2015-2016 Roster Talk: Kings Have no Elite Players Edition

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I don't know if Kempe will turn out but I like his game and the Kings will need ELCs soon.

Buff would be great but I don't want LA to give the farm for a rental. Sekera didn't even help get LA in the playoffs let alone bring a cup.

Brown+Zykov/Mersch + Forbort/Gravel + 2cd

Can LA offer up better than that?
 
I don't know if Kempe will turn out but I like his game and the Kings will need ELCs soon.

Buff would be great but I don't want LA to give the farm for a rental. Sekera didn't even help get LA in the playoffs let alone bring a cup.

Brown+Zykov/Mersch + Forbort/Gravel + 2cd

Can LA offer up better than that?

Jets can't afford Ladd going forward at 6M range, they won't take Brown at 5.8...
and it seems to be the 1st rounder is key. Other teams can offer that.

DL is out hunting and he'll get a D, I just don't see it being Byf.
 
Kempe isn't going anywhere. I think the Kings are as high on him as they were with Toffoli. And I'd prefer not to give up Zykov only because I think he fits the Kings mentality to an absolute tee.

As much as I would like to get Buff and I think he'd do great here, I just don't see us giving up the assets to another rental that we probably have no hope of resigning.
 
As much as i would love buff or yandle for that matter it would come down to cost and i don't think we can afford it. Kempe zykov Mersch and forbort should not be traded for a rental period. We need capable young players going forward on elc contracts Yes we would all love to stack our already among the best even more but i say its not needed at the price of sacrificing a future of our best young players

But that's the big question--not for you in particular, but it's the rhetorical question everyone needs to answer. I think before 2012, the easy answer was yes--right now, a lot of people are hedging on the future.

I'm not necessarily OKAY with giving up Kempe, but--if you could go all-in for a cup, would you? Does keeping Kempe REALLY help this team win the cup next year as opposed to this year? In the future? Keeping in mind we still likely have a gap on D?

Not necessarily something that needs to be answered but for me, after a lot of thought, I'm okay draining the farm. This is the year. We have a chance to do something special. And I won't begrudge anyone their opinion that thinks otherwise because I don't think there's a right answer--but give me an overwhelming shot at 3 in 5 followed by potentially several years of struggling versus taking our chances with our current D.

To be frank it sounds like a lot of people are sour on this less because of 'the farm' and more because we were burned by Sekera, to which I would point out Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner...
 
Jets can't afford Ladd going forward at 6M range, they won't take Brown at 5.8...
and it seems to be the 1st rounder is key. Other teams can offer that.

DL is out hunting and he'll get a D, I just don't see it being Byf.

agreed, it will be someone more in the Russel price range.
 
But that's the big question--not for you in particular, but it's the rhetorical question everyone needs to answer. I think before 2012, the easy answer was yes--right now, a lot of people are hedging on the future.

I'm not necessarily OKAY with giving up Kempe, but--if you could go all-in for a cup, would you? Does keeping Kempe REALLY help this team win the cup next year as opposed to this year? In the future? Keeping in mind we still likely have a gap on D?

Not necessarily something that needs to be answered but for me, after a lot of thought, I'm okay draining the farm. This is the year. We have a chance to do something special. And I won't begrudge anyone their opinion that thinks otherwise because I don't think there's a right answer--but give me an overwhelming shot at 3 in 5 followed by potentially several years of struggling versus taking our chances with our current D.

To be frank it sounds like a lot of people are sour on this less because of 'the farm' and more because we were burned by Sekera, to which I would point out Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner...

There is also the question of how to rebuild when our window closes, we can hasten the rebuild by selling high on players like Tofolli or Kempe then by selling older playera aquired via trade, DL seems like that kind of GM
 
But that's the big question--not for you in particular, but it's the rhetorical question everyone needs to answer. I think before 2012, the easy answer was yes--right now, a lot of people are hedging on the future.

I'm not necessarily OKAY with giving up Kempe, but--if you could go all-in for a cup, would you? Does keeping Kempe REALLY help this team win the cup next year as opposed to this year? In the future? Keeping in mind we still likely have a gap on D?

Not necessarily something that needs to be answered but for me, after a lot of thought, I'm okay draining the farm. This is the year. We have a chance to do something special. And I won't begrudge anyone their opinion that thinks otherwise because I don't think there's a right answer--but give me an overwhelming shot at 3 in 5 followed by potentially several years of struggling versus taking our chances with our current D.

To be frank it sounds like a lot of people are sour on this less because of 'the farm' and more because we were burned by Sekera, to which I would point out Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner...

My preference would be not to go "all in" but push a good amount of chips into the pot. I am ok with the Sekera trade. He was worth a 1st and a d prospect who we would have likely lost on waivers in a year or two anyway. It's just too bad he got injured. I am just glad that DL made the pick conditional as that allowed us to get lucic.
Getting Lucic, Schenn, and VL are enough of rental deals for me. Obviously would like to upgrade D, but I think enough chips have been pushed in for this year. So would only welcome a deal that is very affordable.
 
