Clark IMO is the absolutely best in the business picking defenseman and it isn't close. I'm not saying Graves and Zborovskiy will be Skjei but I think they will be damn close. They are that good. Day really stepped it up this year. Proud of him. Gropp will be a good pro. He has a howitzer for a wrist shot. Fontaine is a kid I love as a prospect. I was high on Fast and Lindberg as later round picks. I am higher on Fontaine. I think he is very similar to Lindberg in many ways but I believe his defensive game is on another level.
2016-17 Rangers Prospects Thread - Part IV (Stats in Post #1; Updated 5.30)
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Well, Lindberg won the Liv trophy in 2013 (The SHL equivalent of the Conn Smythe). He certainly has the talent. He just needs to stay healthy and work his way up
LOL... I like Clark but get a grip, look at how Predators are drafting D-men, we're not even close.
No one has been close to Nashville in drafting and developing NHL defenseman over the last 15 years.
I mean, we're definitely not in the top 5 and probably not in the top 10 when it comes to drafting and developing D-men.
Not going to dig deeper then this on this subject though.
Not going to dig deeper then this on this subject though.
For real.
The best defenseman the Rangers have drafted under Clark's watch has been Skjei, who may be excellent one day.
In the same time span, Nashville has drafted 3 of their current top 4 and moved another for their 1C.
The best defenseman the Rangers have drafted under Clark's watch has been Skjei, who may be excellent one day.
In the same time span, Nashville has drafted 3 of their current top 4 and moved another for their 1C.
They also currently have two of the best D prospects outside of the NHL in Fabbro and Girard, along with Dougherty who looks likely to become a solid NHL D-man at some point.
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FWIW Ellis was an 11th overall and Jones a 4th overall and the first defenseman taken in his draft year. Both of them started off professionally as big time talents. The Rangers had no chance at either player. OTOH when they had a 10th overall they drafted McIlrath and he's a borderline NHL'er at best. I expect Skjei to very much build on his rookie year and wouldn't be surprised if he's our best defenseman (that is better than McDonagh) inside a couple years.
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Thats some pretty flawed reasoning.
Did he carry his team? He had an okay season, maybe even quality season, but it would be a big stretch to say he was great or a revelation, worthy of jumping that much from his preseason spot. For example, Day would at best go a few spots higher in a re-draft, he's not at all shown he was a potential first round re-draft pick, like we could've said about Saarela a year prior as a mid-round pick. Day still showed many holes this season, some who watched Windsor don't even think he had a good season. I was told not too long ago in the prospect section by a frequent OHL watcher that he was his team's 4th best defenseman. Doesn't seem like a #2 prospect to me.
To be #2 on that list, I'd expect him to be pretty close to NHL ready. He might not even be AHL ready.
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I think if you say Day had an "okay" season, you're really selling him short. It wasn't a home run season, but it was good, and more importantly, the off-ice development was seemingly great and moved in the right direction in a big way.
I also think Day was the best D on the Spits not named Sergachev during the Mem Cup run.
I also think Day was the best D on the Spits not named Sergachev during the Mem Cup run.
Also, Day definitely wasn't Windsors 4th best D-man, he was easily better then Stanley. I could see arguments for Chatfield too.
Sergachev was a top 10 pick and Chatfield an overager, hardly any shame in not outplaying them (and i'd definitely have Day atleast close to Chatfield).
Sergachev was a top 10 pick and Chatfield an overager, hardly any shame in not outplaying them (and i'd definitely have Day atleast close to Chatfield).
Sure, but they also drafted Josi (2nd) and Ekholm (4th or 5th, I forget) outside of the 1st round.
The Rangers haven't done that. Graves looks like a nice late round find, but he won't be on the level of those 2 IMO.
