The only thing I agree with you on is the last line of my original post that they were a marginal contender going into this year. The Kings are not clearly better than Calgary and certainly not better than Edmonton talent wise. The Oilers have better forwards an the big difference on the back line is the Kings have DD and the Oiler do not. Both Calgary and Edmonton are young and seem to be on the way up. One playoff win in 3 years speaks very loudly about being a playoff team.
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The only thing I agree with you on is the last line of my original post that they were a marginal contender going into this year. The Kings are not clearly better than Calgary and certainly not better than Edmonton talent wise. The Oilers have better forwards an the big difference on the back line is the Kings have DD and the Oiler do not. Both Calgary and Edmonton are young and seem to be on the way up. One playoff win in 3 years speaks very loudly about being a playoff team.
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Taking a run at a cup doesn't mean one playoff win in three seasons.
Taking a run at a cup means getting at least to the Western Conference Final.
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I mock "taking a run at a cup", because it leads fans right back into the trap of "anything can happen in the playoffs" BS the Kings ran for years BEFORE Lombardi arrived.
What did Lombardi do? He didn't just try to make the playoffs. He tore it down and did a rebuild. Granted he had some pieces in the system in Brown, Kopitar, and Quick, but remember when Dean took over Kopitar and Quick hadn't played a game in the NHL yet.
Dean needs to get back to this kind of thinking, or let someone else take the wheel.
Why is it whenever another team is playing well they have insane luck, and when the Kings are playing like dog**** it's a combo of **** luck injuries, etc.?
NEWS FLASH: The Kings are not in the playoffs because there are at least three teams in their division better than the Kings.
Edit: Laughable that you say the Kings are clearly better than Edmonton. Edmonton almost won the division. They are and up and coming young team and clearly have more talent on their roster than the Kings. Once the Oilers get over the little mental block they have a Staples Center the Kings will be lucky to play .500 hockey against Edmonton.
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How could AEG think that, when you lost Quick for pretty much the entire season.
No team is even a play-off contender missing their Starting Goalie, also the 14 million dollar man having a career worst season.
It would have taken a miracle season for the Kings to even make the wild card.
Kings almost pulled it off.
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For fun, below is a roster I developed for the offseason. Total cap hit based on the below is about $69 million, giving us about $4 million to play around with. Obviously this is just theoretically and relies on certain factors, but I think we have some flexibility next year. I personally think it will be key to sign Toffoli and Pearson together for $10 million, and try to land a game-changer like Oshie in the offseason. I am also not certain if Iginla will sign for such a low amount to come back, but I don't see any other teams interested in him considering the trend in the league to go young and fast. I think his presence will be key because we are missing heart and soul players like Richards on this team.
Oshie ($6,750,000)-Kopitar ($10MM)-Brodzinksi ($900,000)
Pearson ($5MM)-Carter ($5,272,727)-Toffoli ($5MM)
Brown ($5,875,000)-Kempe($894,167)-Iginla ($1MM)
Andreoff ($650,000)-Dowd ($640,000)-Clifford ($1.6MM)
Nolan($950,000)
Forbort ($650,000)-Doughty($7MM)
Muzzin ($4MM)-LaDue($1MM)
McNabb($1.7MM)-Gravel ($800,000)
Quick($5.8MM)
Budaj ($800,000)
Martinez traded for a 1st rounder and prospect
Greene placed on LTIR
Lewis picked up by Vegas
Gaborik buyout cap hit ($1,125,000)
Richards ($1,570,000)
Oshie ($6,750,000)-Kopitar ($10MM)-Brodzinksi ($900,000)
Pearson ($5MM)-Carter ($5,272,727)-Toffoli ($5MM)
Brown ($5,875,000)-Kempe($894,167)-Iginla ($1MM)
Andreoff ($650,000)-Dowd ($640,000)-Clifford ($1.6MM)
Nolan($950,000)
Forbort ($650,000)-Doughty($7MM)
Muzzin ($4MM)-LaDue($1MM)
McNabb($1.7MM)-Gravel ($800,000)
Quick($5.8MM)
Budaj ($800,000)
Martinez traded for a 1st rounder and prospect
Greene placed on LTIR
Lewis picked up by Vegas
Gaborik buyout cap hit ($1,125,000)
Richards ($1,570,000)
I can't see Amart fetching a 1st +. I would prefer one or more of the lefties get traded for another RHD. That might mess up the $$ though.
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I think it will depend on the type of 1st rounder coming back. Although, I could see Dallas making a risky move to get AMart for their 1st considering they are not rebuilding and need help on defense. Also, in the above scenario we might be able to keep AMart since there will be $4 million open.
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Nick Shore had a very good season, for a guy that played mostly 4th/3rd Center, and very little PP time. Also logged decent PK time.
