2016-2017 Kings Roster Talk Part IV

[kingsfan28]

The reason i went with 4 years is he can still sign another deal after without it ending up as a 35+ deal

Yes quick is the better goalie but the real question is how much better will we be if we can get some scoring and have bishop to replace quick I say we would be a playoff team

Quick is a proven playoff wining goalie. Bishop has a good run in the playoffs, but never like Quick.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Quick is a proven playoff wining goalie. Bishop has a good run in the playoffs, but never like Quick.

Totally agree however if the kings don't start scoring more goals what good is that? Also that is Quick's 2nd major injury how many more to come? Also signed way longer then he should be Can we realistically expect him to play out his contract?

 

[KingsFan7824]

If you can get out of the contract, probably should do something like that, if they're rebuilding, which it doesn't sound like they are. Doubt they trade Quick to a team they're fighting against for a playoff spot.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Quick is the pulse of this team. The only player that competes every single night. He earns every cent.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Quick is the pulse of this team. The only player that competes every single night. He earns every cent.

If it makes the team better overall I would trade anyone and this would imo

 

[Reclamation Project]

I don't see Bishop signing for that kind of money, he's a top goalie in the league.

Kings shouldn't trade their best player and biggest competitor away.

I still think Quick is the best goalie in the league when he's healthy and firing on all cylinders.

 

[mattgkg]

according to a few different radio shows and twitter Yzerman is actively shopping Drouin for a #2-3 defenseman and had a deal for shattenkirk that fell through. Have to wonder if the kings mindset on size/skill has changed at all.

 

[AlphaBravo]

according to a few different radio shows and twitter Yzerman is actively shopping Drouin for a #2-3 defenseman and had a deal for shattenkirk that fell through. Have to wonder if the kings mindset on size/skill has changed at all.

I would do Muzzin + for Drouin in a heartbeat. The guy is a competitor and dynamic. Surprised that he would be traded though. I would trade Palat or Johnson before trading Drouin.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

I would do Muzzin + for Drouin in a heartbeat. The guy is a competitor and dynamic. Surprised that he would be traded though. I would trade Palat or Johnson before trading Drouin.

He's probably going to be the most difficult negotiation. And probably the largest cap hit as well. Under those circumstances it makes a bit more sense.

Losing Muzzin in any deal, to me, requires a replacement. I would make an attempt at Karl Alzner in free agency.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Totally agree however if the kings don't start scoring more goals what good is that? Also that is Quick's 2nd major injury how many more to come? Also signed way longer then he should be Can we realistically expect him to play out his contract?

You do realize that Bishop's cap hit would probably end up being more than Quick's, unless, you know, you are giving him an 8 year deal, going 2 years longer than Quick's deal. You talk about Quick and injuries, well take a look at these two lists:

2016-2017 Dec 21 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2015-2016 May 14 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2015-2016 Jan 1 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Jun 10 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Jun 7 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 31 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 16 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Apr 9 Wrist day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 31 Upper-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 30 Left game - upper-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 6 Sprained right wrist day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 5 Left game - upper-body injury day-to-day


2016-2017 Oct 13 Lower-body injury IR
2015-2016 Feb 10 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Nov 13 Strained groin day-to-day

Take a guess which is Quick's and which is Bishop's.

 

[Cook24]

He's probably going to be the most difficult negotiation. And probably the largest cap hit as well. Under those circumstances it makes a bit more sense.

Losing Muzzin in any deal, to me, requires a replacement. I would make an attempt at Karl Alzner in free agency.

Paging Slava Voynov... same cap hit as Muzzin, wouldn't cost us assets,.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Paging Slava Voynov... same cap hit as Muzzin, wouldn't cost us assets,.

Oh god, please stop people.

 

[Cook24]

Oh god, please stop people.

You do know that Mayor has said management is really looking into bringing him back? Mayors been spot on lately, so whether you like it or not, it's a real possibility.

 

[KingsFan7824]

He's probably going to be the most difficult negotiation. And probably the largest cap hit as well. Under those circumstances it makes a bit more sense.

Losing Muzzin in any deal, to me, requires a replacement. I would make an attempt at Karl Alzner in free agency.

Unless they're opening up enough cap space, they're probably not replacing anyone with an established player.

 

[tny760]

You do know that Mayor has said management is really looking into bringing him back? Mayors been spot on lately, so whether you like it or not, it's a real possibility.

the media circus if that happened would be the funniest thing to ever happen to the NHL, good lord.. as if people didn't hate the kings enough, then hit that soft spot with SJW activism at an all-time high

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Unless they're opening up enough cap space, they're probably not replacing anyone with an established player.

Agreed. Implied solutions are implied.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

You do realize that Bishop's cap hit would probably end up being more than Quick's, unless, you know, you are giving him an 8 year deal, going 2 years longer than Quick's deal. You talk about Quick and injuries, well take a look at these two lists:

2016-2017 Dec 21 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2015-2016 May 14 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2015-2016 Jan 1 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Jun 10 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Jun 7 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 31 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 16 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Apr 9 Wrist day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 31 Upper-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 30 Left game - upper-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 6 Sprained right wrist day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 5 Left game - upper-body injury day-to-day


2016-2017 Oct 13 Lower-body injury IR
2015-2016 Feb 10 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Nov 13 Strained groin day-to-day

Take a guess which is Quick's and which is Bishop's.

