Ziggy Stardust
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Can they also send Dustin Brown back to the AHL as well? Consider it a conditioning assignment for him to find his missing hockey skills.
2015-2016 Roster Talk: Kings Have no Elite Players Edition
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mrkolice
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look at this, who's doing the assists & to whom:
tt, dd & ak trio is brutal, top6 is really great, and overall the chemistry it's not an issue. just make that damn looch - kopi - gabby line work.
source: http://hockeyviz.com/img/team/scoringNetworks/1516/scoringNetwork-1516-L.A.png
tt, dd & ak trio is brutal, top6 is really great, and overall the chemistry it's not an issue. just make that damn looch - kopi - gabby line work.
source: http://hockeyviz.com/img/team/scoringNetworks/1516/scoringNetwork-1516-L.A.png
mrkolice
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i've made a small comparision between 3 main cup contenders so far:
- los angeles kings
- chicago blackhawks
- washington capitals
first, here are the charts ( via http://www.sportingcharts.com, nhl shots and goals visualized):
los angeles kings:
chicago blackhawks:
washington capitals:
i invite you to comment, it's not a rorschach test. shots = possession in that area.
what i see:
1. blackhawks & capitals charts are very similar, so there must be a similar logic behind their strategies. even symmetrical deviations are almost the same, also the same wing in front is stronger than the other (maybe intended for right-handed gollies?).
2. lak is controlling the blue line better. that's possession. also that's why la defenders are scoring. it's a different system. chicago is the most opportunistic in this regard.
3. playoff scenario: if lak wins agains the hawks and plays against the caps for the cup, it will be a very similar series from lak's point of view.
ps: important: i didn't watch a lot of hawks & caps this season, here i'm just reading the charts.
- los angeles kings
- chicago blackhawks
- washington capitals
first, here are the charts ( via http://www.sportingcharts.com, nhl shots and goals visualized):
los angeles kings:
chicago blackhawks:
washington capitals:
i invite you to comment, it's not a rorschach test. shots = possession in that area.
what i see:
1. blackhawks & capitals charts are very similar, so there must be a similar logic behind their strategies. even symmetrical deviations are almost the same, also the same wing in front is stronger than the other (maybe intended for right-handed gollies?).
2. lak is controlling the blue line better. that's possession. also that's why la defenders are scoring. it's a different system. chicago is the most opportunistic in this regard.
3. playoff scenario: if lak wins agains the hawks and plays against the caps for the cup, it will be a very similar series from lak's point of view.
ps: important: i didn't watch a lot of hawks & caps this season, here i'm just reading the charts.
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Martyros
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i've made a small comparision between 3 main cup contenders so far:
- los angeles kings
- chicago blackhawks
- washington capitals
first, here are the charts ( via http://www.sportingcharts.com, nhl shots and goals visualized):
los angeles kings:
chicago blackhawks:
washington capitals:
i invite you to comment, it's not a rorschach test. shots = possession in that area.
what i see:
1. blackhawks & capitals charts are very similar, so there must be a similar logic behind their strategies. even symmetrical deviations are almost the same, also the same wing in front is stronger than the other (maybe intended for right-handed gollies?).
2. lak is controlling the blue line better. that's possession. also that's why la defenders are scoring. it's a different system. chicago is the most opportunistic in this regard.
3. playoff scenario: if lak wins agains the hawks and plays against the caps for the cup, it will be a very similar series from lak's point of view.
ps: important: i didn't watch a lot of hawks & caps this season, here i'm just reading the charts.
the capitals high shooting % sticks out to me here
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
They have as much skill on their roster as any team in the league though so it's unsurprising, and their goaltending is incredibly strong too...however, I'd expect them to slow down in the second half. Their possession is unimpressive and being held down by that shooting % and a high save percentage (which is already coming down).
Still the team to beat in the east imo, but that near-140 point pace they were on is gonna drop hard.
I imagine part of why their SP is so high is also because they move the puck so well before the shot gets taken.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Right, which is why I point out they're one of the teams whose 'inflated' shooting percentage is probably accurate rather than an anomaly. One of the greatest goal scorers in NHL history with a host of great playmakers makes me not furrow my brow.
Holtby playing at a .935 all season though was probably not sustainable, and playing 'even' possession all season tells me that they're not going to keep the torrid pace up. That doesn't mean they're not good or not going to finish first in the east or even that they'll struggle in the playoffs, it just means to me that they're not going to be one of the greatest teams ever assembled.
agree...was just adding further support.
With Holtby I don't think .935 is sustainable, however I am guessing if there were the same charts showing shots that the capitals allow it would show they are keeping opponents to the outside. So I think .935 is not sustainable but he will be over .915 the rest of the way.
Kingspiracy
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Tut tut tut, someones asking for a non ufa third line winger on the trade section, not one kings fan suggested brown. You guys are slipping.
isn't 3rd liner kinda generous...
Edit: I'd take King/Lewis over him in a heartbeat.
Little Psycho
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LeBrun saying Buff fan would be a perfect fit with LA. If only cap space was unlimited...
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/1...s-trade-talk-ducks-grinding-canucks-retooling
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/1...s-trade-talk-ducks-grinding-canucks-retooling
deeshamrock
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Money isn't the only issue , it's what the Jets want in return, which probably starts with a 1st round pick, which the Kings don't have. Elliotte Friedman (sportsnet) noted that he feels the Jets might end up signing him, since they are having no luck with Ladd. And their hesitation was giving him the 7M plus and LTC he wanted, they were more inclined for 3 - 5 yrs at no more than 6M, which went nowhere. Maybe he'll compromise and take more money for less term.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, I think he'll get traded and I think the Panthers might be a landing spot, Tallon is a huge fan of Byf's and they have some top prospects and/or young players to offer back.
