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WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part II)

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therealdeal said:
It's been around a while as far as I know, there have been some players over the years that have "jumped ship" so to speak.

I believe Matt Dominchelli (sp? holy hell that's a hard name to guess at :laugh: ) now plays for a European country despite playing for Canada earlier on in his career. Switzerland I think...?

Didn't Petr Nedved also play for Canada in 1998 despite playing for the Czechs early on in his career?
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1994, he played for the Czech's after, don't know if he did before. I'd assume some of this is fallout from a different era.
 
Canada4Gold said:
lol if you want to put Chabot there and leave Dermott off make your own post, don't change my post and then change my wording. :shakehead

This defense is gonna be really tough to make. The top 8 or 9 are all really close, the only thing I can really say with any certainty is Hicketts likely makes it because he's returning, and Juulsen, and McKeown probably make it because they are the only righties. I left Chabot off because I like Fleury, Sanheim, Dermott, and Chychrun more, but they're all very close and a lot is going to depend on the camp.

We get it you want Chabot there because you're a Sens fan, I want Dermott because I'm a Leafs fan, you don't need to quote every Leafs fan who puts Dermott there and leaves Chabot off(seen you do it once already), and you especially don't need to be changing the posts you edit. If you want to have your own opinion then fine, post it don't edit it into my posts.
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okay okay... I thought it was fun
 
on the TSN preview show just now McKenzie put Dermott in the "locks and contenders" group on D with Hicketts, Sanheim, and Fleury.

Kinda surprising to me, I have him on my team, and want him there(Leafs fan) but I'd put him as the 6th or 7th guy there, and he could easily miss.
 
and now Button said he expects McDonald to likely get that opening Boxing day start. Another surprising opinion. I figured Blackwood had the inside track based on their performance this year.
 
Canada4Gold said:
and now Button said he expects McDonald to likely get that opening Boxing day start. Another surprising opinion. I figured Blackwood had the inside track based on their performance this year.
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It'll come down to the camp and the exhibition games. With international ice it takes some goalies a bit longer to adjust then others.
 
Gigantor The Goalie said:
It'll come down to the camp and the exhibition games. With international ice it takes some goalies a bit longer to adjust then others.
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it'll come down to camp like it usually does, but usually there's 1 goalie with the inside track, that if they play similar at camp that goalie gets it, the other goalie has to outright show that he's playing better.

I figured that would be Blackwood given his stats this year compared to McDonald, was surprised to hear Button think that McDonald had the inside track.
 
Canada4Gold said:
it'll come down to camp like it usually does, but usually there's 1 goalie with the inside track, that if they play similar at camp that goalie gets it, the other goalie has to outright show that he's playing better.

I figured that would be Blackwood given his stats this year compared to McDonald, was surprised to hear Button think that McDonald had the inside track.
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Well it is Button...
 
Anyone know what the policy on CHL supensions carrying over is? Blackwood looks like he may be getting a long one. And who is next in line? Possibly Hart?
 
I guess Aidin Hill is the next in line. He had a great showing at the CAN-RUS series.
 
Point - Barzal - Marner
Gauthier - Beaullivier - Watson
Crouse - Strome - Hawryluk
Dal Colle - Chartier - Konecy
Perlini

Hicketts - Fleury
Dermott - Mckeown
Sanheim - Walman
Juulsen

Blackwood
McDonald
Hill
 
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does a suspension prevent someone from playing a pre-tournament game? I would assume it does

If he doesn't get enough games to make him miss the actual tournament but enough that he can't play pre-tournament then he pretty much just lost the starters job.
 
Urbanskog said:
Not true.
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He has participated for at least four consecutive years (1460 days) in the national competitions of his new country, during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country and has not played for his previous country in an IIHF competition during this four year period.
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I'm guessing this would be violated if Walman were playing in the NHL. For those concerned about Walman becoming a high-end professional player, and representing the USA, his playing for the Canadian WJC team would* make him a Canadian for IIHF event purposes.

Hnat Dominichelli is a good example. He played for Switzerland in 2010, after playing exclusively in Switzerland since 2003. He, notably, had played for Canada in the Spengler Cup during that period, but the Spengler Cup is not an IIHF event.

*without putting any time into reading the definitions or other sections of the rules
 
Walman playing in the NHL he'd also be playing in the US though. It's not like he's playing in Canada and the US and then tries to play for Germany, yeah he's playing in Canada but in a league that plays Canada and the USA, would seem pretty stingy to not let him switch because he's playing in a league that 23 American teams, 7 Canadian ones so he's playing in Canada some of the time. Which American leagues could he play in then? The AHL has Canadian teams too.

I'd imagine the rule means playing in a league that's exclusively other countries. But maybe it doesn't, but then you're troubling USA getting players since no top level exclusive American leagues exist.(and you could say the same for Canadian leagues, and I guess Russian leagues too since the KHL includes teams from other countries)
 
Canada4Gold said:
Walman playing in the NHL he'd also be playing in the US though. It's not like he's playing in Canada and the US and then tries to play for Germany, yeah he's playing in Canada but in a league that plays Canada and the USA, would seem pretty stingy to not let him switch because he's playing in a league that 23 American teams, 7 Canadian ones so he's playing in Canada some of the time. Which American leagues could he play in then? The AHL has Canadian teams too.

I'd imagine the rule means playing in a league that's exclusively other countries. But maybe it doesn't, but then you're troubling USA getting players since no top level exclusive American leagues exist.(and you could say the same for Canadian leagues, and I guess Russian leagues too since the KHL includes teams from other countries)
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This is direct from the IIHF Statute and Bylaws:

406 1(3) Once a player has represented a country in any IIHF championship, or in the Olympic competition or in the qualification to these competitions he will not be eligible to represent another country excepting that he may apply to the IIHF to represent another country provided that:

(c) he has participated, on a consistent basis, for at least four consecutive years (1460 days) in the national competitions of his new country during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey for a team registered/located within any other country
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I agree that it is stingy, but without an example of someone who has been allowed to switch the country they represent contrary to a literal reading of this provision, you have to assume that it applies as written. To read it otherwise would suggest that an NHLer with dual Canada-US citizenship and past IIHF experience for Canada, could switch to representing the US internationally provided they have been playing for an American-based team for 4+ consecutive years. And I don't think that is the intention of the rule. Hockey Canada would have major objections to that interpretation.
 
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So he was drafted by the Blues, assuming he stays with them, that's him playing for a team registered in the USA. I don't think the fact that the Blues play 8+ games in Canada would affect that.

That's literally how I read it.

To make it otherwise would be unfair to USA/Canada/Russia, and some other countries because their major leagues involve teams from multiple countries.
 
N Bahn Ahden said:
This is direct from the IIHF Statute and Bylaws:



I agree that it is stingy, but without an example of someone who has been allowed to switch the country they represent contrary to a literal reading of this provision, you have to assume that it applies as written. To read it otherwise would suggest that an NHLer with dual Canada-US citizenship and past IIHF experience for Canada, could switch to representing the US internationally provided they have been playing for an American-based team for 4+ consecutive years. And I don't think that is the intention of the rule. Hockey Canada would have major objections to that interpretation.
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I believe the interpretation of that is, the IIHF accepts the NHL as the common domestic league for both Canada and the U.S., therefore playing for a U.S. based NHL team for a Canadian dual wouldn't in itself qualify, unless Hockey Canada were to agree with the transfer, signs off on his transfer card, it is then registered with the IIHF and then the mandatory 4 year period can be applied before he can play internationally for the U.S.

but that's just my interpretation.
 
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