How many game did each miss when they were out? Most of Bishop were day to day Quicks were all long term Apples and oranges my friend

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How many game did each miss when they were out? Most of Bishop were day to day Quicks were all long term Apples and oranges my friend

Quick put off back surgery to win us a Cup.

Quick is also the 13th highest cap amongst goalies currently, likely to be lower than that after some new deals are signed (unless the market has finally corrected for goalies and GMs show some restraint).

There are better places for savings. Cutting 1-2 million to rip the heart out of the team for a marginal upgrade? Little too bold for Blake I think.

 

[Reclamation Project]

You do realize that Bishop's cap hit would probably end up being more than Quick's, unless, you know, you are giving him an 8 year deal, going 2 years longer than Quick's deal. You talk about Quick and injuries, well take a look at these two lists:

2016-2017 Dec 21 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2015-2016 May 14 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2015-2016 Jan 1 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Jun 10 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Jun 7 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 31 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 16 Lower-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Apr 9 Wrist day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 31 Upper-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 30 Left game - upper-body injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 6 Sprained right wrist day-to-day
2013-2014 Jan 5 Left game - upper-body injury day-to-day


2016-2017 Oct 13 Lower-body injury IR
2015-2016 Feb 10 Undisclosed injury day-to-day
2013-2014 Nov 13 Strained groin day-to-day

Take a guess which is Quick's and which is Bishop's.

I edited my post and originally wrote that my gut says Bishop has been injured more than Quick. This confirms it.

 

[Herby]

As far as Voynov coming back.

It's a different animal now with Blake/Luc + new coach in charge. It was going to be a PR issue no matter what, but do they want to mess with that as one of their first moves? Quite a bit different when you had a GM who had been here a decade and won 2 Stanley Cup's.

And Dean may have been surprised that he was fired after this season, but he surely knew another disastrous year would have for sure been it for him, that gave him the incentive to risk the PR backlash to get a top 3 d-man back. Blake isn't under that kind of pressure.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Quick put off back surgery to win us a Cup.

Quick is also the 13th highest cap amongst goalies currently, likely to be lower than that after some new deals are signed (unless the market has finally corrected for goalies and GMs show some restraint).

There are better places for savings. Cutting 1-2 million to rip the heart out of the team for a marginal upgrade? Little too bold for Blake I think.

I get it quick is a god best goalie ever in a kings uniform I agree 100% However the return in the trade would be more then worth it. We need a young winger on a elc to play with Kopitar asap. Trading quick would get one. I get we probably don't want to trade with someone in our conference battling them for playoff spot However the kings have shown that the goalie position can get similar stats (perhaps slightly better) without him. We need to score more goals its not a secret Now yes quick is cheap but will he last his whole deal ? I highly doubt his style and flexibility last over that length of a deal. We talk about selling high all the time in here One year early before you can't Quick is still in a good position to get value. Another injury or two done and we are stuck with his deal. I think a scoring winger would be a huge upgrade if we resign bishop to take quick spot. Bishop is alot better at one thing then quick his puck play This team need to get more offense and i think having bishop handle the puck up to the forward would get the team a few breakaways.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I edited my post and originally wrote that my gut says Bishop has been injured more than Quick. This confirms it.

Again most of the injuries are day to day I think its would be a lot easier to cover them injuries with a backup then ones like quick where hes gone for 40+ games at a time but hey thats just me

 

[KingsFan7824]

I get it quick is a god best goalie ever in a kings uniform I agree 100% However the return in the trade would be more then worth it. We need a young winger on a elc to play with Kopitar asap. Trading quick would get one.

If there's one position that's tough to assume good value, it's goalie. If you're thinking Ehlers, slow down. Might be more likely to get Wheeler than Ehlers, just because of the age and contract, but it would be unlikely for them to trade their captain. I'm sure Winnipeg likes their young forwards on ELC's too. I'd say tamp down those hopes a bit.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

If there's one position that's tough to assume good value, it's goalie. If you're thinking Ehlers, slow down. Might be more likely to get Wheeler than Ehlers, just because of the age and contract, but it would be unlikely for them to trade their captain. I'm sure Winnipeg likes their young forwards on ELC's too. I'd say tamp down those hopes a bit.

As stated later in the quote u chopped off i said winnipeg may not be the right choice i get it trading in the conference is not a good idea However trading him east to someone needing a elite goalie and has the youth we need is the move i would look into.

 

[KingsFan7824]

As stated later in the quote u chopped off i said winnipeg may not be the right choice i get it trading in the conference is not a good idea However trading him east to someone needing a elite goalie and has the youth we need is the move i would look into.

It's not even Winnipeg, it's just in general. Every team wants young productive players on their ELC's. Goalies just aren't that valuable. The problem is only one can play at any given time. Jones, Lehner, Schneider, Andersen, they all got 1st round picks in return. That's not a guy that's shown he can score in the NHL on his ELC, that's a who knows who the pick will turn out to be kind of trade.