2016-17 roster

[JetsFan815]

Without getting tangled up in debates about a reasonable contract offer would we want him back? Are we a better team with him or without him? Just assume a market value contract, whatever that is.

We are for sure a better team with Ladd. It is no coincidence that the Stanley Cup champions paid the price of a 1st round pick and a top prospect to acquire him. The thing about Ladd is even when his scoring declines he is still going to be a very good bottom-6 physical player. It is nice to be excited about prospects but Ladd is a sure thing.

He is not one dimensional like a guy like Stafford, he can play different roles, kill penalties, play on a scoring line, play on a checking line, lay out body checks, be a net front presence, the guy can do everything. And you need guys like that to win. If you pay him what we pay Stafford + 1.25 million for like 4-5 years which I think is his market value, we can't go wrong with that (esp if we don't hand out a NMC, players like him are always in demand and can be traded if the something changes with the organizational depth)

First of all we need to wait and see how NMC are dealt with for the expansion draft. But if they are just looking to hold on to salary to meet the 25% than Stafford stays a Jet. I would say there is little to no chance the Jets look to sign depth players in their mid 30's. Especially at $3 M per.

You mean like Drew Stafford? If you can get an asset for Stafford and sign a better player in Stempniak to replace him in free agency, why not?

 

[KingBogo]

We are for sure a better team with Ladd. It is no coincidence that the Stanley Cup champions paid the price of a 1st round pick and a top prospect to acquire him. The thing about Ladd is even when his scoring declines he is still going to be a very good bottom-6 physical player. It is nice to be excited about prospects but Ladd is a sure thing.

He is not one dimensional like a guy like Stafford, he can play different roles, kill penalties, play on a scoring line, play on a checking line, lay out body checks, be a net front presence, the guy can do everything. And you need guys like that to win. If you pay him what we pay Stafford + 1.25 million for like 4-5 years which I think is his market value, we can't go wrong with that (esp if we don't hand out a NMC, players like him are always in demand and can be traded if the something changes with the organizational depth)



You mean like Drew Stafford? If you can get an asset for Stafford and sign a better player in Stempniak to replace him in free agency, why not?

The Jets will be shedding older depth players not adding any to the roster. And as I've said a few times lately the should move from their older depth players. And that's not to replace them with other older depth players. Next years roster will be made up of future pieces and old past pieces they can't get rid of.

 

[JetsFan815]

The Jets will be shedding older depth players not adding any to the roster. And as I've said a few times lately the should move from their older depth players. And that's not to replace them with other older depth players. Next years roster will be made up of future pieces and old past pieces they can't get rid of.

Regardless of one's opinions on the makeup of youth vs vets in next year's team. We are talking about replacing one older veteran depth player with another older veteran depth player who is better suited on the team and acquiring a mid round draft pick in the process

 

[KingBogo]

Regardless of one's opinions on the makeup of youth vs vets in next year's team. We are talking about replacing one older veteran depth player with another older veteran depth player who is better suited on the team and acquiring a mid round draft pick in the process

Just don't see the Jets adding any journeyman depth players pushing into their mid 30's while they are in the process of a full scale youth movement and giving opportunities for the prospects to carve out their roles as the team moves forward. If anything it is time to start weeding out the vets we already have that won't be part of the future (Stafford, Thor & Stu). While a guy like Stemp is an upgrade over Thor. If you sign him you still have Thor's contract, so now you are tying up more roster spots with players not part of the future. A possible exception is if they plan on going full out Leaf blowup mode and want to accumulate a few guys they can move at the TD for additional picks.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

I fully agree the plan appears to be to shed weaker vets and make room for the youth. The only x factor I can see is if there is some pressure, or even promises made to top vets like Wheeler and Buff to compete soon. You can't let the players run the team. But another missed playoff season will be tough on morale. Especially for the older guys.

So maybe if there is an opportunity too good to pass up on another top end older vet, maybe due to the cap situation, someone who makes us a lot better next year, Chevy goes for it. But that makes the roster even more tricky to fit everyone in. Perhaps you trade back a cheap NHL ready player that we can't fit in our roster.

 

[TheRocketFlash]

Ideally, I would like to see us move Stafford for an asset of some type (pick and/or prospect) at the draft and us to resign Ladd on a reasonable deal. Something like 3 years @ 4.75 million per. He's a solid 2nd liner with a veteran presence in the room. I would much rather have a 30/31 year old Ladd than Stafford even for slightly more money and term.

