2016-17 Kings Roster Part 2

[dman3474]

I still think muzz or martinez gets moved, either for a younger player or prospect. leave McNabb exposed and its 50/50 if they take him or Lewis plus it gives us spaces to protect dowd and whoever we pick up.

 

[The Pale King]

I think we could technically finish 3rd worst in the league if we really tank. I don't think we can get lower than Arizona or Colorado, but we are only 1 point ahead of the third worst team in the league. Having a top 3 pick (or I guess top 4 with Vegas), could land us Michael Rasmussen, who appears to fit the Kings MO.

Should we (as fans) want a guy who fits their current MO though? Shouldn't they been looking to add some high-end skill? I know next-to-nothing about this years draft crop tbh.

 

[tobu]

So when Quick returns, does LA keep Budaj as a 2nd?

 

[bob77]

Trading McNabb is probably not a workable proposition when the expansion draft is taken into consideration. If Greene fails to hit 40 games this year (which is iffy with his injury issues) and we trade McNabb, we would have to expose one of Doughty, Martinez, Muzzin or Forbort. That's obviously a non-starter, so we will probably have to hold on to McNabb regardless.

Ah!!! Someone that has read all the rules like me! Someone suggested earlier if it came down to this that they would try to sign Gilbert to another year.

 

[YP44]

So when Quick returns, does LA keep Budaj as a 2nd?

easily yes

 

[Sleeping Dog]

easily yes

But that might expose Zatkoff to waivers on his way to ECHL.

 

[onlyalad]

So when Quick returns, does LA keep Budaj as a 2nd?

Budaj is a UFA and I think it is wise to leave him unsigned until after the expansion draft. Let him know they are looking to keep him, but if they sign him early he could be a target.
The guy is having a great year by his standards and has earned the backup next year.

 

[driller1]

Budaj is a UFA and I think it is wise to leave him unsigned until after the expansion draft. Let him know they are looking to keep him, but if they sign him early he could be a target.
The guy is having a great year by his standards and has earned the backup next year.

That would be great if they took Budaj. The alternatives are McNabb, Forbort, or Dowd. Finding a backup to play 15 games is easier than replacing one of the 3 mentioned above, not to mention their salary/contribution.

 

[onlyalad]

That would be great if they took Budaj. The alternatives are McNabb, Forbort, or Dowd. Finding a backup to play 15 games is easier than replacing one of the 3 mentioned above, not to mention their salary/contribution.

Assuming Quick comes back. But if come March and Quick needs surgery because voodoo and physical therapy have failed relying on Zatkoff and Campbell would not be my first plan.

 

[driller1]

Assuming Quick comes back. But if come March and Quick needs surgery because voodoo and physical therapy have failed relying on Zatkoff and Campbell would not be my first plan.

If Quick doesn't come back, we might as well put Zaks back in net and tank. Budaj can help the team tread water, but just isn't good enough to win in the playoffs.

 

[mrc23]

Ah!!! Someone that has read all the rules like me! Someone suggested earlier if it came down to this that they would try to sign Gilbert to another year.

That's a good idea. It would require us identifying the need early enough (i.e, a McNabb trade or Greene long-term injury), coming to an agreement with Gilbert, and squeezing him into 7 games down the stretch. Being in the midst of a playoff push, and with Gilbert having played only one game in the last month, that last one might be a little tricky.

 

[lumbergh]

Budaj is a UFA and I think it is wise to leave him unsigned until after the expansion draft. Let him know they are looking to keep him, but if they sign him early he could be a target.
The guy is having a great year by his standards and has earned the backup next year.

I think the Kings should go ahead and sign Budaj. If he gets picked in the expansion draft, it's a win-win. The Kings keep all the skaters they want, Budaj gets to compete for a starter job next year, and Vegas gets a NHL goalie.

 

[Reaper45]

That's a good idea. It would require us identifying the need early enough (i.e, a McNabb trade or Greene long-term injury), coming to an agreement with Gilbert, and squeezing him into 7 games down the stretch. Being in the midst of a playoff push, and with Gilbert having played only one game in the last month, that last one might be a little tricky.

I would sign Gilbert just to keep my options open. Worst case scenario you waive him next season and stuff him in Ontario.

 

[The Tikkanen]

I think the Kings should go ahead and sign Budaj. If he gets picked in the expansion draft, it's a win-win. The Kings keep all the skaters they want, Budaj gets to compete for a starter job next year, and Vegas gets a NHL goalie.

