2016-17 roster

[allan5oh]

We really need to start using our young forward currency to trade for a LHD. It's pointless having them on the fourth line.

This is what Chevy said years ago. Once we have a glut at a position, we can use that to upgrade other positions via trade.

We're fine right now with enstrom trouba jmo playing left side. What's wrong with actually having a good fourth line. In a couple years I think they may add one via trade using some prospects as pieces, but now I think we're okay.

I agree with the second post. I think our current 6 D of:

Enstrom - Myers
Trouba - Buff
Chiarot - Postma

Is just fine. A big problem we had two years ago was lack of forward depth and we were running our top 6 on the PP and PK too much. Guys like Armia on the 4th line is what we want. I wouldn't be surprised at all if our PK next fall features nothing but bottom 6 guys and our fourth line plays 10 minutes.

I agree eventually we will run into problems (waivers) but we will cross that bridge when it comes. No need to butcher depth now. We can always trade Stafford or Perreault at the deadline.

Maurice talked about picking up a speedy PK able forward. I wonder if that will still happen.

 

[puck stoppa]

That speedy pk guy could be Tanev, but where the heck does he fit in now.

 

[csk]

I agree with the second post. I think our current 6 D of:

Enstrom - Myers
Trouba - Buff
Chiarot - Postma

Is just fine. A big problem we had two years ago was lack of forward depth and we were running our top 6 on the PP and PK too much. Guys like Armia on the 4th line is what we want. I wouldn't be surprised at all if our PK next fall features nothing but bottom 6 guys and our fourth line plays 10 minutes.

I agree eventually we will run into problems (waivers) but we will cross that bridge when it comes. No need to butcher depth now. We can always trade Stafford or Perreault at the deadline.

Maurice talked about picking up a speedy PK able forward. I wonder if that will still happen.

Yeah, depends who is in our bottom 6 though.

Lowry, Copp, Burmistrov, Armia & Dano all took PK minutes at the end of the season, but they may not all be in the lineup.

Add guys like Little and Wheeler, then you round out the PK fwds. It doesn't look too bad.

Problem is the D, the top 4 are all passable, but if one of them takes the penalty, then someone else must do it. That's Chiarot's best case to make the roster, as he's an above average PKer while Postma & Morrissey are unproven (though trying them out isn't a bad idea).
If Chiarot does make the lineup, sub him in for Myers on the starting PK.

 

[6zag]

To people who have been sending Laine off to 4th line and 2nd PP, that isn't going to work. During the Liiga (FEL) playoffs, he, as a 17 year old, had 112 Shots in 18 games. The only player in the playoffs to hit 3 digits, and 30 more than anyone else, 40 more than anyone else from his team. When you watched his games, he was _the_ leader on the ice. Tappara players were told by their coach to "just give laine the puck and see what happens". In playoffs. To 30+ year old veterans! But they did, and whoopsidoo, they became the champs.

In my opinion, that is how you will get him to thrive. I understand that most people think gametime and opportunities must be earned, but I don't see anything magnificent happening unless he has the chance to make it happen right from the start.

EDIT: Adding to that, he only averaged 18 minutes or so TOI to make those 112 shots in 18 games.

 

[allan5oh]

Here's my forward lines with reasoning:

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler

This is obvious. They were on fire last year. I'd need a pretty big obvious reason to split them up.

Perreault - Little - Laine

I want Perreault on this line and not Connor because I think it's a mistake putting two rookie wingers with Little as good as he is. Laine has experience with the pro game and will adapt quicker than Connor.

Connor - Copp - Stafford

All three could use a bit of sheltering at least to start. This is a bit of a "spare parts" line. See if we could get Copp going offensively.

Lowry - Burmistrov - Dano

Burmi and Dano looked really good together at the end of the season.

Think of the last two lines as two 3rd lines not as 3rd and 4th. I think the trend of having our bottom 6 on the PK will continue.

Of course guys like Armia, Peluso, Thorburn are left out. As is Tanev, De Leo, Petan, Lipon (who needs waivers), Lemieux, etc.

