2015 Draft thread. McEichel part 5

[Takeo]

If McDavid had never existed and the Sabres won the Eichel lottery, how happy would you be Takeo

Put it this way, I would be happier than last draft.

Yes, most of the inevitable disappointment with Eichel is relative to McDavid. I'm not saying that Eichel isn't a very good prospect and I'm not saying there isn't a sizable drop-off after Eichel. I'm saying that the gap between McDavid and Eichel is wide and getting Eichel isn't worth the current state of the organization. That being said, fans can rationalize the #2 pick and Eichel all they want if that makes them feel better. It's certainly understandable.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Idk I hate the Leafs more than any team in the NHL.

I hate the Dolphins, beating Shula and Marino felt much better than beating Wannstedt and Ray Lucas.

 

[EichHart]

I hate the Dolphins, beating Shula and Marino felt much better than beating Wannstedt and Ray Lucas.

I hate the Dolphins too but hate the Patriots more now. Just have sat next to many annoying Leafs fans at games at the arena.

 

[Jame]

I've seen Eichel play probably about 15 -20 between last year's WJC and this weekend. The (minor) concerns I have about his game have repeated themselves enough that I now consider them real concerns. He can be a frustrating player at times if you aren't just gawking at his athleticism.

Look, if we end up with Eichel, I'll still be thrilled. But I wouldn't let a player of Girgensons quality come between me and the best prospect I've ever seen, if that's what it took.

Welcome

 

[Sabre Dance]

Put it this way, I would be happier than last draft.

Yes, most of the inevitable disappointment with Eichel is relative to McDavid. I'm not saying that Eichel isn't a very good prospect and I'm not saying there isn't a sizable drop-off after Eichel. I'm saying that the gap between McDavid and Eichel is wide and getting Eichel isn't worth the current state of the organization. That being said, fans can rationalize the #2 pick and Eichel all they want if that makes them feel better. It's certainly understandable.

That makes no sense to me. We want a franchise player right? That's the whole point of this. Eichel is a franchise player. This is the type of player you hope for in bad years.

Reinhart on the other hand is a good prospect but not a franchise player IMO. It would be disappointing to only get Reinhart and Marner/Strome.

 

[TalkingProuder]

What if I told you if Marner was Stromes size he would be challenging Eichel for the #2 pick. He has it all minus size. It really sucks the Leafs are going to get a franchise center in this draft. They will most likely have the choice of Marner/Strome if they don't get McDavid via the lottery. They haven't gone full tank like we have but they have Bernier, Reilly, Nylander, and Marner/Strome/McDavid in this years draft.

The problem with Marner is not just his size but his projection. I like that he's 5'11'' but what if he never fills out? Marner playing at 170 in the NHL is still very slight.

I would prefer Leafs take Marner as they already have Nylander, Rielly, Kadri. Their best young players would all be small and light and easier to play against.

 

[EichHart]

The problem with Marner is not just his size but his projection. I like that he's 5'11'' but what if he never fills out? Marner playing at 170 in the NHL is still very slight.

I would prefer Leafs take Marner as they already have Nylander, Rielly, Kadri. Their best young players would all be small and light and easier to play against.

I feel the same way. A 1-2 of Nylander/Strome is pretty good. Nylander was the #1 rated prospect before he fell last year. He is doing really well in the AHL this year.

 

[ZeroPT*]

I feel the same way. A 1-2 of Nylander/Strome is pretty good. Nylander was the #1 rated prospect before he fell last year. He is doing really well in the AHL this year.

yes and Blake Clarke was in the top 5.

I love Nylander but I think he ends up being a better Ennis. Small offensive players are really overrated unless they produce at elite clips. He's in a tier below Drouin/Marner. He's a slightly better Domi.

 

[Takeo]

That makes no sense to me. We want a franchise player right? That's the whole point of this. Eichel is a franchise player. This is the type of player you hope for in bad years.

Reinhart on the other hand is a good prospect but not a franchise player IMO. It would be disappointing to only get Reinhart and Marner/Strome.

