Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part X

[Knave]

Yes, I do think this team would see a minimal loss with Pyatt not playing.

This team falls in love with literal dime a dozen players. Pyatt is the new Condra.

If you think having Pyatt play or not is the difference between the playoffs and not over the next 40 games, I respectfully disagree.

I know I'm in the minority, and that's fine. It's a moot point as it won't be happening anyways. We're bound for another ****** pick and quick exit, rinse and repeat.

Nobody is thinking that.

Most of us are thinking "you want to **** with team chemistry for a late round pick?". There's no guarantee we can replace Pyatt. Yeah he's not some major difference but why chance things just so we can get a late round pick that will likely not turn into an NHL player? If you constantly trade players when they're overperforming... you're never going to win anything.

 

[BondraTime]

Nobody is thinking that.

Most of us are thinking "you want to **** with team chemistry for a late round pick?". There's no guarantee we can replace Pyatt. Yeah he's not some major difference but why chance things just so we can get a late round pick that will likely not turn into an NHL player? If you constantly trade players when they're overperforming... you're never going to win anything.

Fair enough, I'll leave it be

 

[Knave]

Fair enough, I'll leave it be

I quoted you but you didn't really talk about trading him. Someone else did.

It's just mind-boggling. This isn't a game where you score points for selling players when their values are high. The goal is to build a winning team. Right now Pyatt is the best option we have. I can't see us upgrading internally so I don't want to ship him out just because we can trick some team for a 6th rounder instead of a 7th rounder.

 

[BondraTime]

I quoted you but you didn't really talk about trading him. Someone else did.

It's just mind-boggling. This isn't a game where you score points for selling players when their values are high. The goal is to build a winning team.

I was the one who stated he'd stand pat, or even consider trading our spare parts (Neil/Boro/Pyatt, guys who teams may look at for the playoffs, but I feel are not worth anything to teams, Sens included, Pyatt aside). None of these guys have a future with the Sens.

I've stated I believe we make the playoffs with, or without these guys right now. Either way I feel we slide into the 6th-8th spot.

It's not going to happen, as you said, no playoff team is going to get rid of guys. It's just what I'd like to happen.

I'm just not looking forward to another ****** pick, renewed faith, then repeat again next year ala 2008-2017.

These guys aren't a part of building a winning team at this point of their careers (Neil) or in general (Boro/Pyatt). And again, it's only my opinion, which I know is against the grain and likely only shared by myself.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I agree that Pyatt has no future with the Sens but yo Bondra, who can replace Pyatt's production RIGHT NOW if he's traded.

Im all for picking up Condra too just so we make playoffs. Next year idgaf if Condra and Pyatt move to Mars but right now we need reinforcements bad, even of the 4th line variety.

You still haven't answered if we move Pyatt NOW, who's gonna replace his production, PK and speedy injection in the bottom 6.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

How dare you all

 

[BondraTime]

I agree that Pyatt has no future with the Sens but yo Bondra, who can replace Pyatt's production RIGHT NOW if he's traded.

Im all for picking up Condra too just so we make playoffs. Next year idgaf if Condra and Pyatt move to Mars but right now we need reinforcements bad, even of the 4th line variety.

You still haven't answered if we move Pyatt NOW, who's gonna replace his production,
PK and speedy injection in the bottom 6.

I don't think it's needed in general, that's my whole point. We could drop anyone of 4/5 of our bottom 6 and pick any schmuck off waivers and they'd likely fit in just as well.

If Pyatt were to miss 3 games with illness, I'd wager we wouldn't miss a beat.

PK is the easiest role in the league to play. Could literally throw any of Turris/Smith/Stone/Lazar/Kelly (terrible but 0 value)/Pageau out there. Pyatt isn't some PK savant.

I think replacing his 20ish points is pretty easily doable

 

[SawyerFord]

Would love to get Palat. How much would he cost?


Still really want Landeskog tho, either one would be great.

 

[Shanny]

Teuvo Teravainen was a healthy scratch for Carolina yesterday, perhaps he could be a solid target for that top 9 forward?? 22 years old, good point producer, solid 2-way game, can play center or wing, also an rfa at the end of the year.....sounds like a great fit depending on what the Canes want in return.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I want an impact player. I don't care what it costs.

