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WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part IV)

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Newmanation said:
This marner hate is getting crazy. My honest assessment: at times been the most noticeable player on the ice, could easily have more points if linemates had a bit more finish, also hit a post. He's a had some good very zone entries and has puck handling skills and vision that nobody else on the team has. BUT, you can tell isn't physically ready which results in losing puck battles/turnovers. That being said he has not been a turn over machine like some are claiming for whatever reason. Other than the first 2 periods of the U.S. game I don't know how any objective viewer can say he's been massive disappointment. To me he stands out almost every shift. I know this is hypothetical, but it'd be interesting to read this thread if stromes crazy angle goal doesn't go in yesterday and marners shot goes in rather than hit the post.
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alot of people are using recency bias to make deductions about Marner and why other prospects are better than him. Meanwhile in the CHL, he has dominated against all these players for over a year and a half except Strome. Its typical HF, but I'm not worried about the kid he'll be a star. Sure he needs to put on weight and has a few holes in his game, but that's nothing babcock can't iron out of him. He'll be a solid NHL'er soon enough.
 
X66 said:
US Caught them on the back end of the back to back, just like the Swiss caught us on the back end of a back to back.

'yikes'

lol ;)
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That's not the reason that the US is outscoring them 10-1 (with a period still to go) and Canada needed a shootout to win.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
That's not the reason that the US is outscoring them 10-1 (with a period still to go) and Canada needed a shootout to win.
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It definitely has something to do with it lol. USA isn't +9 GF differential better than Canada. They were playing for their lives yesterday and they still couldn't win. One goal against vs the USA and they gave up.
 
snizzbone said:
It definitely has something to do with it lol. USA isn't +9 GF differential better than Canada. They were playing for their lives yesterday and they still couldn't win. One goal against vs the USA and they gave up.
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Or maybe the US is just playing better than Canada did yesterday and the reason isn't just back to back games. lol.
 
snizzbone said:
It definitely has something to do with it lol. USA isn't +9 GF differential better than Canada. They were playing for their lives yesterday and they still couldn't win. One goal against vs the USA and they gave up.
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A lot of truth to this. A 2-0 lead gave the Swiss something to fight for. They did not have that today.

Having said that, we need to find a way to score. Getting a lead would really help.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
Or maybe the US is just playing better than Canada did yesterday and the reason isn't just back to back games. lol.
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You can play better than we did sure, but that doesn't mean a team is going to win like 15-1 like USA is on pace to do. THis isn't the same Swiss team as yesterday. Switzerland got an early lead against us and that made them believe they could win. Of course they ended up losing anyways. And then the next day they play the USA and USA gets an early goal, making Switzerland give up.

USA is def the better team but using the score as the reason why isn't a good reason.
 
snipes said:
After a bit of time to reflect on this team I honestly think we're going to peak in the elimination rounds and be a force. Konecny and Barzal are better skaters than anyone I have seen in the tournament. They took the Swiss a bit too lightly but we definitely not be in an position to do so from here on out.

This team is sorely lacking in the physical play and it is showing. Barely anyone is finishing their checks and finishing checks often times creates offensive chances because it puts a defender out of position for a half second that leads to open opportunities.

The boys need to stop being so cute with the puck and just get it to the net as often as they can (i.e. Denmark game). Also the obvious coaching decisions that have been extensively discussed apply.

Objectively, this team is extremely talented and capable of beating anyone in this tournament. If they catch fire during the Sweden game and through the elimination round they are capable of winning gold. But if they continue to pass up finishing their checks, awful PP strategy, and double shifting players who shouldn't be double shifted we might be in for an earlier QF exit. I think the boys will pull it together though.

GO CANADA GO!!
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Good post. I can't believe how easy Canada is making it for opposing d-men to make their play. By the time the 2nd period rolls around they should have their heads on a swivel and be in a hurry to make a play rather than feeling comfortable about having time to identify options.
Crank up the physical play boys, you can do it.
 
I have not seen the Czechs play. Do they have a chance against the Fins?
 
Curufinwe said:
Back to back doesn't excuse Canada's pathetic lack of offense yesterday.
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I'd believe the lack of offence thing if they didn't get many chances.

I also don't think anyone that watched the game would say "Hey, Canada only deserved to score 2 goals".
 
snizzbone said:
You can play better than we did sure, but that doesn't mean a team is going to win like 15-1 like USA is on pace to do. THis isn't the same Swiss team as yesterday. Switzerland got an early lead against us and that made them believe they could win. Of course they ended up losing anyways. And then the next day they play the USA and USA gets an early goal, making Switzerland give up.