McDavid is a generational talent.

Eichel is not a generational talent. Eichel may or may not be a franchise player. Yes, Eichel is superior to Reinhart (which doesn't mean much).

To sacrifice so much and be so close to McDavid and not get him would be an incredible disappointment. They wouldn't "tank" for Eichel.

I'm basically repeating myself now so I will stop.

 

[EichHart]

yes and Blake Clarke was in the top 5.

I love Nylander but I think he ends up being a better Ennis. Small offensive players are really overrated unless they produce at elite clips. He's in a tier below Drouin/Marner. He's a slightly better Domi.

I think his upside potential is huge on the offensive end. His potential is 80 pt #1 Center. He isn't the safe pick like Reinhart, but I can see Nylander putting up more pts than Reinhart.

 

[ZeroPT*]

I think his upside potential is huge on the offensive end. His potential is 80 pt #1 Center. He isn't the safe pick like Reinhart, but I can see Nylander putting up more pts than Reinhart.

80 pts is crosby territory. So no. He's not that good.

 

[Jame]

They wouldn't "tank" for Eichel.

Sure they would. They already ranked for reinhart.

The tank has always been about getting to the top of the draft where the top talent is... Mcdavid is the ultimate reward, but not the whole mission.

And yes, mcdavid has always been on another planet compared to everyone else.

 

[Sabre Dance]

McDavid is a generational talent.

Eichel is not a generational talent. Eichel may or may not be a franchise player. Yes, Eichel is superior to Reinhart (which doesn't mean much).

To sacrifice so much and be so close to McDavid and not get him would be an incredible disappointment. They wouldn't "tank" for Eichel.

I'm basically repeating myself now so I will stop.

What was sacrificed?

Getting McDavid wasn't the plan. Getting a franchise center was.

 

[Paxon]

McDavid is a generational talent.

Eichel is not a generational talent. Eichel may or may not be a franchise player. Yes, Eichel is superior to Reinhart (which doesn't mean much).

To sacrifice so much and be so close to McDavid and not get him would be an incredible disappointment. They wouldn't "tank" for Eichel.

I'm basically repeating myself now so I will stop.

It's asinine to suggest they wouldn't "tank" for Eichel considering that's what they're doing right now. They'd have tanked for whoever because they weren't in a position to be a good team this year, therefore they did not go for any quick fixes, leaving themselves in a position to get a top pick. You know, like they did last season. They didn't sacrifice anything for McDavid. What was sacrificed? They traded pending UFA's because that's what rebuilding teams do. There was no sacrifice. They were compensated for those players with futures just as they were compensated for their record with a top pick last season and again will be this season.

And of course you say something like "which doesn't mean much" to take a shot at Reinhart. How many times have you seen Reinhart play again? Eichel? McDavid?

 

[Rhett4]

I've always had my eye on Eichel, mostly because I've been convinced since the beginning that we will never the lottery. Simply put, I'm perfectly happy (actually, more like ecstatic) with Eichel. Will Eichel be one of the best players of the 10 years like McDavid is touted to be? Maybe, maybe not. But even if he's a top-3 (or even 5) center in the league ala Stamkos or Malkin, it's all worth it. An All-Star, No. 1 center does wonders for this team. Maybe that's not considered "generational," but it's definitely "franchise." With our depth on D and Reinhart in the pipeline, you can build around Eichel. If McDavid scores 10 more points a year for the next two decades, so be it. I'm only losing sleep if we draft Hanifin and our top-six has a permanent hole.

 

[1972]

80 pts is crosby territory. So no. He's not that good.

Crosby has a career 1.37PPG average (110 pts in 82 gp) but he is an 80 point player because of this year? (92 point pace still)

He definitely has the potential to be a guy who sprinkles in an 80 point season once in awhile. The NHLs leading scorers are not going to be at 80 points for the next 15 years.

 

[Paxon]

Crosby has a career 1.37PPG average (110 pts in 82 gp) but he is an 80 point player because of this year?