 

[csk]

Ideally, I would like to see us move Stafford for an asset of some type (pick and/or prospect) at the draft and us to resign Ladd on a reasonable deal. Something like 3 years @ 4.75 million per. He's a solid 2nd liner with a veteran presence in the room. I would much rather have a 30/31 year old Ladd than Stafford even for slightly more money and term.

I doubt he goes for that

 

[sipowicz]

Dano is probably already capable of putting up 30 points in a season let alone that being his offensive ceiling.

I already see Dano as more of a player than Burmistrov, I'm not even sure Burmi is a lock to make the Jets next season, hopefully there is enough talent at camp to push him out!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We are for sure a better team with Ladd. It is no coincidence that the Stanley Cup champions paid the price of a 1st round pick and a top prospect to acquire him. The thing about Ladd is even when his scoring declines he is still going to be a very good bottom-6 physical player. It is nice to be excited about prospects but Ladd is a sure thing.

He is not one dimensional like a guy like Stafford, he can play different roles, kill penalties, play on a scoring line, play on a checking line, lay out body checks, be a net front presence, the guy can do everything. And you need guys like that to win. If you pay him what we pay Stafford + 1.25 million for like 4-5 years which I think is his market value, we can't go wrong with that (esp if we don't hand out a NMC, players like him are always in demand and can be traded if the something changes with the organizational depth)

It doesn't feel that way right now but yes, of course you are right.

After a hot start with Chi he seems to have cooled off though. And he has taken some bad penalties. More like the Ladd of the first half of the season so maybe it really is that he has started to decline. So at this point I am still glad that we didn't sign him for 5-6 years, or even more.

E-S-W
Ladd-Little-Stafford
Connor-MP-Dano
Petan-Copp-Armia
Lowry, Burmi get pushed down. Trade Stafford and one of them moves up. That 2nd line is stronger though and so is our vet group of baby-sitters.

 

[csk]

I already see Dano as more of a player than Burmistrov, I'm not even sure Burmi is a lock to make the Jets next season, hopefully there is enough talent at camp to push him out!

I agree, and I like Burmistrov

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I doubt he goes for that

That will depend on the FA market. That does seem a little low but it may be only 3-4 years and as low as the 4.75-5.5 range.

After last year I think there will be some nervous players and agents. If Ladd (or a similar player) was offered 3x5.5, or 4x4.8 July 1 should he grab it or wait for a better offer? The highest contracts last year went early. The bids just kept getting lower until some good players had to accept PTO's.

The market will be strongly influenced by the final cap number. If it appears to have bottomed out last year and resumed rising the offers will be higher. If the increase is small, say 1-2 mil or less the bidding will be cautious again.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

I'm all over resigning Ladd for the amounts being tossed around here. Man is he going to kick himself in the ass is that's what he goes for. It will be interesting to see if he overplayed his hand with the Jets.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

E-S-W
Ladd-Little-Stafford
Connor-MP-Dano
Petan-Copp-Armia

I like this a lot. That's 4 lines with talent. And probably at least 3 good scoring lines. I wonder if Maurice is ready to redefine the 4th line so radically away from a grit/energy line to guys who might actually score? Hope so!

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I don't see Ladd coming back here this summer at all, maybe to sell his house or whatever but not to sign with the JETS that's for sure. Think it's best if we all just moved on. I think if he was going to sign with us, he wouldn't have been traded. Some team (Vancouver maybe) will give him 6 years at big money.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm all over resigning Ladd for the amounts being tossed around here. Man is he going to kick himself in the ass is that's what he goes for. It will be interesting to see if he overplayed his hand with the Jets.

Yup. I don't know where the 6x6 offer rumour came from but earlier Lawless had given us 6x5.8. The FA market is just about impossible to read. The year before last Bolland got 5x5.5 from a GM usually rated pretty highly. But that said my gut feeling is that Ladd doesn't get 6 years. Some team may overpay for him but I'm guessing it will be 5 years or maybe even down to 4. The $$$ could be anywhere from ~4.75 to ~ 6.25 but at best it still doesn't add up to 6x5.8 let alone 6x6. Just a gut feeling. Maybe some drug crazed GM gives him a Kessler contract.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

I do not want Ladd back at any of the $ thrown around HF boards. Wake up call on July 1 st for Andrew. 4 yrs will be longest term available and below 6 mill.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I like this a lot. That's 4 lines with talent. And probably at least 3 good scoring lines. I wonder if Maurice is ready to redefine the 4th line so radically away from a grit/energy line to guys who might actually score? Hope so!

