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2016-2017 Kings Roster Talk Part IV

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Ziggy Stardust said:
Dumbass Toronto media is at it again...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/will-the-leafs-have-their-eye-on-doughty-this-offeseason~1108439
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Dumbass? This guy nailed it.

The Kings have drifted off into the abyss when it comes to being a Stanley Cup contender? CHECK

Rumors Doughty wouldn't be opposed to leaving LA after a great run? CHECK

Doughty is from the Toronto area? CHECK

The Kings can't wait on a big decision like this forever though. The longer they wait the less the return. Either talk to Doughty and get convinced he is going to stay on a reasonable deal, or trade him.
 
They said the Kings will be looking at a rebuild, when that doesn't appear to be happening at all. The Kings will likely do everything in their power to retain Doughty. It's baseless speculation on their part, and wishful thinking.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
They said the Kings will be looking at a rebuild, when that doesn't appear to be happening at all. The Kings will likely do everything in their power to retain Doughty. It's baseless speculation on their part, and wishful thinking.
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This might be what the Kings are advertising right now, but what if Doughty sees the writing on the wall and wants to leave when his contract expires?

The guy wants to win, and Toronto could be very appealing to him.

It's not baseless speculation. It all fits. The rest of the league can see the Kings are not going to be contenders for quite some time. The pressure is going to build on the Kings to do something with Doughty until they get a commitment from him.

If I were Doughty, I wouldn't commit to anything with the Kings organization. That's how GM Rob Blake played it when he was in a similar situation.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Dumbass? This guy nailed it.

The Kings have drifted off into the abyss when it comes to being a Stanley Cup contender? CHECK

Rumors Doughty wouldn't be opposed to leaving LA after a great run? CHECK

Doughty is from the Toronto area? CHECK

The Kings can't wait on a big decision like this forever though. The longer they wait the less the return. Either talk to Doughty and get convinced he is going to stay on a reasonable deal, or trade him.
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I always get a kick out of this when it's mentioned. I think a majority of NHLers from the GTA would rather not play with the Leafs. The media is just silly around these parts as are the fans.

The players enjoy being able to actually go about their day to day business without being mobbed by the media/fans and that was allegedly one of the primary reasons why Stamkos stayed in TB.

But if this a discussion, we might as well throw Detroit in the mix as well as London is roughly the same distance from London as T.O. If he goes, he'll look better in a Wings jersey anyhow. :naughty:
 
Blake treated his negotiations as such because the Kings presented their offers with idle threats and ultimatums. I doubt they'd insult one of their best players like that.

They don't have sniveling ***** like Tim Leiweke and Kevin Gilmore to botch things up like they did with Blake, Luc, and just about every RFA who wound up as hold outs (and missed training camps) all due to their incompetence.

Doughty wants to grow into a leader and be a driving force in turning this team into a contender again. It's like the Stamkos situation all over again.
 
lol, more proof we were the walking wounded all year. Not only one of the worst injured teams--especially to impact players--but also players playing on pending knee treatments.

INB4 the Kopitar bashing restarts
 
no surprise about Toffoli, he wasnt playing like he was remotely close to 100% after returning from IR. hopefully everyone will be healthy and pissed off come October
 
theMajor said:
no surprise about Toffoli, he wasnt playing like he was remotely close to 100% after returning from IR. hopefully everyone will be healthy and pissed off come October
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Didn't his girlfriend just post pictures of them hiking and what looked to be ziplining over the weekend? Or I guess maybe he did all that and had the procedure done yesterday/today.
 
No surprise at all that Kopitar isn't on the list. Doesn't mean he wasn't banged up but this board is usually wrong when it comes to "He must be injured" when a player is not playing well. He must have been hurt in the '13 playoffs and the '15 season as well.

Not bashing the guy. He just sucked last season. If we are all going to speculate, I'm much more of a fan of the "Had his second kid" theory.

Fun fact: Kopitar's two worst pro seasons (2015 and 2017) both featured the birth of a child during the season.