He definitely has the potential to be a guy who sprinkles in an 80 point season once in awhile. The NHLs leading scorers are not going to be at 80 points for the next 15 years.

Yeah. PPG is a legit accomplishment in this era but it is by no means Crosby-esque. Crosby has 78 points in 70 games and it's been a nightmare season for him. Before his derailment Crosby was matching or bettering the scoring pace he put up back when league scoring was ridiculous. That said I'd look at Reinhart more as a guy you can hope becomes a consistent 70 point player. That type of guy is always capable of having PPG seasons under the right circumstances. It's hard to project anyone as a consistent PPG guy outside of guys like, say, Tavares.

 

[1972]

Yeah. PPG is a legit accomplishment in this era but it is by no means Crosby-esque. Crosby has 78 points in 70 games and it's been a nightmare season for him. Before his derailment Crosby was matching or bettering the scoring pace he put up back when league scoring was ridiculous. That said I'd look at Reinhart more as a guy you can hope becomes a consistent 70 point player. That type of guy is always capable of having PPG seasons under the right circumstances. It's hard to project anyone as a consistent PPG guy outside of guys like, say, Tavares.

Exactly, only the elite players can become consistent 70-80 point players. If you look at Stamkos or Tavares career PPG they are probably 80 point players, but I think someone like Nylander has the potential to have some highly productive offensive seasons, I could see him having similar production to say Jordan Eberle.

 

[Havok89]

McDavid is a generational talent.

Eichel is not a generational talent. Eichel may or may not be a franchise player. Yes, Eichel is superior to Reinhart (which doesn't mean much).

To sacrifice so much and be so close to McDavid and not get him would be an incredible disappointment. They wouldn't "tank" for Eichel.

I'm basically repeating myself now so I will stop.

It's probably best you just stop repeating it. All wrong.

 

[ZeroPT*]

not keen on arguing the scoring/DPE 2.0 crap. But if scoring goes back to "normal" I still see virtually no way that Nylander is PPG, and I had him at 5 in his draft so I'm no hater. I think he ends up a better Ennis.

A 65 point scoring winger.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[sjci]

McDavid just scored to give the Otters a 6-5 lead

http://www.ottersapp.com/stream/

 

[Der Jaeger]

McDavid is a generational talent.

Eichel is not a generational talent. Eichel may or may not be a franchise player. Yes, Eichel is superior to Reinhart (which doesn't mean much).

To sacrifice so much and be so close to McDavid and not get him would be an incredible disappointment. They wouldn't "tank" for Eichel.

I'm basically repeating myself now so I will stop.

Sabres gave up Vanek, Pominville, Gaustad, Roy, Miller, Myers, Sekera, Stafford, and Co. The return was Girgensons, Zadorov, Kane, Bogosian, Larsson, and the Isles' first. The drop in talent got them Reinhart and maybe McEichel.

Which is like getting Bergeron and Modano, if they draft Eichel. That's a great return on suffering.

 

[Ralonzo]

You scouting report explains why BU is better with Eichel on the ice. Not just Eichel being good he improved the the play of others around him.

This also explains the same point, succinctly.

 

[haseoke39]

Put it this way, I would be happier than last draft.

Yes, most of the inevitable disappointment with Eichel is relative to McDavid. I'm not saying that Eichel isn't a very good prospect and I'm not saying there isn't a sizable drop-off after Eichel. I'm saying that the gap between McDavid and Eichel is wide and getting Eichel isn't worth the current state of the organization. That being said, fans can rationalize the #2 pick and Eichel all they want if that makes them feel better. It's certainly understandable.

If a prospect like eichel isn't worth it, then I hope you were against the tank from the start. A prospect like eichel is literally the best thing you could've planned for.

Myself, I never went into the tank planning on the next Crosby, because you simply can't do that. It's not an actual strategy given the rules. I went into the tank hoping for a guy with Crosby potential and more likely kopitar projection. Which is what were getting and still something we couldn't have gotten any other way except dumb luck.

It's a complete success given the rules. If you need to get Wayne Gretzky to be happy with the outcome, you never should have been on board with the tank at all.