2015 CBJ Training Camp Thread (9/18-10/3)

[spintheblackcircle]

Puckrakers takes a shot at the roster

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2015/09/the-club-no.-1.html

LOCKS (12): Cameron Atkinson, Rene Bourque, Matt Calvert, Gregory Campbell, David Clarkson, Brandon Dubinsky, Nick Foligno, Scott Hartnell, Boone Jenner, Ryan Johansen, Brandon Saad, Alexander Wennberg.

BUBBLE (3): Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jared Boll, Kerby Rychel.

LOCKS (6): Kevin Connauton, Jack Johnson, Ryan Murray, Dalton Prout, David Savard, Fedor Tyutin.

BUBBLE (4): Andrew Bodnarchuk, Justin Falk, Cody Goloubef, Michael Paliotta.

 

[Nanabijou]

Puckrakers takes a shot at the roster

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2015/09/the-club-no.-1.html

LOCKS (12): Cameron Atkinson, Rene Bourque, Matt Calvert, Gregory Campbell, David Clarkson, Brandon Dubinsky, Nick Foligno, Scott Hartnell, Boone Jenner, Ryan Johansen, Brandon Saad, Alexander Wennberg.

BUBBLE (3): Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jared Boll, Kerby Rychel.

LOCKS (6): Kevin Connauton, Jack Johnson, Ryan Murray, Dalton Prout, David Savard, Fedor Tyutin.

BUBBLE (4): Andrew Bodnarchuk, Justin Falk, Cody Goloubef, Michael Paliotta.

This has been mentioned before, but I'm again struck by what the competition is going to be for a regular spot on the Monsters, let alone the Jackets.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Puckrakers takes a shot at the roster

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2015/09/the-club-no.-1.html

LOCKS (12): Cameron Atkinson, Rene Bourque, Matt Calvert, Gregory Campbell, David Clarkson, Brandon Dubinsky, Nick Foligno, Scott Hartnell, Boone Jenner, Ryan Johansen, Brandon Saad, Alexander Wennberg.

BUBBLE (3): Oliver Bjorkstrand, Jared Boll, Kerby Rychel.

LOCKS (6): Kevin Connauton, Jack Johnson, Ryan Murray, Dalton Prout, David Savard, Fedor Tyutin.

BUBBLE (4): Andrew Bodnarchuk, Justin Falk, Cody Goloubef, Michael Paliotta.

I'd say this is pretty accurate (at least for the forwards). I really don't think Milano is ready, and Bjork and Rychel will most definitely push for a spot...but I'll give the edge to Rychel in this case for making the opening night roster. As for the defense, kind of surprised Golo is a bubble player at this point considering the front office gave him a two year contract, I would like to see him in over Prout.

Here is my opening night prediction (barring any injuries)

Saad-Johansen-Foligno
Jenner-Dubinsky-Rychel
Hartnell-Wennberg-Atkinson
Calvert-Campbell-Clarkson

Murray-Savard
Johnson-Tyutin
Goloubef-Connauton

Bob
Mc

 

[stevo61]

Milano's BMI is elite...

I dont know if this is a sarcastic post or not but ill assume it is so this is just a general statement. I know Milano has added size but that doesnt mean he knows what to do with it yet. Hes a finesse player whos used to doing what he wants on the ice and not really being man handled by bigger guys. I think there will be an adjustment as he learns to add to his game.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Milano's BMI is elite...

 

[DarkandStormy]

This has been mentioned before, but I'm again struck by what the competition is going to be for a regular spot on the Monsters, let alone the Jackets.

Milano - Karlsson - Bjorkstrand
Rychel - Tynan - Anderson
Craig - Chaput - Zaar
Gallant/Sedlak - Broadhurst - Moutrey

(I don't know, what do you with a guy like Hannikainen? There's still Abroz and Vogelhuber plus a couple more I'm probably forgetting.)

Have been paying less attention to the D pairs, so someone else can try their hand at that and correct my guess above

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

? Sonny Milano is one of the highest prospects in our talent pool - and many would see a player of this calibre as getting a shot in the NHL with the drafting club - What is the difference between a guy like Milano and the prospect Patrick Kane? Is it timing and the depth of the big club - or did Chicago just know that Patrick Kane slots into the NHL & given the chance will blow up?

Both guys are smaller.. both have incredible skill - as a life long Hawk fan I still worry about Kanes slight stature, but to deny that Prospect Patrick Kane was game changing is not to see your own nose.