That 4th line played pretty well together. They can score and with Copp and Armia they should also be more than adequate defensively even if Petan is a little weak there.

Even without Ladd AND Stafford we can come up with 4 pretty good lines. Lowry and Burmi draw back in and there is still competition from Lemieux, Lipon and a few others. That would be an inexperienced lineup certainly but the first 2 to draw back in are not rookies.

I don't see Ladd coming back here this summer at all, maybe to sell his house or whatever but not to sign with the JETS that's for sure. Think it's best if we all just moved on. I think if he was going to sign with us, he wouldn't have been traded. Some team (Vancouver maybe) will give him 6 years at big money.

Probably right. I wasn't asking if it was likely or how much he would be worth paying. Just do people still want him back? Having adjusted to him being gone I get a feeling as though he would be blocking a younger player. That is just a feeling though. Logically he is better than the player he would bump. Unlike Stafford he would be better than that younger player. So we are a better team with him than without but only in the near term.

Without getting into contracts and likelihood of him signing here would you want him?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Would i want him? No probably not. I think it's time to move on from Ladd and hand the team over to the younger guys. The younger guys are our future, The stafford comparison is interesting but Stafford is only signed for 1 more year and then will be gone, if not sooner even.

Would i take Ladd on a 1 or 2 year deal? sure, but that's not gonna happen.

 

[Flair Hay]

I do not want Ladd back at any of the $ thrown around HF boards. Wake up call on July 1 st for Andrew. 4 yrs will be longest term available and below 6 mill.

Yup his demands were put to lunch.

 

[voyageur]

I like this a lot. That's 4 lines with talent. And probably at least 3 good scoring lines. I wonder if Maurice is ready to redefine the 4th line so radically away from a grit/energy line to guys who might actually score? Hope so!

I think you are missing an important aspect of the game. Winning battles on the ice. Every team has plugs, show me one who has won the Cup with all skill. Did you watch the Flyers-Caps game? Who scored the GWG? Ryan White, who is a glorified Thorburn. And worse skater too. But he was on the ice in the last minute, physically beat Ovechkin on a board battle to set up the empty netter. Yeoman's work.is not glorious but in a tight game, the coach needs warriors.

I dread trying to transition our team into a skill only team, because i guarantee you we will regress. Sometimes you need players who will sacrifice their body or win the physical battle to move the puck an extra 2 feet to clear the zone. I am all for improving our team speed. But i respect the work of role players too. It's not an easy job to do, and for those who judge players by stat lines, their work often goes unnoticed..

I'd like to know Mort's PK alignment with that lineup.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Petan-Little-Perrault
Dano-Burmistrov-Stafford
Lowry-Copp-Armia
Thorburn

Myers-Byfulgien
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Postma
Chiarot

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

Only way to make room is to package Enstrom, Perrault and Stafford (maybe throw in a prospect) for a star player who will be a pending FA in 2017 or 2018, or even Hamonic.

 

[yoteshot]

Just wondering (for fantasy purposes), what's Hellebuyck's status for you guys next year?

Will he be the starter? time share? Or same as this year?

 

[buggs]

Just wondering (for fantasy purposes), what's Hellebuyck's status for you guys next year?

Will he be the starter? time share? Or same as this year?

No real way of knowing of course but I think the board consensus would be that while it may not occur officially as stated by the Jets, the starting job will be Hellebuyck's to lose. It may not start that way completely in October as it may be more of a time share, but if Helle doesn't fall flat on his face I'm guessing he should get 60% of the starts or better.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No real way of knowing of course but I think the board consensus would be that while it may not occur officially as stated by the Jets, the starting job will be Hellebuyck's to lose. It may not start that way completely in October as it may be more of a time share, but if Helle doesn't fall flat on his face I'm guessing he should get 60% of the starts or better.

I would go further than that. When Hutch was eased into the starters job he had no NHL experience at all so it made sense to go slowly. After the NHL introduction he had this year I think the starter's job is Helle's to lose. Period. No waffling. Unless he craps the bed he should get closer to 70-75% of the starts. Just my opinion.

 

[yoteshot]

Awesome, thanks guys!