Armia - 13th forward for now
Peluso and Thorburn - traded or buried
The rest - AHL

 

[allan5oh]

To people who have been sending Laine off to 4th line and 2nd PP, that isn't going to work. During the Liiga (FEL) playoffs, he, as a 17 year old, had 112 Shots in 18 games. The only player in the playoffs to hit 3 digits, and 30 more than anyone else, 40 more than anyone else from his team. When you watched his games, he was _the_ leader on the ice. Tappara players were told by their coach to "just give laine the puck and see what happens". In playoffs. To 30+ year old veterans! But they did, and whoopsidoo, they became the champs.

In my opinion, that is how you will get him to thrive. I understand that most people think gametime and opportunities must be earned, but I don't see anything magnificent happening unless he has the chance to make it happen right from the start.

EDIT: Adding to that, he only averaged 18 minutes or so TOI to make those 112 shots in 18 games.

You have to forgive us. Many do not realize how good Laine is. We also *just* won the lottery that we had a low chance of winning. So our knowledge of the top players is lower than it should be. It can also be hard to gauge success in the European leagues. I believe the league he played in is only a wee bit below the AHL level? Is that correct?

 

[puck stoppa]

To people who have been sending Laine off to 4th line and 2nd PP, that isn't going to work. During the Liiga (FEL) playoffs, he, as a 17 year old, had 112 Shots in 18 games. The only player in the playoffs to hit 3 digits, and 30 more than anyone else, 40 more than anyone else from his team. When you watched his games, he was _the_ leader on the ice. Tappara players were told by their coach to "just give laine the puck and see what happens". In playoffs. To 30+ year old veterans! But they did, and whoopsidoo, they became the champs.

In my opinion, that is how you will get him to thrive. I understand that most people think gametime and opportunities must be earned, but I don't see anything magnificent happening unless he has the chance to make it happen right from the start.

EDIT: Adding to that, he only averaged 18 minutes or so TOI to make those 112 shots in 18 games.

Most on here don't wanna break up our top line, but by years end I'd love to see laine there, this balances top six more
Ehlers scheif laine
Mp little wheels
Connor burmi staff
Lowry copp Dano armia

 

[almostawake]

To people who have been sending Laine off to 4th line and 2nd PP, that isn't going to work. During the Liiga (FEL) playoffs, he, as a 17 year old, had 112 Shots in 18 games. The only player in the playoffs to hit 3 digits, and 30 more than anyone else, 40 more than anyone else from his team. When you watched his games, he was _the_ leader on the ice. Tappara players were told by their coach to "just give laine the puck and see what happens". In playoffs. To 30+ year old veterans! But they did, and whoopsidoo, they became the champs.

In my opinion, that is how you will get him to thrive. I understand that most people think gametime and opportunities must be earned, but I don't see anything magnificent happening unless he has the chance to make it happen right from the start.

EDIT: Adding to that, he only averaged 18 minutes or so TOI to make those 112 shots in 18 games.

I have all the confidence in the world that Laine will be an impact player at the NHL level but it is going to take time for him to adapt his game to the NHL ice.

Teams are already very aware of his shot and he isn't going to have the time and space he had in the FEL.

 

[Board Bard]

Connor/Laine - Scheif - Wheeler
Laine/Connor - Little - Ehlers
Petan/Perrault - Perrault/Petan - Armia/Dano
Lowry - Copp - Dano/Armia

Put guys on the wings where they've had the most success -- mainly Ehlers, Connor, Laine. Have a feeling though that Mo would think that having two such guys on one line violates some kind of coaching precept begun 90 years ago by a coach whose head was run over by a tractor.

 

[Bob E]

By the end of the year, I would really like to see...

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler

I think this line will be even more dynamic and productive with Connor on LW.

Laine-Little-Ehlers

This line could be a ridiculous "2nd" line, similar impact to Penarin-Anisimov-Kane. Ehlers with Laine could be magic. Both like playing their off-wing. Really hope we draft the goal scoring Laine.

Perreault-Burmistrov-Dano

Had very good chemistry when put together.

Lowry-Copp-Armia

Decent 4th line.

Thorbs is 13 th forward. Stafford is moved by the trade deadline. Guys like Lemieux, Petan, Tanev and Lipon called up when injuries hit.

