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Scottkmlps said:
Start playing some ****ing youth on the backend damnit. Enough with Scuderi & Greene.
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I wouldn't worry. That year we first won the Cup..... 2011/2012 ...... we started the season with a couple of characters in our bottom 6 who had zero business being there (Moreau & Hunter....and even Westgarth!!!). Then the season started and those guys fell by the wayside and King & Nolan were recalled and the rest is history.


Worry not!!! :yo:
 
Basilisk said:
I wouldn't worry. That year we first won the Cup..... 2011/2012 ...... we started the season with a couple of characters in our bottom 6 who had zero business being there (Moreau & Hunter....and even Westgarth!!!). Then the season started and those guys fell by the wayside and King & Nolan were recalled and the rest is history.


Worry not!!! :yo:
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Not exactly, when they were recalled the Kings went on to lose something like 5 out of the next 6. The "history" part happened when DL swindled lumbus to get Carter.
 
HookKing said:
Not exactly, when they were recalled the Kings went on to lose something like 5 out of the next 6. The "history" part happened when DL swindled lumbus to get Carter.
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The point is, those old guys were replaced on the roster by younger guys as the season progressed. I see the same thing happening with Greene & Scuderi......
 
Basilisk said:
The point is, those old guys were replaced on the roster by younger guys as the season progressed. I see the same thing happening with Greene & Scuderi......
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I hope you are right. The blue line as currently shaping up is a dysfunctional mess. In fact, it is pretty much the same mess as last year. The Kings may have enough talent to contend for a playoff spot but will go no where unless major changes happen.
 
The plan might be for one of Scuds or Greene to be in the lineup in the beginning of the year while they're still fresh. I wouldn't want either guy playing with the big club though, both aren't capable of playing at that level any more. Hopefully 2 of Gravel/Forbort/Gilbert/Trotman make it instead...
 
Sutter loves the crusty vets, that's a fact. The Sutter brothers had a lunch pail mentality, not a lot of skill but they would grind you down. Why anybody thinks a rookie will be GIVEN a spot by Darryl Sutter is beyond me. How many years do you have to see him coach to realize his tendencies? This is a meat and potatoes squad with some elite talent sprinkled around. And don't forget-Forbort has been a stud wherever he has played since he was a child. He was THE MAN. Now he will have to elevate his game while playing on the bottom pair for 10 minutes a night. Guys like Greene and Scuderi know how to sit on the bench for 50 minutes a night. Guys like Gravel and Forbot DO NOT, they never have but if they want to play for the Kings they're gonna have to learn in a few games during the pre season.
 
I think one of Greene and Scuderi will be on the team come opening night. Knowing Sutter, he will try to give them a chance to reclaim their former glory. However, I think they will be on a short leash if they start to under perform.

Since no team will grab Scuderi or Greene off waivers, the defenseman not chosen will be sent down to the AHL club. If Forbort is not traded come opening night, he will be in the lineup as the 7th defenseman. As much as I would like to see Gravel in the opening lineup, he can clear waivers, so it is best to start him off in the minors until the inevitable crappy play of Greene/Scuderi.

The pairings should look something like this:

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Gilbert
McNabb-Greene

Forbort

This lineup is balanced with left-right pairings. If Greene is eventually sent down, I would push Gilbert down to the bottom pairing with McNabb, move Martinez to the right side since he can play both sides, and pair him with Gravel on the left.

Muzzin-Doughty
Gravel-Martinez
McNabb-Gilbert
 
Most coaches love crusty vets. Most coaches do most of the things that most people complain about most of the time.
 
Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Gilbert
Scuderi-Greene
McNabb

Let McNabb play 17games.
Lose: Forbort, Trotman at waiver and trade Gravel at deadline for some old forward.

I`m hopping on the negative train.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
And most old coaches are stubborn and can't adapt to change, prime example being John Tortorella.
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Maybe not so much can't as don't want to. Although to get to the point of being an old coach, you have to be doing something right. Maybe it's just being in the right profession, where you're hired to be fired. Unless most GM's just go with what they know too, and hire a crusty old vet as coach that they can trust because they've coached for so long because they play crusty old vets they can trust. Crust begets crust.

Then along comes a young whippersnapper, but if they coach long enough, they become crusty too, because they've probably been fired at some point as they get older, and then to try and keep their next job they'll play a crusty old vet that they can trust, which is how GM's can trust them next time they need a coach, which is how GM's get people to trust them enough to hire them again after they get fired.
 
I do wonder how players respond to hearing the same voice and hearing the same message for five or more seasons. Does the coach start to do things different to surprise the players? If not, does it all become a routine and the players just tune the coach out seeing as how they already know the coach's tired old methods?

We all know what type of style to expect from Sutter and we all know what Lombardi's preference is, so if we've grown accustom to these guys, how do the players react to hearing that same voice for so long?

I mean, there was a bit of an issue if you go back to the 14-15 season when Dustin Brown locked out Sutter from his own locker room. Of course the organization spun it to make it seem like it was no big deal, but you ever hear of Yzerman trying to pull of crap like that with Scott Bowman? That would never happen.
 
HookKing said:
Not exactly, when they were recalled the Kings went on to lose something like 5 out of the next 6. The "history" part happened when DL swindled lumbus to get Carter.
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And only with his back up against a wall. If the Kings aren't on their way to missing the playoffs, Lombardi never makes that hail mary Carter trade.
 
Bruce Boudreau keeps getting hired, despite being an absolute failure in the playoff's with stacked teams.

Barry Trotz as well, That tells you, all you need to know about the cycle of coaches.

Only one head coach/gm/team/18-20 players, get to win the Stanly Cup each year.

Mike Babcock is widely considered the best coach in Hockey, he has one single Cup win, and has not advanced to the third round of the playoff's since 2008-09(That's almost a decade ago).

Chew on that for a sec...
 
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Boudreau's leash with his two previous teams was 5 years. Trotz was in Nashville for 15 seasons.

They kind of align with what I was suggesting with players at some point no longer processing the same old message that the coach is preaching, like what happened in Pittsburgh until Sullivan stepped in.

Coaches need to learn to adapt. As does management. Didn't Lombardi concede that message after last season's failure in his end of the season meeting with the media?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Boudreau's leash with his two previous teams was 5 years. Trotz was in Nashville for 15 seasons.

They kind of align with what I was suggesting with players at some point no longer processing the same old message that the coach is preaching, like what happened in Pittsburgh until Sullivan stepped in.

Coaches need to learn to adapt. As does management. Didn't Lombardi concede that message after last season's failure in his end of the season meeting with the media?
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What Lombardi say's, and does is different.

What exactly has Lombardi changed ? Actual real change ? Sutter is still coaching the Kings.

The Kings are still built the same, and will play roughly the same(I would bet money on it).

The Kings need to hit people more, that is about the only thing Lombardi's (team) is losing identity with.
 
Real change is:

Sutter would not have been asked back.
Greene:Buy-out
Someone like A-Mart/Carter traded to re-coop some assets to get younger/better.

Not advocating those moves, just pointing out, something like that is actual real (change).

So they stripped Brown of the (C), so what..
 
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Former Coyotes & Canadiens fwd Lucas Lesio will attend LA Kings training camp as an invitee. Was 2nd round pick in 2011, played 41 NHL games
 
Tortz is like any coach really.

There is a reason guys like Trevor Lewis are coach favorites.

There are reasons Crosby/Malkin/Ovi frustrate coaches to no end.
 
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