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Josi was the early part of the 2nd. Rangers took DZ in the second half of the first round that year. Caps took Carlson after that. Both those teams made the better choice as far as d-men were concerned but it took a few years to work that out. DZ got off to a really good start to his NHL career and then just stalled. Carlson and Josi just kept on growing. Not sure that was Clark's fault. I'd put that down to the hard love approach of Torts and DZ's own temperament. Probably was easier for Josi being in a more low key market. Ekholm was just a great late round pick. Rangers have made some of them too--they just don't happen to be defensemen.
Pavel Buchnevich
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If you count the regular season and playoffs, Day had 37 points in 65 games. Thats fine, but its not what I'd consider all that impressive for a guy who is not known for his defense, certainly.
Has Day improved his stock? I think he did by a little, but I think it would be awfully optimistic, based off really little evidence, to say that he's vaulted all the way up to our #2 prospect.
Has Day improved his stock? I think he did by a little, but I think it would be awfully optimistic, based off really little evidence, to say that he's vaulted all the way up to our #2 prospect.
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Have you taken into account his brand new attitude and "It's a new day for Sean Day" catch phrases?
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A Memorial Cup championship is a huge thing to have on your resume and he was a big part of his team winning that. You're right in that his point production--while pretty good isn't overwhelming. The part he needed to work on the most going into this year though was his defense and I think there was good progress there. A big man that moves and skates like he does and has good hands---if his defensive game is straightened out that's a really good prospect.
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Lindberg was acquired through trade.
Saying Graves and Zboro will be close to skjei is way premature.
I can name 15 teams at least who have drafted better at the defense position in the time Clarks been here. Skjei is the only one on the blueline he's been responsible for.
The one caveat is that he hasn't had much to work with.
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Agreed with this. Day had an excellent and progressive year in regards to the defensive side of the puck.
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The reason why I think NYR should keep him. He has done excellent in finding fallen talent in the later rounds of the draft. Imagine if he had a first round pick again?
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Watched him play in Everett a bunch while I was there. He was the heart and soul of a team that played a very solid defensive style of hockey.
David Poile's teams have always been built on top D. His first big trade with the Caps was for Rod Langway. Scott Stevens. Kevin Hatcher. He traded for Calle Johansson,Sylvain Cote and Al Iafrate. Same philosophy with Nashville. Suter. Weber. Hamhuis. Ellis. Blum. Josi. Ekholm.
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Even in their lean years, he had Witt, Gonchar, Klee, Slaney, Baumgartner. The caps and preds also have hired good ahl coaches over the years.
Wake up. Seth Jones was the 4th overall pick. No skill picking a guy that high. They did a poor job developing him. He broke out when he got traded. Ellis 11th overall pick in 2009 and it took them almost 8 year before they got him to do something noticeable
Josi 38th overall pick. A great pick. Suter 7th overall pick. Not much skill drafting that high. Ekholm decent defenseman. 4th round pick. So in other words. The three best defenseman they drafted other than Weber were 4th overall, 7th overall, 11th overall. Not very impressive to draft guys that high that turn out to be good. Weber 49th over all. Great pick.
This myth that Nashville is amazing drafting defenseman is just that. A myth. They are taking them super high.
Looking at Clark. Day third round. Zborovskiy third round. Ryan Graves 4th round. These are the guys I'm taking about that will be big players on this team going forward. Plus Skei taking 25th is light years better than Jones, Ellis and Suter were their first year in the league. McIlrath was Clarke's biggest mistake. Other than that he's had very few picks to work with. He also is the guy who went out and got Stralman here when the league thought he was garbage. He was pivotal in bringing Smith here who was not exactly being raved about around the league. Klein was a guy that Nashville was down on. This guy has an amazing eye for talent. Holden he got for nothing. This isn't Gorton getting these guys. He's going through Clark and then his scouts. I'm not just talking about drafting. I'm talking about his eye for defenseman talent. I'm not going to kiss Nashville's azzzz because they took defenseman 4th, 7th, 11th, 38th and 49th and they turned out to be very good NHL defenseman. I don't think Clark has had a first round pick in 4-5 years. Barely a second.
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