Decision on Burmi could be made this summer. For instance, he could be included in a deal to move pick #22 up a few spots.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Heres mine

Connor - Scheif - Wheeler - SPEEEEED

Laine - Little - Ehlers (2 wingers who like to play their off side)

Perreault - Petan - Armia (that's a nice third line)

Tanev - Lowry - Dano. That's a nice 4th line. Thorbs as 13th forward

 

[Jetsfan4life]

It's nice to have so many good players that it is hard to place them but all of these lines that are being projected have no muscle.I do understand that fighting is slowly going away but if we give up Thorbs and Peluso both we are losing our Sherriffs.Just a thought.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Buff is enough Muscle. So is Lowry, So is Trouba for that Matter. I'm not playing some plug like Thorburn or Peluso over skilled players.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

It's nice to have so many good players that it is hard to place them but all of these lines that are being projected have no muscle.I do understand that fighting is slowly going away but if we give up Thorbs and Peluso both we are losing our Sherriffs.Just a thought.

Good. Can't wait for them to be out of the line-up. We have enough "grit" in our skilled players and scattered throughout the rest of the roster that I'm not worried.

 

[truck]

It's nice to have so many good players that it is hard to place them but all of these lines that are being projected have no muscle.I do understand that fighting is slowly going away but if we give up Thorbs and Peluso both we are losing our Sherriffs.Just a thought.

Thor and Peluso are useless in that regard. Their existence does nothing to protect players. Zero.

 

[Jetsfan4life]

Very true words spoken about the two ,it may not be Peluso but hate to make people sad on here but I'm sure Thorbs will be in the lineup next year.PoMo like him too much.So with your dream lineups I would save a spot for him on the 4th.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Very true words spoken about the two ,it may not be Peluso but hate to make people sad on here but I'm sure Thorbs will be in the lineup next year.PoMo like him too much.So with your dream lineups I would save a spot for him on the 4th.

I'm personally under no delusions about where Thor will be slotted.

In my line-up, he'd be gone. In reality, he'll likely be on the roster. I'm hoping for a PB position, but not holding my breath on that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm interested in using Petan with Scheifele and Wheeler on the top line and letting Ehlers go back to RW and play with Little and Connor.

Give little softer minutes and let PSW and Burmi/MP/Dano take some toughs.

4line of Lowry/Copp/Arma should fare well too.

Have to jettison Stafford into space for that to work though

Bringing both Connor and Laine(or other) into the top 9 this year means a very highly inexperienced forward group. Meanwhile we have some difficulties fitting various players in. Stafford is good only in an offensive role and only on RW. Laine can play either wing but we have had several posts since the lottery telling us that he is much better on the left. Connor can play either side but I don't know if he loses a lot, a little or nothing by moving over. I know that LW is his first choice.

Petan with Scheif and Wheels might make things a lot easier but it seems like a big jump for Petan. Great if he is ready and able.

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Perrault Little Laine
Connor Petan Dano/Armia
Lowry Copp Armia/Dano

Bye-bye Stafford and Burmi at the draft for some help on D. Probably prefer Burmi to Lowry but the coach and management love them some Lowry.

Just beyond pumped right now. I was so close to tearing down the street nude while screaming at the top of my lungs.

What I don't like about your lineup is Laine on the right. According to several posts from people who seem to know him better he is much more effective on the left.

I agree. With a #2 overall pick, it gives management a lot more room to start unloading forwards or even some picks for building up the D pool. Stafford and Burmistrov are the two most easily expendable and replaceable pieces. I like Perrault but with his upcoming FA status, he could become tempting.

Then again, there is no guarantee that Laine is going to have any impact in Year 1. The only #2 overall in recent years who made any impact was Eichel and Laine is not quite that level. Tyler Seguin didn't do much as a rookie and another highly regarded Finn, Barkov, didn't hit his stride until Year 3. Penciling him as a Top 6 guy right away may be a bit ambitious.

I like Perreault a lot more than you do. I want to keep him if at all possible. I see him as part of the veteran core we keep while the kids are gaining experience. He is a great example, IMO.

Agree that Stafford and Burmi are obvious targets to move. But I am thinking of late season Burmi. He can play all 3 forward positions. He is good defensively and on the PK - even though his stats from this year may not show it. Again I am thinking of Late season Burmi. To that add that his trade value will be low until he builds up some better stats than last years.

