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WJC: 2016 — Finland Roster Talk

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Pretty damn good team for Finland.
Not surprise Vaakanainen got cut out.

He's great prospect and he'll be Finland's team next years U20 WJC's.
This team absolutely has a chance to get a medal which color it'll be games will show that.

Good job for Jukka Jalonen
 
I'd had hoped Vaakanainen made it. Expecting a lot of him in the future. Plus it's always nice to have some 16 year old skating out there and making a name for himself in an international ice early on. If the reports of his early success in the Liga had any merit it wouldn't have been that much of a shocker. Then again didn't get a chance to view the pre-competition games so no idea how he did out there. Anyway, his time will come next year no doubt about it.
 
FiLe said:
They're good, but not McDavid/Eichel/Matthews kind of good, which may be a bit underwhelming. For a Canadian, I mean. Especially since the tournament also features individuals who may be even a bit better, like Willy Nylander and our very own Rantanen.

I see no reason to call 'em anything but high end talent, but like I said, it's a matter of perspective.
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So you think Rantanen is better then Strome and Marner? I get that he is having a very good season in the AHL but that seems pretty premature.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
So you think Rantanen is better then Strome and Marner? I get that he is having a very good season in the AHL but that seems pretty premature.
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It'd be a bit premature to say which one of them is going to have the most impressive career, but I'd say Rantanen is a better player than Strome and Marner right now. Which is all that matters for the next two weeks, not their future selves.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
So you think Rantanen is better then Strome and Marner? I get that he is having a very good season in the AHL but that seems pretty premature.
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Premature? They all just got drafted and I would say Rantanen has had the best season so far out of the three. It would be premature to assume any of the mentioned would be better than the rest in the future, but as of today I would have Rantanen above the other two. He is playing in a much tougher league and is the closest when it comes to knocking the door to NHL. So right now, yes he propably is better than than his peers.
 
FiLe said:
It'd be a bit premature to say which one of them is going to have the most impressive career, but I'd say Rantanen is a better player than Strome and Marner right now. Which is all that matters for the next two weeks, not their future selves.
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Fair enough I get why you would think that but I'm not sure to say that he is better then either of them right now. Went through that a lot last season with Nylander playing pro and Larkin in NCAA now Larkin has made the jump seamlessly. Rantanen might be better then both but I don't think enough has happened in the last 6 months to pass the 3 and 4 picks in the draft.
 
kelsier said:
Premature? They all just got drafted and I would say Rantanen has had the best season so far out of the three. It would be premature to assume any of the mentioned would be better than the rest in the future, but as of today I would have Rantanen above the other two. He is playing in a much tougher league and is the closest when it comes to knocking the door to NHL. So right now, yes he propably is better than than his peers.
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It's a tough comparison considering Marner and Strome didn't have the option of playing in the AHL this year. The choice was strictly NHL or CHL. We really don't know what kind of numbers they would have put up, and you can't look at Rantanen being in the AHL and assume he has progressed further because he is playing in a higher level league. It's all about transfer agreements here. What we do know is that Marner and Strome are tearing it up in the place they happen to be playing in.

I guess for a straight comparison we'll just have to wait for some sort of magical event to come along that would feature all of the top players in the world from a certain age range, playing one another. :laugh:
 
kelsier said:
Premature? They all just got drafted and I would say Rantanen has had the best season so far out of the three. It would be premature to assume any of the mentioned would be better than the rest in the future, but as of today I would have Rantanen above the other two. He is playing in a much tougher league and is the closest when it comes to knocking the door to NHL. So right now, yes he propably is better than than his peers.
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Clearly every NHL team in the top 5 of the draft did not agree with you...Strome and Marner are better players than Rantanen straight up. Those guys could both play in the AHL if they wanted too and do very well.
 
nelsojc said:
Clearly every NHL team in the top 5 of the draft did not agree with you...Strome and Marner are better players than Rantanen straight up. Those guys could both play in the AHL if they wanted too and do very well.
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There is no way you can say who is better with that kind of absolute certainty, unless you think that their draft positions affect their game, which is clearly not true. They are all great and promising prospects and I doubt that there is any meaningful way to assess who is better than who at the moment.
 
nelsojc said:
Clearly every NHL team in the top 5 of the draft did not agree with you...Strome and Marner are better players than Rantanen straight up. Those guys could both play in the AHL if they wanted too and do very well.
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Those teams weren't drafting based on who would be the best half a year after the draft. The picked based on who they thought would be best in the future...though even there it's easy to argue that Rantanen was picked later than he should've been.
 
cgf said:
Those teams weren't drafting based on who would be the best half a year after the draft. The picked based on who they thought would be best in the future...though even there it's easy to argue that Rantanen was picked later than he should've been.
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Definitely, playing in Europe definitely gave him the chance to drop, as happens so often with these top picks.
 