Please ignore his current legal status - I am merely bringing him up to discuss his talent pre-NHL

 

[EspenK]

? Sonny Milano is one of the highest prospects in our talent pool - and many would see a player of this calibre as getting a shot in the NHL with the drafting club - What is the difference between a guy like Milano and the prospect Patrick Kane? Is it timing and the depth of the big club - or did Chicago just know that Patrick Kane slots into the NHL & given the chance will blow up?

Both guys are smaller.. both have incredible skill - as a life long Hawk fan I still worry about Kanes slight stature, but to deny that Prospect Patrick Kane was game changing is not to see your own nose.



Please ignore his current legal status - I am merely bringing him up to discuss his talent pre-NHL

Kane was 1st overall; Milano 16th. therein lies a big part of the difference.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Kane was 1st overall; Milano 16th. therein lies a big part of the difference.

So your saying in every draft there is the can't miss element to 2-3 players, and then the more questionable players that still need development?

That makes sense

 

[EspenK]

So your saying in every draft there is the can't miss element to 2-3 players, and then the more questionable players that still need development?

That makes sense

I believe that's a big part of it.

 

[CBJx614]

I think they play a similar style but Milano no longer projects to be a Kane type player. I mean come on he's 6' 205, he's a big boy now and once he learns to use his body he's gonna be a more skilled, offensive version of Johansen. He won't have the overall game, or pure physical dominance, but I think he's gonna be one of those players who dominate puck control. Especially if he's on Johansen or Dubinskys line. I don't think Milano will be as shifty or a dominant goal scorer like Kane, but he could be elite. I think he just needs more time to develop. Whereas I could see Bjorkstrand hitting the nhl in a limited, protected offensive role and slowly giving him more responsibility as he proves he can handle it.

 

[Jackets16]

I think they play a similar style but Milano no longer projects to be a Kane type player. I mean come on he's 6' 205, he's a big boy now and once he learns to use his body he's gonna be a more skilled, offensive version of Johansen. He won't have the overall game, or pure physical dominance, but I think he's gonna be one of those players who dominate puck control. Especially if he's on Johansen or Dubinskys line. I don't think Milano will be as shifty or a dominant goal scorer like Kane, but he could be elite. I think he just needs more time to develop. Whereas I could see Bjorkstrand hitting the nhl in a limited, protected offensive role and slowly giving him more responsibility as he proves he can handle it.

Yeah. Certain players need more time than others based on their size and playing style. Some styles just take longer for the players to develop and be ready for the NHL.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I think they play a similar style but Milano no longer projects to be a Kane type player. I mean come on he's 6' 205, he's a big boy now and once he learns to use his body he's gonna be a more skilled, offensive version of Johansen. He won't have the overall game, or pure physical dominance, but I think he's gonna be one of those players who dominate puck control. Especially if he's on Johansen or Dubinskys line. I don't think Milano will be as shifty or a dominant goal scorer like Kane, but he could be elite. I think he just needs more time to develop. Whereas I could see Bjorkstrand hitting the nhl in a limited, protected offensive role and slowly giving him more responsibility as he proves he can handle it.

How does a prospect Milano line up against the pre-NHL Corey Perry? Could we have a natural scorer in our midst?

 

[CBJx614]

How does a prospect Milano line up against the pre-NHL Corey Perry? Could we have a natural scorer in our midst?

What's scary to think about is he's not even done growing. He could still possibly grow another inch or two and gain another 10-15 over the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[DarkandStormy]

? Sonny Milano is one of the highest prospects in our talent pool - and many would see a player of this calibre as getting a shot in the NHL with the drafting club - What is the difference between a guy like Milano and the prospect Patrick Kane? Is it timing and the depth of the big club - or did Chicago just know that Patrick Kane slots into the NHL & given the chance will blow up?

Both guys are smaller.. both have incredible skill - as a life long Hawk fan I still worry about Kanes slight stature, but to deny that Prospect Patrick Kane was game changing is not to see your own nose.

Kane is almost 27 and a proven NHLer...wtf are you worried about?

Just because a guy is left-handed, has a slight stature, and can stick handle doesn't mean he's automatically the equivalent of Patrick Kane. Sure, Milano has potential and offensive upside, but he hasn't produced in Juniors or with the USND at the level Kane did. Plenty of guys might get compared to Kane and his style of play, but pretty much no one is going to follow his exact career path.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Kane is almost 27 and a proven NHLer...wtf are you worried about?

Just because a guy is left-handed, has a slight stature, and can stick handle doesn't mean he's automatically the equivalent of Patrick Kane. Sure, Milano has potential and offensive upside, but he hasn't produced in Juniors or with the USND at the level Kane did. Plenty of guys might get compared to Kane and his style of play, but pretty much no one is going to follow his exact career path.