I decided some time ago that Stafford should go but have had difficulty trying to make up a depth chart without him while keeping other priorities in mind. I try to keep both Laine and Connor on the left side and not have too much inexperience on any one line. I also think that some assignments will change later in the season as the rookies gain experience but we can't count on that happening quickly. It might take some of them 2 years to get it. It is possible but difficult.

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Dano
Connor - Perreault - Armia
Now we start to run low on RWs and get:
Lowry - Burmi - Thor dududu dum.

This solves that:
Perreault - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Ehlers
Connor - Petan - Dano
Lowry- Burmi - Armia
The 2nd line is a little inexperienced. The 3rd line is very inexperienced so maybe at the start of the year Burmi plays 3C.
Another option would be Petan at 1LW and Perreault at 3C. Actually that is probably my first choice IF Petan is ready for that assignment. That may be too much of a leap for him. Or not.

If any of those work we are free to move Stafford. Or maybe we just bite the bullet and move him at the draft. Make up the best lineup we can with all the young kids but you have to know there will be a big price to pay for all that inexperience.

It may be that the best path is to keep Stafford until the TD. The return might be better then too. But that means one of our young players will be in the A developing instead of with the Jets developing faster.

With any of those lineups in place we have quite a few pieces we could move for some LHD help. We could move a couple of expansion exempt young Fs for a near ready, expansion exempt LHD prospect. All being exempt it should be doable.

 

[RustyCat]

Not sure I am fan of slide Armia to the 4th line. He projects better than that and showed some upside when playing with skill guys. That said I have to wonder if Stafford gets bumped. Staff plus our CHI 1st rounder this year may fetch a quality LHD, no? Could look to solve a couple problems here?

 

[Romang67]

To me, at this point, it's a matter of PoMo having a very hard time justifying putting Thor on the fourth line.

Who of Stafford, Dano, Armia or Perreault is he even close to?

 

[Guffman]

So many line permutations suggested over the past couple of months. It will be a very interesting off-season (trades?) and wild, hyper-competitive training camp to get those coveted roster spots.

 

[BB88]

I can't remember in which thread I said it but Laine is looked as franchise prospect, and he played every game on the LW side this year and his shot can be the best in the league one day, I hope they take the full advantage of his skill set and use him on the Lw side.

 

[6zag]

You have to forgive us. Many do not realize how good Laine is. We also *just* won the lottery that we had a low chance of winning. So our knowledge of the top players is lower than it should be. It can also be hard to gauge success in the European leagues. I believe the league he played in is only a wee bit below the AHL level? Is that correct?

Considering I've been watching both, I'd say they are pretty much equal, though it is hard to compare because of the difference in ice size. I'd say AHL is in some regards tougher than Liiga, and Liiga is in some aspects tougher than AHL. It really depends on the things you look at.

Quoting the other person who said Laine won't have the time and space as he did in FEL, I disagree wholeheartedly. In Finland Laine is a rockstar who is known to every single person in this country, including the players he plays against. He was the highest profile player in the league, which he in the NHL won't be by a long shot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY7lQohys9M

Look at the corner he picks confidently from that position. On the last minute, during playoffs, while down by one. Clutch by every definition of the word.

 

[sashalaine]

I can't remember in which thread I said it but Laine is looked as franchise prospect, and he played every game on the LW side this year and his shot can be the best in the league one day, I hope they take the full advantage of his skill set and use him on the Lw side.

Yeah, I agree. He has said that he enjoys more playing on the left side and that the only challenge for a righty playing LW is receiving the puck smoothly, but it's not a problem if you have enough skill.

And he does: here's an example.

 

[allan5oh]

Considering I've been watching both, I'd say they are pretty much equal, though it is hard to compare because of the difference in ice size. I'd say AHL is in some regards tougher than Liiga, and Liiga is in some aspects tougher than AHL. It really depends on the things you look at.

Quoting the other person who said Laine won't have the time and space as he did in FEL, I disagree wholeheartedly. In Finland Laine is a rockstar who is known to every single person in this country, including the players he plays against. He was the highest profile player in the league, which he in the NHL won't be by a long shot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY7lQohys9M

Look at the corner he picks confidently from that position. On the last minute, during playoffs, while down by one. Clutch by every definition of the word.

Normally defenders don't give up that spot that easily, but I don't know European hockey.