As for Gaborik, the left knee is the one that was injured in 2016. I was going to comment yesterday that maybe they rushed him back that year but decided against it: now they are saying it is a "chronic" issue so now I'm thinking that may have been the case.
 
http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/04/11/notes-bits-advance-press-conference-greene-back-surgery/

Expect to see the Kings take a different approach towards player acquisition this off-season when compared to 2016. Last summer, based on conversations with hockey operations executives, the organization wanted to get a firmer sense of where exactly its kids were at, and that approach impacted off-season personnel decisions that were of the low-risk, low-reward variety that ultimately did not bear fruit while the rest of the division improved. Kevin Gravel, and later Paul LaDue, Adrian Kempe and Jonny Brodzinski joined the team, but the off-season stopgap free agent pickups did not offer any positive impact on the team whatsoever. Michael Latta and Zach Trotman were brought in as depth players expected to compete for roles, but, barring injury or, in Trotman’s case, the possibility that Matt Greene might not be ready to start the season on the active roster, they were ticketed for the American Hockey League, based on multiple conversations with team management. Devin Setoguchi was not expected to make the team when he was signed to a PTO over the summer, but because of Marian Gaborik’s injury at the World Cup and his own strong camp, earned a role. But Jeff Zatkoff and Teddy Purcell – two players who signed SPCs to play on the Kings this past season – did not pan out. Lombardi was never one to shy away from a bold trade, but the Kings have never been a team at the forefront of July 1 free agent acquisitions. While the team has to be cognizant of the capital that should be invested in new contracts for Tyler Toffoli and Tanner Pearson, I won’t be surprised if the team is more proactive in personnel decisions to secure the most capital possible to acquire skill and speed and boost a moribund offense come late June and early July.
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BigKing said:
No surprise at all that Kopitar isn't on the list. Doesn't mean he wasn't banged up but this board is usually wrong when it comes to "He must be injured" when a player is not playing well. He must have been hurt in the '13 playoffs and the '15 season as well.

Not bashing the guy. He just sucked last season. If we are all going to speculate, I'm much more of a fan of the "Had his second kid" theory.

Fun fact: Kopitar's two worst pro seasons (2015 and 2017) both featured the birth of a child during the season.

As for Gaborik, the left knee is the one that was injured in 2016. I was going to comment yesterday that maybe they rushed him back that year but decided against it: now they are saying it is a "chronic" issue so now I'm thinking that may have been the case.
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Well Kopitar was wearing a giant brace on his wrist all season. So maybe he was injured and as the season went along it got better (which coincides with his #'s also getting better as the season went on).
 
kovacro said:
I always get a kick out of this when it's mentioned. I think a majority of NHLers from the GTA would rather not play with the Leafs. The media is just silly around these parts as are the fans.

The players enjoy being able to actually go about their day to day business without being mobbed by the media/fans and that was allegedly one of the primary reasons why Stamkos stayed in TB.

But if this a discussion, we might as well throw Detroit in the mix as well as London is roughly the same distance from London as T.O. If he goes, he'll look better in a Wings jersey anyhow. :naughty:
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Yeah, but I don't think Doughty is one of them. Plus he and Babcock have a good relationship.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/19/doughty-says-babs-can-can-turn-the-leafs-around

“The bigger the game, the better he plays,†Babcock said. “He can stickhandle in a phone booth, he can shoot it. Got the big puck carry. Doesn’t mind drilling you the odd time. He’s a real hockey player. He likes it and he has fun with it.â€

The admiration goes the other way, as Doughty enjoyed playing for Babcock in the past two Olympics.

“I love Babs as a coach,†Doughty said, his front teeth somewhere else and sporting at least a week’s worth of growth on his cheeks.

“He is very demanding as a coach. He tells you exactly what he wants. I think he is a great coach and I think he can turn (the Leafs) around.â€
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WHOneedsSOX said:
Well Kopitar was wearing a giant brace on his wrist all season. So maybe he was injured and as the season went along it got better (which coincides with his #'s also getting better as the season went on).
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Yeah, he definitely got banged up at some point but his wrist is a long way from his legs. It wasn't just offense but his defensive game as well.

I've got two kids and two bad season for Kopitar. If he has another kid and puts up another off-year, that is a legit trend and will be gospel.
 
Everyone is always losing their Canadian free agent to Toronto, but this isn't the no-cap era anymore. The Kings aren't even smart enough to not sign a 29 year old Doughty to the biggest deal they possibly can, so there's not much to worry about. Other than the cap hit.
 
Muzzin

You think Colorado is still looking to get rid of Landeskog. Wonder if they would take Muzzin, Brown and a 3rd. Protect Forbort as a 3rd D. Clears about $4million in salary. Colorado has about $18 million in cap space and only one RFA due a major raise that I can see. Kings have about $14 million with two players getting major raises.

Defense would be Doughty, Martinez, McNabb, Forbort, Gravel, LaDue and Greene and maybe a depth UFA
 
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