Milano actually is not quite as slight as most people think. As many people here have mentioned, he's over 6 foot and 200 right now. But I think everyone is forgetting his monkey arms.

http://www.topendsports.com/sport/icehockey/nhl-combine-results-2014.htm

Same wingspan as Ekblad, Draisaitl, and our own 6'7 Ryan Collins. A 6'7 Wingspan.

Any lack of size on his frame has to deal with him being a few months from his 19th birthday.

Anyway, that doesnt change my opinion that he is not NHL ready as of right now - I just wouldn't count him out strictly for size reasons

 

[CBJx614]

Milano actually is not quite as slight as most people think. As many people here have mentioned, he's over 6 foot and 200 right now. But I think everyone is forgetting his monkey arms.

http://www.topendsports.com/sport/icehockey/nhl-combine-results-2014.htm

Same wingspan as Ekblad, Draisaitl, and our own 6'7 Ryan Collins. A 6'7 Wingspan.

Any lack of size on his frame has to deal with him being a few months from his 19th birthday.

Anyway, that doesnt change my opinion that he is not NHL ready as of right now - I just wouldn't count him out strictly for size reasons

Holy ****. If he can really gain some upper body he really could be dominant. Having a long reach like that gives you such a advantage,


Man I remember a few years ago when I posted about the possibility of a Calvert-Johansen-Atkinson line being our first ever fully drafted line in the nhl. And now it seems like most of our team will be from the pipeline if everyone develops right.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Milano actually is not quite as slight as most people think. As many people here have mentioned, he's over 6 foot and 200 right now. But I think everyone is forgetting his monkey arms.

Sorry, I should have said "perceived" slight stature.

 

[OldGoaltender]

I think they play a similar style but Milano no longer projects to be a Kane type player. I mean come on he's 6' 205, he's a big boy now and once he learns to use his body he's gonna be a more skilled, offensive version of Johansen. He won't have the overall game, or pure physical dominance, but I think he's gonna be one of those players who dominate puck control. Especially if he's on Johansen or Dubinskys line. I don't think Milano will be as shifty or a dominant goal scorer like Kane, but he could be elite. I think he just needs more time to develop. Whereas I could see Bjorkstrand hitting the nhl in a limited, protected offensive role and slowly giving him more responsibility as he proves he can handle it.

That is a really excellent post. I wish I could add more but I can't.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Sorry, I should have said "perceived" slight stature.

Oh yeah, I didnt need to specifically quote you, but it was the easiest post to quote. There is definitely a perception around here that Milano is 5'10, 180 and will always be small - when reality he is just skinny but has a pretty good frame.

 

[CBJx614]

I saw somewhere that Wennberg put on another 5-10 lbs of muscle this offseason and that Hartnell stopped focusing so much on brute strength this offseason and really focused on his footwork and speed, knowing he was gonna have to keep up with the youngsters

 

[WannabeFinn]

am I the only one that thinks Milano turns into the next Oshie rather than the next P. Kane or whatever?

 

[SavesEmNot]

am I the only one that thinks Milano turns into the next Oshie rather than the next P. Kane or whatever?

No, that's exactly the comparison thehockeywriters.com made.

http://thehockeywriters.com/sonny-milano-prospect-profile/

 

[hardkorejackets]

I don't know where to project Sonny Milano to be honest. I really liked when we drafted him and seen his highlights. Heck, his highlight tape is pretty amazing. But, I think we all thought at the time this was a draft pick that might take a while to make the NHL, but with our farm system, it was worth it. Sure, I'd like for him to score as much as Bjorkstrand with a heavier and better 2 way game RIGHT NOW, but let's have patience. We don't need him to be an NHL player this year. Let him develop. I haven't seen enough of his game to project his player comparable, so I'll pass.

But, let's not put the "Patrick Kane" comparable to him right now. I'd like to see him score on a bit more on his opportunities, but I'm sure he will.

 

[Old Guy]

I don't know where to project Sonny Milano to be honest.

I project him to be in Cleveland for all of this year. Consider (1) he played on a bad Plymouth team last year and got a late start because of his broken jaw; (2) he needs to learn to play without the puck; (3) the Monsters will be guys that he will be playing with for (hopefully) years to come; (4) the CBJ are loaded with talented forwards all with one way contracts, so barring major injuries the need is not there.

I'm not trying to be funny, but projecting where/when he gets to the NHL doesn't matter. This year of development is all that anybody should really care about. The CBJ rushed prospects for 10-12 years (see Brule, Gilbert, et.al.). If there is a mistake to be made here, i, for one, would like to see what happens when they stay in the AHL too long.