paid, while the Kings get the cap relief.

 

[Minor Boarding]

That Erhoff-Scuderi trade was just such a waste of energy.
Actually it's a trade for a: YAWN!

 

[Minor Boarding]

If Scuderi doesn't want to retire so that he can (rightfully so) collect his paycheck for another year, the Kings can always just send him to the minors and have him go back home to Pittsburgh without actually playing in the minors. That way, Scuderi (a seasoned and reputable defenseman of many years) doesn't have to demean himself by playing with a bunch of kids and still gets paid, while the Kings get the cap relief.

Now that you reminded me, what will his CAP against Kings salary cap situation be? Fairly sure, even if send to minors, part of Scuderis salary (200k?) will count against the Kings CAP.

Anybody knows what happens if Scuderi refuses to report to the minors or if a handshake agreement is reached between Scuderi and DL in which Scuderi doesn't get cut to the minors?

 

[head eyes]

That Erhoff-Scuderi trade was just such a waste of energy.
Actually it's a trade for a: YAWN!

One of Dean's most illogical trades ever.

It was dumb when it happened and it's even worse in hindsight.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just think for a moment, Scuderi was dealt to Chicago for Trevor Daley.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Now that you reminded me, what will his CAP against Kings salary cap situation be? Fairly sure, even if send to minors, part of Scuderis salary (200k?) will count against the Kings CAP.

Anybody knows what happens if Scuderi refuses to report to the minors or if a handshake agreement is reached between Scuderi and DL in which Scuderi doesn't get cut to the minors?

I think the cap hit is $125k, which is nothing. Scuderi is Kings property until his contract ends. If Scuderi and Dean agree, on paper, to send him to the AHL, and just have him move back home they can do so.

 

[Trolfoli]

Rosen tweeted the defensive pairings. Looks like Muzzin-LaDue is one of the pairs, which further indicates that Sutter wants to try a Muzzin-Doughty pairing opening night since LaDue is going to get sent down and is just filling Doughty's spot for preseason.

I have zero doubt Sutter wants to run a Muzzin/Doughty pair. The problem is the second pair. Teams try and get their good players away from Doughty meaning they try and load up against the other D pair. Running Muzzin/Doughty leaves McNabb/Martinez or Martinez/Greene or Martinez with any number of rookies for the second pair.

I can't believe all this negativism about Scuderi! He was instrumental in bringing a cup to LA and actually signed here as a free agent. We should be thankful he came home to end his career with the Kings.

Edit: Scuderi, someone must have hacked my account and posted that.

 

[Little Psycho]

Huh our assistant captains haven't been announced yet

 

[Kingsfan1]

So there you have it. I'm guessing our Defensive pairs to start the season will be

Muzzin-Doughty
Mcnabb-Martinez
Forbort-Gilbert
Greene

Gravel-Ladue will be first pair in Ontario.
Cernak-Lintuniemi
Macdermid-Loverde
Sharipzyanov

Who am I missing.

 

[USE Fi]

So there you have it. I'm guessing our Defensive pairs to start the season will be

Muzzin-Doughty
Mcnabb-Martinez
Forbort-Gilbert
Greene

Gravel-Ladue will be first pair in Ontario.
Cernak-Lintuniemi
Macdermid-Loverde
Sharipzyanov

Who am I missing.

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