2015 Draft thread. McEichel part 5

[Sabre the Win]

I hope we get McDavid over Eichel just so there is no doubt.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I hope we get McDavid over Eichel just so there is no doubt.

There is a doubt with Eichel? He is a #1 center. No doubt at all. Only question is will he be great. My guess he is closer to Eric Staal then Crosby production wise.

 

[jamers]

Wow, enjoy this guys. We finally get a game-changer and now we need to give this guy warts that aren't there? NHL scouts have raved about Eichel's vision and ability to create for his teammates.

This is Buffalo sports... we're not comfortable with the possibility of having a nice, shiny toy.

 

[TalkingProuder]

This is Buffalo sports... we're not comfortable with the possibility of having a nice, shiny toy.

Yeah, apparently he is no Luke Adam.

 

[jamers]

Eichel is a freaking amazing prospect. If you want assists, here you go:

Yeah, apparently he is no Luke Adam.

Eichel can only hope to be as good as Adam centering Vanek and Pominville.

 

[Zip15]

How long until Tim breaks down and suggests that he and Connor get an apartment together?

 

[Karate Johnson*]

Eichel is awesome.

Plus he's 6'2" 200lbs already. That's the difference between him and Reinhart. Eichel is already a man.

 

[joshjull]

I fully expect Murray to make a full court press to get McDavid if we don't win the lottery. Whether he can pull it off is another matter

 

[jc17]

I fully expect Murray to make a full court press to get McDavid if we don't win the lottery. Whether he can pull it off is another matter

I'd be fine "settling" with Eichel. I see no need to give up very much for the swap.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

I fully expect Murray to make a full court press to get McDavid if we don't win the lottery. Whether he can pull it off is another matter

If he can do it without moving Reinhart, Risto, Girgs or 2016 1st I'm all for it.

A combo of #2, Isles 1st, #31, Zadorov, Grigs and another solid piece should do it, no?

 

[Selanne00008]

If he can do it without moving Reinhart, Risto, Girgs or 2016 1st I'm all for it.

A combo of #2, Isles 1st, #31, Zadorov, Grigs and another solid piece should do it, no?

I'd rather stick with eichel. Even without adding to what you listed.

 

[BakedBuffalo]

As much as I love McDavid, I wouldn't try to move up and get him if we're at #2. He's a better prospect than Eichel, sure, but the difference isn't worth how much we'd likely have to give up to get him. If we are picking #2, I'm perfectly happy staying there and taking Eichel.

 

[Montag DP]

Eichel is a brilliant passer. I'm not sure where this sentiment is coming from that he's not. Maybe putting too much stock into the last two games?

 

[Takeo]

Eichel is not in the same stratosphere with McDavid as a prospect. There is no comparison. The way their names are used interchangeably around here is a joke. To pick #2 this spring will be an incredible disappointment.

 

[1972]

Eichel is not in the same stratosphere with McDavid as a prospect. There is no comparison. The way their names are used interchangeably around here is a joke. To pick #2 this spring will be an incredible disappointment.

well damn, now I am upset.

 

[TehDoak]

It depends on the price to move from 2 to 1.

Would I give up our other 1st and a good prospect? Sure.

Would I give up Reinhart, Risto or Girgensons to move up 1 spot?

Probably not.

McDavid > Eichel, there isn't much argument from me.

I'd give up alot to move up, but I wouldn't gut our rebuild to do it.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Some of the gripes in this thread are just silly. If McDavid is Crosby level, Eichel is Malkin level. And people here would find adding a guy of that calibur a bad thing?

 

[BloFan4Life]

Eichel is not in the same stratosphere with McDavid as a prospect. There is no comparison. The way their names are used interchangeably around here is a joke. To pick #2 this spring will be an incredible disappointment.

Bwahahahaha. Is this a joke?

 

[Paxon]

Eichel is not in the same stratosphere with McDavid as a prospect. There is no comparison. The way their names are used interchangeably around here is a joke. To pick #2 this spring will be an incredible disappointment.