Landeskog or Duchene please.

If we're gutting our prospect pool to go "all in" right now, I want an upgrade that is a helluva lot better than Landeskog/Duchene. It would have to be a Tavares-level impact player to really move the needle forward for this team. Anything less, and we are just a 1 or 2 round-and-out playoff team (and above budget).

 

[SameeTheSniper]

I highly doubt we trade for a superstar now. Right now we are looking for someone to replace MacArthur. And for our bottom 6 woes, Dorion did say that Colin White will likely be in the NHL this season.

I also think Ryan Strome would be a good target. He's a meh risk, high reward guy to go after, I think he'd be great with Turris and Dzingel.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I highly doubt we trade for a superstar now. Right now we are looking for someone to replace MacArthur. And for our bottom 6 woes, Dorion did say that Colin White will likely be in the NHL this season.

I also think Ryan Strome would be a good target. He's a meh risk, high reward guy to go after, I think he'd be great with Turris and Dzingel.

Strome has not shown he belongs anywhere in the top 6 for 2 years.

I have no interest in him personally

 

[SameeTheSniper]

Strome has not shown he belongs anywhere in the top 6 for 2 years.

I have no interest in him personally

hes a low risk guy with a high rewar, he could turn out to be something in Ottawa.

 

[Neiler]

Wow, we didn't take Condra. I'll eat crow on that one... I thought for sure our management was simple enough to take him. Kudos to them for having sense.

 

[Inf4mous0ne]

I'll start this by saying that this is more of a devil's advocate question and discussion versus a proposal. I am very excited by Thomas Chabot, but I was trying to determine what'd be best for the team. Just from watching the games this season (and from how ineffective our 4th line has been) it seems that at best we are on track towards a 1st-2nd round exit. I think the team is playing much better, but when your 4th line centre has 0 points, that's going to burn you in the playoffs.

Chabot is a highly sought after commodity (for good reason) at the moment, and it may be best to cash him in when his value is arguably at his highest. We saw a similar situation with Ceci vs Drouin last year, and I think if given the chance, most would look to do that deal now. I think Chabot has much more potential than Ceci, but Duchene is much more of a proven product than Drouin. I also am thinking of the impacts of NOT making moves to make the team better. If we do nothing and have another 1st/2nd round exit, does Karlsson still look to re-sign when he is a UFA? Does improving our odds to win, as well as keep Karlsson, make the loss of Chabot worth it? All questions I'm throwing out there.

The theoretical proposal would be something like:

Chabot + 2017 1st + Claesson/Wideman

for

Matt Duchene

They get a top D prospect, a higher first in a weaker draft, and a younger defenseman that could come in and help out a bit now. Doesn't have to be exactly that, but something along those lines. Our lines become something like:

Dzingle - Turris - Ryan
Hoffman - Duchene - Pyatt
Smith - Brassard - Stone
Kelly - Pageau - White (when he becomes available)/Lazar/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuff - Ceci
Borowiecki - Wideman/Claesson

I think this gives us 3 pretty strong scoring lines, and makes our 4th line more of an energy/pest line with the opportunity to score as well.

Thoughts? If we don't do anything, where do you see us in two years?

 

[Baby Ryan]

In that case if you do that, you might want to flip White/Brown for a D prospect to attempt to fill in Chabot.

Both LD are 31, while not terribly old it's nice to have a good D prospect in the pipeline for a few years from now.

 

[jason2020]

If were going to trade Chabot and a first I would prefer to up it and go after a true elite player say make a offer for JT.

 

[Shanny]

Sorry for the long post, there is apparently a moratorium on new threads. I'll start this by saying that this is more of a devil's advocate question and discussion versus a proposal. I am very excited by Thomas Chabot, but I was trying to determine what'd be best for the team. Just from watching the games this season (and from how ineffective our 4th line has been) it seems that at best we are on track towards a 1st-2nd round exit. I think the team is playing much better, but when your 4th line centre has 0 points, that's going to burn you in the playoffs.