And he seems to be the size and ilk of a Chara replacement should the Bruins be so inclined.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I feel validated.
Not that it's a surprising idea or anything.
Just means we'd have to up the ante but I doubt we'd win a bidding war. And then doubt we'd re-sign him. I think this deadline will show us how "all in" DL is though. Unpopular opinion--I'd do Kempe and a 2nd without blinking. Save the tears over the cap and future for the offseason.
Though I wonder how DL feels about Chara at this point...
I feel validated.
Not that it's a surprising idea or anything.
Just means we'd have to up the ante but I doubt we'd win a bidding war. And then doubt we'd re-sign him. I think this deadline will show us how "all in" DL is though. Unpopular opinion--I'd do Kempe and a 2nd without blinking. Save the tears over the cap and future for the offseason.
Though I wonder how DL feels about Chara at this point...
you're right I do not like that opinion.
Only way I am ok with moving Kempe is if Brown is with him in the offseason
Little Psycho
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I feel validated.
Not that it's a surprising idea or anything.
Just means we'd have to up the ante but I doubt we'd win a bidding war. And then doubt we'd re-sign him. I think this deadline will show us how "all in" DL is though. Unpopular opinion--I'd do Kempe and a 2nd without blinking. Save the tears over the cap and future for the offseason.
Though I wonder how DL feels about Chara at this point...
Really really do not like the idea of trading Kempe. I don't think I would do it.
Kings man 4 life
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I feel validated.
Not that it's a surprising idea or anything.
Just means we'd have to up the ante but I doubt we'd win a bidding war. And then doubt we'd re-sign him. I think this deadline will show us how "all in" DL is though. Unpopular opinion--I'd do Kempe and a 2nd without blinking. Save the tears over the cap and future for the offseason.
Though I wonder how DL feels about Chara at this point...
Boston won't trade us Chara unless its for a severe over payment as they have our 1st this year. As for Buff for Kempe and a 2nd, I would have to agree that Brown would need to go with him. If I'm going all in I want to be able to at least keep one of Buff or Lucic this off season not lose both. Losing both with nothing in return would close our window after this season IMO.
Kings man 4 life
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oh what could have been with Myers, imagine if he had been on a team that actually brought him up slowly and not how Buffalo stinted his growth.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't 'like' losing Kempe, but what deadline assets do we have beyond him, Zykov, MAYBE Gravel/Forbort, and a 2nd?
Like I said, depends on the degree of 'all in' DL goes for. I think we can be certain of a defensive move of SOME type. I'm sure DL isn't comfortable with Ehrhoff/McBain and Sutter's comments about d-partner chemistry seems to hint at tinkering. I'd also add I'm personally unsure about McNabb with Doughty for a real push but that's maybe less urgent, yet I push for Buff (or a guy like Shattenkirk--I'd feel better giving Kempe for him since he at least has a year) because that solves two problems with one stone--pushes McNabb down the d-chart AND gets the top-4 help.
Like I said, depends on the degree of 'all in' DL goes for. I think we can be certain of a defensive move of SOME type. I'm sure DL isn't comfortable with Ehrhoff/McBain and Sutter's comments about d-partner chemistry seems to hint at tinkering. I'd also add I'm personally unsure about McNabb with Doughty for a real push but that's maybe less urgent, yet I push for Buff (or a guy like Shattenkirk--I'd feel better giving Kempe for him since he at least has a year) because that solves two problems with one stone--pushes McNabb down the d-chart AND gets the top-4 help.
tbcwpg
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From a Winnipeg perspective (I came here after reading the article):
No 1st hurts the package that LA can offer - if they're asking for a 1st this year, you'd have to think that if a team doesn't have a 1st, they'd have to put up a better prospect than a team with a 1st rounder can - Kempe is really the only prospect that fits that description. If not him, it would have to be a couple of "B-level" guys - that might drain the LA system and Lombardi may be reluctant to do that.
As for Myers, he wouldn't cost less because he's under contract long-term. If Buff was not a UFA, his trade value wouldn't really be in the discussion here because he wouldn't be moving. If the Jets trade Myers, and then also lose Buff, the RHD is now a weakness instead of a strength.
No 1st hurts the package that LA can offer - if they're asking for a 1st this year, you'd have to think that if a team doesn't have a 1st, they'd have to put up a better prospect than a team with a 1st rounder can - Kempe is really the only prospect that fits that description. If not him, it would have to be a couple of "B-level" guys - that might drain the LA system and Lombardi may be reluctant to do that.
As for Myers, he wouldn't cost less because he's under contract long-term. If Buff was not a UFA, his trade value wouldn't really be in the discussion here because he wouldn't be moving. If the Jets trade Myers, and then also lose Buff, the RHD is now a weakness instead of a strength.
KingCanadain1976
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As much as i would love buff or yandle for that matter it would come down to cost and i don't think we can afford it. Kempe zykov Mersch and forbort should not be traded for a rental period. We need capable young players going forward on elc contracts Yes we would all love to stack our already among the best even more but i say its not needed at the price of sacrificing a future of our best young players
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