WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part II)

[BondraTime]

Marcus Stroman and Josh Donaldson are wayyyy better than Shirley though. I mean, as dominant as Shirley is, I still see Stroman and Donaldon dominating at the WJC. They're pretty much locks at this point.

I was thinking more along the lines of this

Osuna - Stroman - Donaldson
Brady Gilmour - Lemieux - Burgess
Bautista - McCann - Virtanen
Dal Cole - Merkley - Patrick
Ho-Sang

You realize what's going on right?

I'm not sure you do to be honest...

 

[Dod93Cityt]

I know but Ibrahimovic will replace him and we'll be fine. I won't be a happy camper but at least we'll have Ibrahimovic on the wing.

Im not even sure I want to cheer for Canada this year if Shirley isnt there, HC needs to get there **** together and bring him.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Im not even sure I want to cheer for Canada this year if Shirley isnt there, HC needs to get there **** together and bring him.

I don't think you have to worry, when they start Collin the guys on the team, Shirley he'll be there.

 

[wings5]

Although I like his technical ability, I'm thinking it's not impossible that McDonald is not on this team.

 

[tfantasy]

Beaullivier - Marner - Watson
Shirley - Point - Konecy
Crouse - Strome - Chartier
Perlini - Barzal - Richard
Hawryluk

Hicketts - Dermott
Mckeowan - Sanheim
Van Sompel - Fleury
Chychurun

Blackwood
Sawchenko
Wells

 

[Mehar]

Collin Shirley. a winger in the WHL of very little distinction who has absolutely no business being anywhere near Team Canada at an elite level tournament and whose only experience with Hockey Canada at any point (before this year's WHL v Russia games) was a U17 tournament 2012-13 Canada West. He did attend a summer Hlinka camp but was cut. If he's invited to December camp I'd be shocked. If he makes the team, then I'm giving up watching the junior tournament forever.

But, he's a legend. ))) And the legend grows.

It was fun while it lasted, but please let us go back to topic and discuss this team seriously. Shirley is not making the team, so let's turn the page on that.

 

[tfantasy]

Canada plays the CIS team on the 12th and 13th. Apparently TSN is going to broadcast it so that would give me something to watch.

 

[JackSlater]

Although I like his technical ability, I'm thinking it's not impossible that McDonald is not on this team.

It's possible. It at least looks like Blackwood has firmly surpassed him.

I think the only locks at this point are:

Point, Crouse, Marner, Strome, Barzal, Konecny, Beauvillier, Hicketts, Sanheim, Fleury, Blackwood.

 

[AlexanderTheGood]

Francis Perron (OTT, 2014) - Brayden Point (TBL, 2014) - Jake Virtanen (VAN, 2014)
Jake DeBrusk (BOS, 2015) - Dylan Strome (ARI, 2015) - Mitch Marner (TOR, 2015)
Lawson Crouse (FLA, 2014) - Anthony Beauvillier (NYI, 2015) - Spencer Watson (LAK, 2015)
Andrew Mangiapane (CGY, 2015) - Michael Dal Colle (NYI, 2015) - Nicolas Aubé-Kubel (PHI, 2014)
Travis Konecny (PHI, 2015) / Matthew Barzal (NYI, 2015)

Travis Sanheim (PHI, 2014) - Noah Juulsen (MTL, 2015)
Brandon Hickey (CGY, 2014) - Joe Hicketts (DET, FA)
Travis Dermott (TOR, 2015) - Thomas Chabot (OTT, 2015)
Haydn Fleury (CAR, 2014) / Jérémy Lauzon (BOS, 2015)

Mackenzie Blackwood (NJD, 2015)
Mason McDonald (CGY, 2014)
Zack Sawchenko (2016) / Carter Hart (2016)

 

[Canada4Gold]

I think Barzal and Konecny are both locks, I don't see either being the 13th forward, and especially not to leave the other one off the team altogether

 

[Halfy]

All you people that said Walman shouldn't make the team solely based on the fact he "chose the USA" are the same people that criticize them for not taking the "best players" for the tournament every year. If he is among the best defenceman, why not take him? You'd be stupid not to, and a top PP QB like that in a short tourney would be invaluable.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

I think Barzal and Konecny are both locks, I don't see either being the 13th forward, and especially not to leave the other one off the team altogether

In the preview Bob McKenzie made it sounded like they were both locks, that HC was hoping for bit tournaments from both of them.

 

[JackSlater]

All you people that said Walman shouldn't make the team solely based on the fact he "chose the USA" are the same people that criticize them for not taking the "best players" for the tournament every year. If he is among the best defenceman, why not take him? You'd be stupid not to, and a top PP QB like that in a short tourney would be invaluable.

Those are completely different issues obviously. Walman wants to play for another team in the tournament, a team that Canada will definitely play against. If he thinks that little of playing for Canada, then he should sit this tournament out and wait a few months until his American eligibility kicks in. I would rather a wasted pick like Frederik Gauthier or Josh Anderson (circa 2014) than select a player who wants to play for another team in the tournament. Walman stupidly picked USA, and he should have to stick with it now.

 

[Stats01]

I basically agree with this, although I think it's important people recognize he is much more skilled and dynamic than Marner, Strome, Barzal, even Point. Just goes to show how little skill really matters in success and winning. You have to apply yourself and have the discipline to play consistently within a team structure.

LOL Ho-Sang is not more skilled and dynamic than Marner and Barzal. Maybe Strome and Point but Marner and Barzal are insanely skilled and dynamic.