Trevor Lewis also had a career year goal production wise.
Lewis Scored 11 ES goals 12 total, more ES goals than Kopitar.
Dustin Brown had a slightly better season as well. If Brown could return to being at least a 40 point player, that would be good for the Kings.
Trevor Lewis also had a career year goal production wise.
Lewis Scored 11 ES goals 12 total, more ES goals than Kopitar.
Dustin Brown had a slightly better season as well. If Brown could return to being at least a 40 point player, that would be good for the Kings.
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Pearson and Martinez also had career highs in points. Carter had his best year as a King, even with going as cold as ice after the bye week. Not everyone sucked. Mostly just Kopitar, Toffoli, and Muzzin.
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Sucks that Gaborik seems so far gone we don't even bother acknowledging him anymore.
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Kopitar had a good second half. Almost PPG. But yeah, those three really hurt us this year.
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I forget he's in the lineup. Like last night. Wonder how Dean will get out of another messy contract with that one.
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How do you figure? Trading Carter signals a very obvious plan of getting younger/acquiring more picks. How is it panicking?
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Dean should seriously look at the possibility of landing Sheahan this summer
LA should be his home
Dean should seriously look at the possibility of landing Sheahan this summer
LA should be his home
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That's not panicking, and any good GM would at least listen to that call, and depending on what the other GM is offering, they should consider it. I love Carter and all goals that wrister has brought, his leadership and Budaj's goaltending were the only thing keeping the team's head above for most of the year. But he'll turn 33 in Jan and it's the 2nd consecutive year he's had a severe drop off/goal drought after the all star break. And eventually that date will move back some. It's got more to do with building a better team and if that offer is for a young top center or winger with a top prospect and high pick, you take it.
It's not about Carter , it's about making the Kings younger and better for next year and beyond. And he'll never have more trade value than he does now.
The Kings are a good team, but they are not elite and have not been for three years now. The competition is getting younger and faster and next season will only be tougher.
I didn't have the Kings in the playoffs before the season started because of what I've seen from them, or the lack thereof for 3 yrs and the questionable decisions DL has made over the past 3 years and how it stunted this team. They were almost in a WC position when Quick came back, and got worse.
KEmpe, Brodz and maybe Mersch next year will be a good thing, but as much as they are the Kings top prospects, they are not NHL top prospects. Other Doughty, the core is aging (Kopi and quick both in their 30's ). One playoff win in 3 years is not a blueprint for success and the owners gave DL one last shot last season.
It's time for a change and if trading Carter now or by Mar 1 next yr, brings back a high return, or even overpayment, a smart GM makes that trade.
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Well... on the bright side Carter, Pearson, Martinez, Brown, Lewis, Shore, and Clifford had a better year production wise so thats good... I guess.
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I mean, the reverse psychology here is so crazy, it just might work!
Riley Sheahan, Kopi's new winger.
biggest outlier here is I don't think Martinez gets a first let alone a first and a prospect.
The rest is at least plausible.
I think Muzzin can be used to bring in that youth offensively while being able to keep Carter in the fold. Below deals would make my day which likely means they are too one-sided favoring LA.
Muzzin for Kapenen + pick,
Muzzin + something small for Sam Reinhart
Muzzin for Sherbak plus 1st
Muzzin for Zacha + pick
Muzzin for L. Brown + 1st
They are in no specific order, but my preference would be to try and get Reinhart
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If the Kings are going to trade Carter they better do it this offseason. Who knows what will happen at the start of the 2017-2018 season. He might go on a scoring drought and his value will suddenly plummet. As things stand now, he is signed on a good contract, came off a fantastic season, and has two stanley cup rings. I think a team like the Blues, Caps, Nashville etc. that have never been able to get over that hump and win a cup may look to a player like Carter to be the difference maker.
That said, I am not in favor of trading Carter unless we are getting a young 2C and a first rounder in return.
That said, I am not in favor of trading Carter unless we are getting a young 2C and a first rounder in return.
With his playoff history alone I think Martinez should get a first. Probably not with a good prospect though, more of either/or. It would be much tougher to get a good return in the off-season obviously.
Unless he does get at least a first, I don't think it's worth it to trade him. If the team is hell-bent on trading a defenseman, Muzzin is the best choice as some teams would absolutely pony up for him. I don't see either happening though because I don't see the organization committing to any type of rebuild yet.
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The return needs to be just about perfect (top six C prospect, high pick, possibly depth player on top) on a Carter trade. Otherwise it's just making moves to make them.
I really don't think it happens, though. Dean/new management will try to offload other contracts before they look at Carter, unless the return is just unreal.
I really don't think it happens, though. Dean/new management will try to offload other contracts before they look at Carter, unless the return is just unreal.
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