And I wouldn't assume Quick is going to be 100% healthy next season either. He's not even skating yet, did not have surgery. The first time he steps on the ice he may aggravate the injury and opt for surgery. In this day and age with surgery the way it is with lasers and all I don't hear about too many athletes opting for rehab who don't have a major surgery after that route doesn't work. This may be just a huge delay for major surgery and the way things have gone for the Kings it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

And I wouldn't assume Quick is going to be 100% healthy next season either. He's not even skating yet, did not have surgery. The first time he steps on the ice he may aggravate the injury and opt for surgery. In this day and age with surgery the way it is with lasers and all I don't hear about too many athletes opting for rehab who don't have a major surgery after that route doesn't work. This may be just a huge delay for major surgery and the way things have gone for the Kings it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Back when they were discussion options--surgery or rehab--I seem to remember them opting for rehab because, as DL said, this route may see him coming back even better than ever. Now obviously, Quick is aging, has a series of injuries, plays like a maniac, and anything could happen, but I feel like they wouldn't have done this--knowing its taking 6 months--only to see how it responds before going forward with surgery.

 

[YP44]

Back when they were discussion options--surgery or rehab--I seem to remember them opting for rehab because, as DL said, this route may see him coming back even better than ever. Now obviously, Quick is aging, has a series of injuries, plays like a maniac, and anything could happen, but I feel like they wouldn't have done this--knowing its taking 6 months--only to see how it responds before going forward with surgery.

I think it was an educated roll of the dice either way. No Guarantees with either route, however people tend to focus on doom and gloom. There is also the possibility the rehab works, he comes back and returns to elite form, and helps LA on a playoff run.

 

[deeshamrock]

I think the Kings should go ahead and sign Budaj. If he gets picked in the expansion draft, it's a win-win. The Kings keep all the skaters they want, Budaj gets to compete for a starter job next year, and Vegas gets a NHL goalie.

except that he's not a starter and a large degree of his current success it tied to the team he plays for. That won't be the case on most teams he would play for next year, including Vegas.
Fluery will most likely be the starter for the Knights. As long as the Pens feel they can win another cup this year, they need to keep him in case Murray gets hurt.

 

[YP44]

except that he's not a starter and a large degree of his current success it tied to the team he plays for. That won't be the case on most teams he would play for next year, including Vegas.
Fluery will most likely be the starter for the Knights. As long as the Pens feel they can win another cup this year, they need to keep him in case Murray gets hurt.

I still do not understand why Fleury waives his NMC for Vegas. I think he will waive in order to be the starter somewhere. I just think that Fleury will limit the teams before regressing to Vegas.

 

[Fishhead]

I still do not understand why Fleury waives his NMC for Vegas. I think he will waive in order to be the starter somewhere. I just think that Fleury will limit the teams before regressing to Vegas.

I agree. If you are trying to prove you still have it, the last thing you want to do is sign up for an expansion franchise where you might be playing behind a team like the '93 Sharks.

 

[tsanuri]

I agree. If you are trying to prove you still have it, the last thing you want to do is sign up for an expansion franchise where you might be playing behind a team like the '93 Sharks.

With the current expansion draft rules and the cap requirements this will be the most competitive expansion team ever.
Unless you count 67 having all the new team's in one conference to be a sacrificial lamb to the six existing teams successful.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I still do not understand why Fleury waives his NMC for Vegas. I think he will waive in order to be the starter somewhere. I just think that Fleury will limit the teams before regressing to Vegas.

Who knows if Vegas will even want Fleury. They might sign Bishop before the draft even takes place.

 

[johnjm22]

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Quick at all this season.

I also wouldn't be surprised if his name starts to get mentioned in the "bad contract" discussion sooner rather than later.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Jonathan Quick, age 31, 5.8 million/year until 2023. 13th highest cap hit amongst goaltenders.

Lundqvist, age 34, 8.5 million/year to 2021.

Even if Quick falls apart, with respect to good-to-great goaltenders, his contract is more do-able.

 

[johnjm22]

Jonathan Quick, age 31, 5.8 million/year until 2023. 13th highest cap hit amongst goaltenders.

Lundqvist, age 34, 8.5 million/year to 2021.

Even if Quick falls apart, with respect to good-to-great goaltenders, his contract is more do-able.

If he falls apart, it's a bad contract. Another anchor on the roster. I don't see how that's "do-able." Just because other contracts are bad or worse, doesn't change that.

 

[BigKing]

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Quick at all this season.

I also wouldn't be surprised if his name starts to get mentioned in the "bad contract" discussion sooner rather than later.

Agreed. Like any long-term deal though, this was known the moment it was signed.

The nightmare scenario, however, would be if he really falls apart and we are looking at Martin Jones killing it. Then you got to think about what the team would look like if DL traded Quick for a good haul as opposed to making the Lucic deal or maybe doing both.

Much like how player's of Brown's ilk decline after 30, time is not usually favorable to athletic goalies either.