2015 Draft thread. McEichel part 5

[RoofIt5hole]

not at all. Totally different players. Greenway is big, strong and physical but has very little skill. Armia is quite literally the opposite.

Very little skill???!!!

I'll agree to disagree.
The main reason Greenway dropped was because of injuries. I

 

[Heraldic]

Who are these top forwards that we have in our system? I don't see one that is projected as a first line winger. Don't get me wrong, I want more D too. Just think the idea that we are set at forward is wrong. We have quantity but not quality there. We don't have as many D but the few we have are better prospects.

I really haven't understood this obsession to "first-line wingers". And we already acquired E.Kane, who is supposed to be that.

I rather build a team with rock solid center and top-4 defense. Boston and Kings have been successful without "first-line-scoring wingers" (sure, you can argue Gaborik being one).

I would be more than extremely happy with this kind of line-up:

O'Reilly - Eichel - Girgensons
Kane - Reinhart - Bailey
Grigorenko/Larsson

Zadorov - Ristolainen
Kylington - Bogosian

That would assume that Bailey (who I think has the highest ceiling of the guys mentioned) becomes a top-6-forward, not a stretch at all.

If we draft McEichel, he doesn't need puck dominant wingers, because he holds the puck all the time. He needs rather players that can provide skating, defensive game, grit and enough puck-skills. O'Reilly or Girgensons neither are your "top-line wingers", if they play winger, but they would be a perfect match with a guy like Eichel. Both have the potential to score about 30 goals and pass the puck.

I also think that in a cap-era, you will always be "weak" from some position, and I rather choose that position to be wing than center or defense.

 

[ZeroPT*]

Very little skill???!!!

I'll agree to disagree.
The main reason Greenway dropped was because of injuries. I

I don't see it. From limited viewings and reading he lacks in skill. If he were as skilled as you say he'd produce more. Skill is an issue with him. He is nothing like Armia and has nowhere near as much skill.

 

[Samsonite23]

They may end up being that guy, but using them as why we should draft defense over a forward in round 1 is a stretch.

Not when we already have McEichel, Ennis, Moulson, Kane, Reinhart, Larsson. Even if only 1 of them is a top 6 player (which will happen), we're in a good position.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

I really haven't understood this obsession to "first-line wingers". And we already acquired E.Kane, who is supposed to be that.

I rather build a team with rock solid center and top-4 defense. Boston and Kings have been successful without "first-line-scoring wingers" (sure, you can argue Gaborik being one).

I would be more than extremely happy with this kind of line-up:

O'Reilly - Eichel - Girgensons
Kane - Reinhart - Bailey
Grigorenko/Larsson

Zadorov - Ristolainen
Kylington - Bogosian

That would assume that Bailey (who I think has the highest ceiling of the guys mentioned) becomes a top-6-forward, not a stretch at all.

If we draft McEichel, he doesn't need puck dominant wingers, because he holds the puck all the time. He needs rather players that can provide skating, defensive game, grit and enough puck-skills. O'Reilly or Girgensons neither are your "top-line wingers", if they play winger, but they would be a perfect match with a guy like Eichel. Both have the potential to score about 30 goals and pass the puck.

I also think that in a cap-era, you will always be "weak" from some position, and I rather choose that position to be wing than center or defense.

Because you want a good winger = obsession

Bailey will be lucky to make top 6

 

[Rhett4]

GMTM in Erie again tonight. McDavid obsession gone too far, or giving a keen look to his options for the contingency plan at 3?

 

[ZeroPT*]

GMTM in Erie again tonight. McDavid obsession gone too far, or giving a keen look to his options for the contingency plan at 3?

or viewing a prospect in the organization. Or viewing other guys like Debrincat and Dermott who could be picked later in the draft or next year. Or Marner. Or Strome.

There are what, 5 draft eligible guys? And a prospect from his own club? How is that "McDavid obsessed"?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

GMTM in Erie again tonight. McDavid obsession gone too far, or giving a keen look to his options for the contingency plan at 3?

Might as well get a look at Strome and Marner. He can check up on the progress of Baptiste too.

 

[Rhett4]

or viewing a prospect in the organization. Or viewing other guys like Debrincat and Dermott who could be picked later in the draft or next year. Or Marner. Or Strome.

There are what, 5 draft eligible guys? And a prospect from his own club? How is that "McDavid obsessed"?

It was mostly a joke based on his "dream" quote from a few weeks ago.

 

[ZeroPT*]

It was mostly a joke based on his "dream" quote from a few weeks ago.

sorry. Tough to tell over the internet.

 

[Rhett4]

sorry. Tough to tell over the internet.

I'll need to read it in my over-the-top newscaster voice. "GMTM. McDavid obsession gone too far? Find out more at 11!"

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[RoofIt5hole]

I don't see it. From limited viewings and reading he lacks in skill. If he were as skilled as you say he'd produce more. Skill is an issue with him. He is nothing like Armia and has nowhere near as much skill.

I've seen several usntdp games. He's been injured a lot with little issues but when he has played he's really jumped out. I think he could develop into a legit power forward. Good skating, nice hands, quick release.

 

[sabrebuild]

Draft Dermott in the second. That would be delightful.

 

[Ralonzo]

AJ Greer would be a helluva project to snag with a 4th rounder.

 

[Jim Bob]

aj greer would be a helluva project to snag with a 4th rounder.

 

[TehDoak]

GMTM in Erie again tonight. McDavid obsession gone too far, or giving a keen look to his options for the contingency plan at 3?

He can view 3 of the top 5 picks in a must win playoff scenario thats less than 2 hours drive away.

He's doing due diligence as a GM

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

http://media.wgr550.com/a/104067004/410-dan-marr-of-central-scouting-talks-mcdavid-and-eichel.htm

Dan Marr of NHL Central Scouting on with the WGR Morning Show

 

[Butt Ox]

Any love for Sprong with (Buf) our 2nd should he fall to the second round?

 

[old kummelweck]

http://media.wgr550.com/a/104067004/410-dan-marr-of-central-scouting-talks-mcdavid-and-eichel.htm

Dan Marr of NHL Central Scouting on with the WGR Morning Show

Very interesting. Basically they need to go to things like 'hockey iq' and birth year to support McD being higher ranked than Eichel. Intangibles.

A few weeks ago, I was listening to Andy Brickley on NESN, and he touched on Canadian kid v. America kid playing into the rankings, something I wondered about.

 

[Rhett4]

Any love for Sprong with (Buf) our 2nd should he fall to the second round?

Sign me up. Good skater with a nose for scoring goals.

 

[BloFan4Life]

Eichel wins hobey baker. 1st freshman since kariya

 

[haseoke39]

Any love for Sprong with (Buf) our 2nd should he fall to the second round?

Heck yeah. If sprong is there at 31, you run up to the podium. I wouldn't be disappointed if he's the isles pick either, depending on who else is on the board.

 

[Karate Johnson*]

Eichel wins hobey baker. 1st freshman since kariya

25 years after we drafted Brian Holzinger we can draft his heir apparent to lead us into the next era.