 

[stokie]

I think when you look at Ho-Sang you can say he has the same amount of skill as Marner and Barzal. It's just his decision making and how/when/if he uses his other linemates that is the problem. I watched an interview with his coach Williamson and when the coach says he has to argue with him about how to play in certain situations that is a problem. But when you talk pure skill, he definitely has that.

 

[X66]

I have a hard time seeing Dermott being left off the team. Tied for the lead in OHL D scoring.

High IQ and good mobility.

 

[93LEAFS]

LOL Ho-Sang is not more skilled and dynamic than Marner and Barzal. Maybe Strome and Point but Marner and Barzal are insanely skilled and dynamic.

Maybe more dynamic than Strome but he's definitely not more skilled. Strome's passing, vision, and shot all border on elite, he's just not a high end skater and plays a fairly cerebral game.

 

[nelsojc]

Anybody know what time they will be announcing the selection camp roster tomorrow?

 

[1967th Heaven]

Here's my buddies roster


Dal Colle- Point- Watson
Crouse- Strome - Marner
Perlini - Bleackley - Ho sang
Chartier - Barzal - Konecny
Merkley

Fleury - Hicketts
Sanheim - Mckeown
Dermott - Juulsen
Walman

McDonald
Blackwood

(Assuming Fabbri, Virtanen and McCann don't get released)

 

[Jerrico]

Why are people still putting Dal Colle on their rosters? By all reports he has been very underwhelming. Draft pedigree should be completely irrelevant when making a team. I don't know how anyone can justify putting Dal Colle on the team over someone like Perron.

 

[86Habs]

Why are people still putting Dal Colle on their rosters? By all reports he has been very underwhelming. Draft pedigree should be completely irrelevant when making a team. I don't know how anyone can justify putting Dal Colle on the team over someone like Perron.

If the team were picked right now I'd have to think he would be on the outside looking in, but like every year performance at the December camp will ultimately decide the composition of the team.

Points in his favour are: 1) game-breaking shot and scoring ability from the left side; 2) good size; 3) key piece of Memorial Cup championship team (i.e., the experience factor); 4) strong skater; 5) draft pedigree.

Conversely, as has been discussed he's off to a slow start. While not bad defensively, his contributions would probably be limited to an offensive role, so he's not an ideal candidate to slot into a bottom-6 / 13th forward type of role on the team. We're also fairly deep on the left side this year, so he'll have strong competition for a roster spot (if he was a natural RW, he'd have a much better chance IMO).

Putting aside the slow start, if he's put in a position to find chemistry on a scoring line in the December camp alongside Strome, Point, Barzal, Marner and the like, and takes advantage of that opportunity, I think he'll make the squad. If not, and he performs like he did last year at the December camp, he'll be left off.

 

[leafsfuture]

Why are people still putting Dal Colle on their rosters? By all reports he has been very underwhelming. Draft pedigree should be completely irrelevant when making a team. I don't know how anyone can justify putting Dal Colle on the team over someone like Perron.

Well Dal Colle had I think 1 goal and 9 points in his first 14 games. So that would mean in his last 10 games, he has 6 goals and 11 points. Not great, but those stats are good enough to warrant a player of his calibre making camp.

At the end of the day, he is 100% getting invited to camp. From there all that matters is how he looks

I dont know if he will make it, but I expect a player of his pedigree and age to end up making it.

 

[xIsle]

Here's my buddies roster


Dal Colle- Point- Watson
Crouse- Strome - Marner
Perlini - Bleackley - Ho sang
Chartier - Barzal - Konecny
Merkley

Fleury - Hicketts
Sanheim - Mckeown
Dermott - Juulsen
Walman

McDonald
Blackwood

(Assuming Fabbri, Virtanen and McCann don't get released)

Canada is not just BC to Ontario (with one player from Halifax - find the intruder!) No Quebecois? I highly doubt that. Beauvillier is almost a lock and he won't be the only one.

 

[1Gold Standard]

If the team were picked right now I'd have to think he would be on the outside looking in, but like every year performance at the December camp will ultimately decide the composition of the team.

Points in his favour are: 1) game-breaking shot and scoring ability from the left side; 2) good size; 3) key piece of Memorial Cup championship team (i.e., the experience factor); 4) strong skater; 5) draft pedigree.

Conversely, as has been discussed he's off to a slow start. While not bad defensively, his contributions would probably be limited to an offensive role, so he's not an ideal candidate to slot into a bottom-6 / 13th forward type of role on the team. We're also fairly deep on the left side this year, so he'll have strong competition for a roster spot (if he was a natural RW, he'd have a much better chance IMO).

Putting aside the slow start, if he's put in a position to find chemistry on a scoring line in the December camp alongside Strome, Point, Barzal, Marner and the like, and takes advantage of that opportunity, I think he'll make the squad. If not, and he performs like he did last year at the December camp, he'll be left off.

If Virtanen is released, then most likely Dal Colle gets cut if he doesn't own the camp. If Virtanen stays with the Nucks, then Dal Colle can mail it in, as I don't think HC will cut him. HC will cross their fingers, as will we, that Dal Colle can get his **** together. but that's highly doubtful at this point.

 

[xIsle]

If Virtanen is released, then most likely Dal Colle gets cut if he doesn't own the camp. If Virtanen stays with the Nucks, then Dal Colle can mail it in, as I don't think HC will cut him. HC will cross their fingers, as will we, that Dal Colle can get his **** together. but that's highly doubtful at this point.

I thought Dal Colle was a LW and Virtanen a RW? I don't see why both cannot make the team.
I think Dal Colle is more a "top 6 or nothing" while Virtanen can play a bottom 6 role.