Chabot is a highly sought after commodity (for good reason) at the moment, and it may be best to cash him in when his value is arguably at his highest. We saw a similar situation with Ceci vs Drouin last year, and I think if given the chance, most would look to do that deal now. I think Chabot has much more potential than Ceci, but Duchene is much more of a proven product than Drouin. I also am thinking of the impacts of NOT making moves to make the team better. If we do nothing and have another 1st/2nd round exit, does Karlsson still look to re-sign when he is a UFA? Does improving our odds to win, as well as keep Karlsson, make the loss of Chabot worth it? All questions I'm throwing out there.

The theoretical proposal would be something like:

Chabot + 2017 1st + Claesson/Wideman

for

Matt Duchene

They get a top D prospect, a higher first in a weaker draft, and a younger defenseman that could come in and help out a bit now. Doesn't have to be exactly that, but something along those lines. Our lines become something like:

Dzingle - Turris - Ryan
Hoffman - Duchene - Pyatt
Smith - Brassard - Stone
Kelly - Pageau - White (when he becomes available)/Lazar/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuff - Ceci
Borowiecki - Wideman/Claesson

I think this gives us 3 pretty strong scoring lines, and makes our 4th line more of an energy/pest line with the opportunity to score as well.

Thoughts? If we don't do anything, where do you see us in two years?

Considering expansion, it is much more vital for this team to keep Chabot, then it is to empty our most valuable future assets on an impact player at this point in time.

I also believe Wideman has significantly more value then Claesson.

 

[Sting]

Trading Chabot and a 1st for Duchene would put us right back in the position we're in right now in the future, and possibly the present. Duchene doesn't put us over the top.

It also means we're once again screwed for the future for a band-aid solution. Big, big no.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I would rather package

Brassard + 1st 2017 + Chlapik or Englund... If they have their heart set on Claesson ... he can be had too.

they want Chabot I get it.

 

[Inf4mous0ne]

Trading Chabot and a 1st for Duchene would put us right back in the position we're in right now in the future, and possibly the present. Duchene doesn't put us over the top.

It also means we're once again screwed for the future for a band-aid solution. Big, big no.

It just seems to me we are projecting towards that point anyways. Maybe others see it differently, but in 2-3 years having a slightly older team, losing Ceci/Methot to expansion, and maybe gaining White/Chabot, the team doesn't seem significantly better. And that's assuming no one leaves.

 

[Shanny]

Trading Chabot and a 1st for Duchene would put us right back in the position we're in right now in the future, and possibly the present. Duchene doesn't put us over the top.

It also means we're once again screwed for the future for a band-aid solution. Big, big no.

Agree completely.

Even Chabot+1st probably won't be enough for Duchene either,

I understand where people are coming from in wanting to get better immediately.. considering how mediocre this team been for the better part of a decade, but we still don't have the right prospect depth at the moment to be throwing away a big chunk of our future considering we will be losing quality players to expansion in less then 6 months.

Unfortunately, patience is key here.

A year from now(after expansion) if this team is still looking playoff calibre and progressing...I think we can THEN start seriously considering a big move that could put them in the top 5-10 teams in the league, and show Karlsson that we are trying to seriously contend.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

In that case if you do that, you might want to flip White/Brown for a D prospect to attempt to fill in Chabot.

Both LD are 31, while not terribly old it's nice to have a good D prospect in the pipeline for a few years from now.

Jaros ?

 

[Sting]

It just seems to me we are projecting towards that point anyways. Maybe others see it differently, but in 2-3 years having a slightly older team, losing Ceci/Methot to expansion, and maybe gaining White/Chabot, the team doesn't seem significantly better. And that's assuming no one leaves.

I'm willing to bank on:

Phaneuf-Karlsson
Chabot-Ceci
Claesson/Englund-Jaros

As being a good top 6. I have high hopes for Chabot and Jaros.

White looks like at worst a 3rd line player with a scoring touch and at best one of those guys that bounces between the 1st/2nd line. That could be huge.

Brown, if he develops properly could be a 1st/2nd line big center.

The only way this team has a chance at contending is if some of these guys start producing while the core of our roster is in its prime.

If we were to trade for Duchene, I think we actually become less competitive in 2-3 years, and not good enough up until that time to be a contender.

 

[bert]

If the Stars become sellers Patrick Sharp would be perfect.