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I think the team looks really good based on the camp roster. Don't know why some people are so fussed 
WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part II)
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Dal Colle Strome Marner
Beauvillier Point Watson
Perlini Barzal Gauthier
Crouse Hawryluk Konecny
Quenneville
Fleury Hicketts
Sanheim Juulsen
Hickey McKeown
Chabot/Walman/Dunn/Dermott/Chychrun (I don't know who pick for the 7th D. All those 5 can play the same offensive D role but by different ways.)
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Beauvillier Point Watson
Perlini Barzal Gauthier
Crouse Hawryluk Konecny
Quenneville
Fleury Hicketts
Sanheim Juulsen
Hickey McKeown
Chabot/Walman/Dunn/Dermott/Chychrun (I don't know who pick for the 7th D. All those 5 can play the same offensive D role but by different ways.)
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Unless my memory is completely failing me didn't they play together and perform very well at the summer camp? Yes, I know its not a true international event, but it typically gives some indication as to some combinations that the coaching staff are thinking through.
Strome is a pretty unique player; he certainly racks up the points. I saw Erie live last year and, aside from a goal he scored on a beautiful wrist shot to the top corner, he didn't stand out in any real way. He still ended up with 4 or 5 points though, in an 8-5 Erie win. Conversely McDavid stood out from the pack every shift he was on the ice.
Dod93Cityt
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Ridiculous.Everything you said has nothing to do with his decision, it hurts to watch you try to push that BS on people. I think it's absurd that we wouldnt want someone who is putting in that kind of production in college.
aaaaand you're going to say he's a no good traitor with no respect for Canada, fun!!
ummmmm? Have u watched him, they are nothing alike outside of being wingers and good skaters. Ho-Sang is shifty and pass first, Ovechkin is powerful (shifty for his size) with the best shot in the league. Ho-Sang's game is much closer to Kane if your using playing style as comparables but Ho-Sang is nowhere near as talented.
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Apparently Walman went to try out for the U.S team and the U.S olympic government said he didn't have enough paperwork to play for the Americans. "oh hey guys I went to try out for the American team but here I am now, yeah I don't think I want that guy on my team.
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no Meloche
no AUbe-Kudel
no Perron...
good stuff HC. Bring more WHL Garbage grinde.r..
****ing joke..
no AUbe-Kudel
no Perron...
good stuff HC. Bring more WHL Garbage grinde.r..
****ing joke..
Every player invited deserved an invite imo, yes maybe they could have expanded camp but it's no discredit to the ones that were chosen.
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Michael Dal Colle - Dylan Strome - Mitch Marner
Lawson Crouse - Braydon Point - Travis Konecny
Anthony Beauvillier - Mat Barzal - Julien Gauthier
Pierre-Luc Dubois - Joel Quenneville - Jayce Hawrlyuk
Spencer Watson
Virtanen would be great to have in Gauthier's place with Barzal and Beauvillier.
Travis Sanheim - Joe Hicketts
Haydn Fleury - Roland McKeown
Thomas Chabot - Noah Juulsen
Brandon Hickey
Lawson Crouse - Braydon Point - Travis Konecny
Anthony Beauvillier - Mat Barzal - Julien Gauthier
Pierre-Luc Dubois - Joel Quenneville - Jayce Hawrlyuk
Spencer Watson
Virtanen would be great to have in Gauthier's place with Barzal and Beauvillier.
Travis Sanheim - Joe Hicketts
Haydn Fleury - Roland McKeown
Thomas Chabot - Noah Juulsen
Brandon Hickey
JackSlater
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They played together in the summer, and Marner looked pretty good while Strome didn't impress. Hockey Canada seems to think that they work well together, but I don't see it at this point. They didn't look great together in the camp, they didn't play minor hockey together. They played in the U17 together and put up a lot of points, but I don't think it had anything to do with chemistry.
As far as how Strome plays, I'm fine with it. This isn't figure skating, so I'm glad to have Strome's tangible results. It's just mystifying. If he seems to float around and do nothing for Canada but gets results, then I will be happy.
Everything you said has nothing to do with his decision, it hurts to watch you try to push that BS on people. I think it's absurd that we wouldnt want someone who is putting in that kind of production in college.
aaaaand you're going to say he's a no good traitor with no respect for Canada, fun!!
Well cupcake it's pretty sad that my words regarding Walman hurt you so. I don't care what his production is - I want Canadian players who are loyal to team Canada. Walman is not, and thus his production is irrelevant. I would much rather lose with Canadian players who want to represent Canada than win with a Canadian who wants to represent USA. It's desperate and pathetic to chase after a player who turned down his own country to try and play for another.
Walman is nothing more than a mercenary at this point. I like to think that the players who wear the Canadian jersey actually want to play for Canada more than they do the opposition. When Walman plays USA, we literally know that he actually wants to play for the other team. How anyone could possibly support picking a player like that is beyond me.
Yeah the US olympic government is pretty powerful.