Statsy said:
I guess for a straight comparison we'll just have to wait for some sort of magical event to come along that would feature all of the top players in the world from a certain age range, playing one another. :laugh:
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Magical is right since many of the best 18 and 19 year olds in the world are already in the NHL like Ekblad, Eichel, McDavid, Larkin, Ehlers, etc....so I guess you're going to have to keep waiting for such an event.;)
 
Raimo Sillanpää said:
We had exactly that in 2005:
Canada 8-1 Sweden, 8-1 Finland, 6-1 Russia

Was not very exciting, this is much better.
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More viewer-friendly perhaps, but I see no reason saying it's a better tournament because one team is handicapped by circumstance. If Canada is that good with all their best in, then they are that good.

Of course, we wouldn't be having this discussion about Strome and Marner in the first place if they were bringing the likes of McDavid, Fabbri and McCann to Helsinki.
 
FiLe said:
More viewer-friendly perhaps, but I see no reason saying it's a better tournament because one team is handicapped by circumstance. If Canada is that good with all their best in, then they are that good.

Of course, we wouldn't be having this discussion about Strome and Marner in the first place if they were bringing the likes of McDavid, Fabbri and McCann to Helsinki.
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This. Even if Finland happened to win through some miracle of "deus ex machina" it would be only wrongly won. And the only fair and gentleman like act from the team and its management in the medal ceremonies would be an offical rejection of the gold after receiving the medals and instead offering the first price in a humble manner to the Canucks, bowing deep when saying: "in the name of absent McJesus and His Loyal apostles like - eh - Fabbri...we hereby give the Gold to the brave and proud descendants of the Hockey Nation whose game ice hockey is and always will be and we are just unworthy guests in their Great Maple House of Hockey God."

TSN would be in exctasy; Ray Ferraro would call it at the location a "superb gesture and one fine act by the great Finns" and Bob MacKenzie would say to a TV camera somewhere in Toronto, apparently in some tall tower, that it was "actually a deserved win for Canada given that McJesus didn't participate and absent were also eh Fabbri and McCann and Josh Ho-Sang."

In TV feed Craig Button flashes in a golden silk tie standing in the company of Goran Stubb and Kalervo Kummola in a VIP box, all smiling eyes gleaming toasting champagne.
 
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Loffer said:
This. Even if Finland happened to win through some miracle of "deus ex machina" it would be only wrongly won. And the only fair and gentleman like act from the team and its management in the medal ceremonies would be an offical rejection of the gold after receiving the medals and instead offering the first price in a humble manner to the Canucks, bowing deep when saying: "in the name of absent McJesus and His Loyal apostles like - eh - Fabbri...we hereby give the Gold to the brave and proud descendants of the Hockey Nation whose game ice hockey is and always will be and we are just unworthy guests in their Great Maple House of Hockey God."

TSN would be in exctasy; Ray Ferraro would call it at the location a "superb gesture and one fine act by the great Finns" and Bob MacKenzie would say to a TV camera somewhere in Toronto, apparently in some tall tower, that it was "actually a deserved win for Canada given that McJesus didn't participate and absent were also eh Fabbri and McCann and Josh Ho-Sang."

In TV feed Craig Button flashes in a golden silk tie standing in the company of Goran Stubb and Kalervo Kummola in a VIP box, all smiling eyes gleaming toasting champagne.
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But then last year gold medals should've been given to finns, as Barkov exists
 
^ I don't know where all this is going but:

I'm not a fan of having Laine and Puljujärvi on the same line.. let them be snipers on their own lines so Puljujärvi can play like last year, rather than him being reduced by Laine into a playmaker/grinder type of role.

I wanted Laine and Rantanen to be on the same line.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
^ I don't know where all this is going but:

I'm not a fan of having Laine and Puljujärvi on the same line.. let them be snipers on their own lines so Puljujärvi can play like last year, rather than him being reduced by Laine into a playmaker/grinder type of role.

I wanted Laine and Rantanen to be on the same line.
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Puljujärvi hasn't really showed any sniper qualities this year. Playing as third wheel for Aho/Laine might work better than having his "own" line.
 
JJTT said:
Puljujärvi hasn't really showed any sniper qualities this year. Playing as third wheel for Aho/Laine might work better than having his "own" line.
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I know but I was hoping he would regain the momentum by being put on the same role as last year
 
How does Finland's defence/goalies look this year? I am familiar with the forwards but not caught up to speed on D/G.
 
Offense 4,5/5
Defence 3/5
Goaltending 4/5

On paper defence is clearly Finland's weak point. Offense is best ever in my opinion.

On the net we have two allready proven good FEL goalies.
 
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