You're, almost certainly intentionally, overlooking why the names are used interchangeably. It is not because they are equals, it is because we want to finish last to guarantee at least one of them. "McEichel" is shorthand for "player we will draft if we finish last". It's quite simple. Secondly, I get the impression that you don't even really watch hockey anymore so I am curious what you're basing the comparison on. Drafting a franchise center is not going to be an incredible disappointment, just a mild one. One everyone has already prepared themselves for because there's nothing that can be done about it. Of course you'll spin it like it's some sort of monumental failure when a completely randomized event weighted slightly in our favor goes against us, as is four times more likely than not.

Eichel is considered by many to be the second or third-best prospect since Crosby. The top three are generally considered to be McDavid, Tavares, and Eichel with the order different on the last two depending on who you ask. I put Tavares ahead but Eichel is a better prospect than guys like Stamkos and MacKinnon. Even if he winds up to not be better than those guys and is, say, Stamkos 2.0... that's the best forward we've had in eons, a franchise player without question.

 

[1972]

Some of the gripes in this thread are just silly. If McDavid is Crosby level, Eichel is Malkin level. And people here would find adding a guy of that calibur a bad thing?

That's why I get such a kick out of the whole thing, the difference between a generational player (Crosby) and an elite one (Malkin, Tavares) is such a narrow gap compared to what it was 20 years ago. Crosby has a career ppg average of 1.37 and is considered generational, Stamkos has a 1.09 since his rookie year and is not considered generational, that gap is substantially smaller then it was in the Crosby era. And Jack Eichel is universally considered a better prospect then Stamkos was.

We may be looking at a situation where Eichel is a 1.20 PPG player and McDavid is a 1.40PPG player. Difference of about 10-15 points a year.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Eichel is not in the same stratosphere with McDavid as a prospect. There is no comparison. The way their names are used interchangeably around here is a joke. To pick #2 this spring will be an incredible disappointment.

It is not that people are using them interchangeably. It is people are desperate not to finish third that they tell themselves and everyone else that finished 2nd in the lottery is acceptable since Eichel is also one of the best prospects in the last 10 years and is better then getting their hopes up and then getting Hanifin in the end.

 

[sjci]

It depends on the price to move from 2 to 1.

Would I give up our other 1st and a good prospect? Sure.

Would I give up Reinhart, Risto or Girgensons to move up 1 spot?

Probably not.

McDavid > Eichel, there isn't much argument from me.

I'd give up alot to move up, but I wouldn't gut our rebuild to do it.

Feel the same the way.

Compher
Bailey
Baptiste
Grigorenko
Hurley
McCabe
Pysyk
Zadorov
etc

If the team at 1 would go for Eichel + 1 or 2 of those guys, I'd do it. I love a lot of our prospects, but McDavid eclipses all of them. And this isn't a slight on Eichel either, I'd be happy with him. But I'd be thrilled with McDavid

 

[stokes84]

It depends on the price to move from 2 to 1.

Would I give up our other 1st and a good prospect? Sure.

Would I give up Reinhart, Risto or Girgensons to move up 1 spot?

Probably not.

McDavid > Eichel, there isn't much argument from me.

I'd give up alot to move up, but I wouldn't gut our rebuild to do it.

I would give up Girgensons to move from 2 to 1, but not Risto or Reinhart.

 

[TalkingProuder]

Feel the same the way.

Compher
Bailey
Baptiste
Grigorenko
Hurley
McCabe
Pysyk
Zadorov
etc

If the team at 1 would go for Eichel + 1 or 2 of those guys, I'd do it. I love a lot of our prospects, but McDavid eclipses all of them. And this isn't a slight on Eichel either, I'd be happy with him. But I'd be thrilled with McDavid

This is making me nervous. Tim Murray is very aggressive and I fear that this list is not who he would have on the table. It would have to include one of these:

Ristolainen
Girgensons
Zadorov

plus the extra 1st.

 

[1972]

Marner producing like this in the middle may help leap him leap frog Strome and Hanifin.

My god those three players are messing with me, they are all awesome but bring different things to the table. Even if we don't pick in that group that's easily going to be the most interesting thing for me on draft day.