It may not even be that Walman wants to play for the US more than he did for Canada, this is his potentially only shot to represent someone at any level internationally, if he doesn't develop. Wouldn't you want to give it a shot at the place you have the best chance to make it if you're a dual eligible player who isn't a lock? His play this season is much better than last, if this is last year and he decides to play for Canada people likely say he made a mistake because he'd never make it.
At the time, he tried playing for the country that gave him his best chance. If he's dual eligible, I would think it's safe to assume he has some familiarity with the US? If you're a kid with options and you aren't a lock for one country, you definitely consider it. Until you have the option, it's hard to hate on the kid.. If I'm in his shoes, I know that I'd be going where my opportunity was the best.
At the time, he tried playing for the country that gave him his best chance. If he's dual eligible, I would think it's safe to assume he has some familiarity with the US? If you're a kid with options and you aren't a lock for one country, you definitely consider it. Until you have the option, it's hard to hate on the kid.. If I'm in his shoes, I know that I'd be going where my opportunity was the best.
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He's probably gonna shift back and forth when needed like he does in London. Jankowski made a point to highlight the fact he likes that Marner is versatile and that he has played centre in London.
I agree with your Walman points. I thought most would share your opinion but it seems not. It's one thing for a player like Chychurn to feel Canadian because he feels like a Canadian, plays in Canada, father is Canadian, played in Canada in midget and has spent summers here I have heard but for someone like Walman to go from playing for Canada at the U19s to the Americans at the Summer camp and again applying for them then he's back with Canada. It's just disrespectful, I don't care how young he is we don't need someone who doesn't feel a privilege to be Canadian. But think about the players, if I'm someone on the WJC team for Canada, I would feel sick to have this guy on my team. He doesn't want to be Canadian.
Say TSN interviews him and asks him "why did you choose to play with USA at the WJC Summer Camp?" He has nothing to say except, I felt I had a easier chance there. Well, clearly he doesn't think too highly of HC if he thinks he can go from Canada to USA to Canada.
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No, I wouldn't consider playing for whichever country gives me the best option. I would attempt to play for the country that I come from. I certainly hope that most players do not take such a self-serving view when it comes to international competition.
There are Canadian players who have been in similar situations (Marcus Foligno comes to mind) who attempted to make team Canada even though they had an "easier" option available to them. I respect those players for representing their country instead of being mercenaries just looking out for their own self interests.
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Crouse can pick up the defensive slack so to speak? That was my thinking anyways. If I'm allowed to use comparisons it would be like the current Landeskog-MacKinnon-Duchene line. Mack and Duchene are allowed to cheat a bit because Landeskog is there to do the heavy lifting defensively.
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Strome and Marner are good in their own end to be fair, I was thinking Crouse would make that top line very hard to play against, and they could even be used to protect leads down the stretch of the game. I like Crouse's game in the offensive end a bit more than MDC's to be fair, I think he's more than capable enough to hang with Marner and Strome offensively (albeit doing a bulk of the "dirty" work)
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For the record I wasn't saying anything about Strome or Marner's defensive games. I just think knowing they have someone like Crouse to count on doing the heavy lifting defensively they can feel more free to play their game which only means good thing for Canada. Good call on "hard to play against" part. Crouse definitely adds a dimension to that line. Having a wrecking ball as a puck retriever is always nice to have
Beauvillier - Strome - Marner
Dal Colle - Point - Konecny
Dubois - Barzal - Gauthier
Crouse - Quennevllle - Chartier
Merkley
Dal Colle - Point - Konecny
Dubois - Barzal - Gauthier
Crouse - Quennevllle - Chartier
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TheLeastOfTheBunch
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For the record I wasn't saying anything about Strome or Marner's defensive games. I just think knowing they have someone like Crouse to count on doing the heavy lifting defensively they can feel more free to play their game which only means good thing for Canada. Good call on "hard to play against" part. Crouse definitely adds a dimension to that line. Having a wrecking ball as a puck retriever is always nice to have
O yeah I definitely agree. I can see that line coming up big against the tougher match ups, so hopefully they try it out before experimenting them with MDC
In regards to Walman, I can see where some are coming from in terms of leaving him off the team, but they should field the best possible team to capture Gold. If Walman gives them the edge, then so be it
with regard to Wallman - it's not all black or white. You don't know what is behind all of that. Nothing wrong with giving him a chance. It's easy to judge according to what you see, or when it seems like it's all crystal clear. I say give him a chance.
It'd first be USA Hockey, not U.S. Olympic Government, second the paperwork you speak of is clearance by the IIHF, which is pretty important to USA Hockey if they don't want to forfeit every game he plays in.
Canada is definitely going for elite speed and skill throughout the lineup which is what they should be doing. All the defence as well are very good skaters. Also nobody has been talking about goalies too much going into this tournament. Blackwood has been lights out for Barrie and goes into this tournament as one of the top goalies, if not the best in my opinion. Goaltending for the US, Finns and Swedes is all a little bit suspect this year. The Russians will likely have Samsonov who is very good as well but their skaters look a bit weaker then previous years.
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