USA is def the better team but using the score as the reason why isn't a good reason.
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I didn't say they should have put up the same score as the US did...I said it was foolish to reduce the reason for the differential in the two games to back to back games. There were coaching and performance problems with the Canadian team yesterday that ought to have been apparent to anyone watching.

Curufinwe said:
Back to back doesn't excuse Canada's pathetic lack of offense yesterday.
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Hopefully the coaching staff is more attuned to the problems the team faced yesterday than some of the people ITT...although, I don't hold out much hope.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
Or maybe the US is just playing better than Canada did yesterday and the reason isn't just back to back games. lol.
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It's a combination of a lot of things - one of which was the Swiss blowing their load yesterday. I would have bet good money that the U.S. was going to blow out the Swiss today.
 
There are so many reasons you can look at USA beating SUI 10-1 compared to the CAN and SUI 3-2 shootout win yesterday. The reality is, hockey is hockey and there is no real way to compare the teams until they play again in the medal rounds, if they even do. USA beat Canada 4-2 in a very close game that was unfortunately decided by 2 deflections by Canada's own players on the 3-2 go ahead goal and the 4-2 goal. You can't really use games against Switzerland to determine which team is better, the tournament isn't over yet.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I didn't say they should have put up the same score as the US did...I said it was foolish to reduce the reason for the differential in the two games to back to back games. There were coaching and performance problems with the Canadian team yesterday that ought to have been apparent to anyone watching.
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How long have you been watching hockey?

Back to backs play a role.

It wasn't the be all end all, but it's a bigger issue than you think.
 
Con420 said:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Virtanen has been complete trash he did nothing yesterday...Yes the Strome line was doing things in the third but Virtanen wasn't apart of it he was constantly missing the net going offside by a mile turning the puck over and just generally floating and making bad plays in the offensive zone.

I'm starting to wonder if he's secretly trying to sabotage Canada for Finand hes been that bad every single game...Someone needs to strip the maple Leaf of his Jersey.
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Marner was complete garbage yesterday.


At least Virtanen played well in the 3rd.

I especially loved when Virtanen drew a 5 on 3 and marner and Hickets spent 25 of the 30 seconds available for the 5 on 3 passing the puck at the blue line.
 
i think everyone remembers the drubbing the States gave the czechs and Slovaks in 2014 Olympics, then Canada went on to dominate them in the medal round.

Now, I don't think Canada is better than the States this year but scores mean nothing until they count.
 
MapleLeafs9 said:
There are so many reasons you can look at USA beating SUI 10-1 compared to the CAN and SUI 3-2 shootout win yesterday. The reality is, hockey is hockey and there is no real way to compare the teams until they play again in the medal rounds, if they even do. USA beat Canada 4-2 in a very close game that was unfortunately decided by 2 deflections by Canada's own players on the 3-2 go ahead goal and the 4-2 goal. You can't really use games against Switzerland to determine which team is better, the tournament isn't over yet.
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X66 said:
How long have you been watching hockey?

Back to backs play a role.

It wasn't the be all end all, but it's a bigger issue than you think.
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It doesn't matter, guys.
 
stavs said:
alot of people are using recency bias to make deductions about Marner and why other prospects are better than him. Meanwhile in the CHL, he has dominated against all these players for over a year and a half except Strome. Its typical HF, but I'm not worried about the kid he'll be a star. Sure he needs to put on weight and has a few holes in his game, but that's nothing babcock can't iron out of him. He'll be a solid NHL'er soon enough.
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He reminds me of Kadri.

Tons of offensive IQ. Smallish. Over-handles the puck. Not an excellent skater.
 
X66 said:
How long have you been watching hockey?

Back to backs play a role.

It wasn't the be all end all, but it's a bigger issue than you think.
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Obviously much longer than you have if your only response to the score differential between the two games was "US Caught them on the back end of the back to back, just like the Swiss caught us on the back end of a back to back. 'yikes' lol"
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
Obviously much longer than you have if your only response to the score differential between the two games was "US Caught them on the back end of the back to back, just like the Swiss caught us on the back end of a back to back. 'yikes' lol"
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There are mountains of evidence corroborating the effect of playing back-to-back games. It's a factor. Given the intensity of yesterday's game vs. Canada, you can bet it's an even bigger factor than it would otherwise be today also.

Is it the only reason? No, not at all. But it's a major one for sure.
 
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