But that's the big question--not for you in particular, but it's the rhetorical question everyone needs to answer. I think before 2012, the easy answer was yes--right now, a lot of people are hedging on the future.

I'm not necessarily OKAY with giving up Kempe, but--if you could go all-in for a cup, would you? Does keeping Kempe REALLY help this team win the cup next year as opposed to this year? In the future? Keeping in mind we still likely have a gap on D?

Not necessarily something that needs to be answered but for me, after a lot of thought, I'm okay draining the farm. This is the year. We have a chance to do something special. And I won't begrudge anyone their opinion that thinks otherwise because I don't think there's a right answer--but give me an overwhelming shot at 3 in 5 followed by potentially several years of struggling versus taking our chances with our current D.

To be frank it sounds like a lot of people are sour on this less because of 'the farm' and more because we were burned by Sekera, to which I would point out Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner...

Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner-most were not UFA's or were good shots at staying in LA when they traded for them.

Buff would likely be a pure rental or at least one of him or Lucic will have to move on. Maybe both if they can't move $$$.

I'm OK with going for it, but it isn't a slam dunk for me. Glad I'm not a GM.
 
Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner-most were not UFA's or were good shots at staying in LA when they traded for them.

Buff would likely be a pure rental or at least one of him or Lucic will have to move on. Maybe both if they can't move $$$.

I'm OK with going for it, but it isn't a slam dunk for me. Glad I'm not a GM.

I thought Sekera had a good chance of staying in LA, and I think had DL been able to move Richards at the draft (Edmonton and Calgary were rumored) he would still be a king.

edit: Take away Richards $3.2M cap penalty, Erhhoff Likely would not be brought in so there is $1.5M more for Sekera to use. So I think DL could have made his salary work out
 
Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner-most were not UFA's or were good shots at staying in LA when they traded for them.

Buff would likely be a pure rental or at least one of him or Lucic will have to move on. Maybe both if they can't move $$$.

I'm OK with going for it, but it isn't a slam dunk for me. Glad I'm not a GM.

It's apples to oranges really anyway, I was just pointing out that for the one 'failure' deadline deal DL had, there were quite a few very successful ones. But you do point out something important that most of those guys had term or at least a shot. I do think we were closer to signing Sekera than it may feel (since, well, it's a binary sign-didn't sign anyway :P), though.

But judging by the past, guys with term, it seems like a Shattenkirk type would be more DL's style. Not long term, but at least beyond this year.
 
I keep coming back to the likelihood that it's unlikely to ever be this good again. It's probably going to be at least a while before the Kings are in a position to win 3 in 5 again. Maybe as unlikely as being the next Detroit, who not only haven't missed the playoffs for a quarter of a century in a time period where it's become tougher to make the playoffs than at any point in the league's history, but also sprinkled in some Cups in there.

Who knows if it's Byfuglien or not, who knows if it could all work with the cap, but this might be the last best chance. Kopitar's contract kicks in, the vets get a year older, they may or may not be able to sign Lucic, probably a couple more guys from the Cup teams that will be gone one way or another, etc. If Lombardi has the chance, I'm hoping he takes it. Do what you can to win it this year, and worry about later later.
 
Let's say LA gets Buff (which I hope they do not as it will cost too much), and there is room to sign either Buff or Lucic but not both. Who would everyone prefer to keep?
 
Let's say LA gets Buff (which I hope they do not as it will cost too much), and there is room to sign either Buff or Lucic but not both. Who would everyone prefer to keep?

In that hypothetical I'd lean towards going with Dustin Byfuglien.

I like what Milan Lucic has brought to the team, but an impactful right-handed defensemen with a combination of size, toughness, and offensive skill is really hard to get a hold of.

The flipside, however, is that I think Lucic is a better teammate, more mature/savvy, and overall a stronger leader than Byfuglien. He's kind of representative of what Lombardi and Sutter would want to point to as being a prototypical Los Angeles Kings player.
 
But that's the big question--not for you in particular, but it's the rhetorical question everyone needs to answer. I think before 2012, the easy answer was yes--right now, a lot of people are hedging on the future.

I'm not necessarily OKAY with giving up Kempe, but--if you could go all-in for a cup, would you? Does keeping Kempe REALLY help this team win the cup next year as opposed to this year? In the future? Keeping in mind we still likely have a gap on D?

Not necessarily something that needs to be answered but for me, after a lot of thought, I'm okay draining the farm. This is the year. We have a chance to do something special. And I won't begrudge anyone their opinion that thinks otherwise because I don't think there's a right answer--but give me an overwhelming shot at 3 in 5 followed by potentially several years of struggling versus taking our chances with our current D.

To be frank it sounds like a lot of people are sour on this less because of 'the farm' and more because we were burned by Sekera, to which I would point out Carter, Gaborik, Regehr, Penner...

I agree with you thats a question every king fan needs to answer. This king fan thinks we don't need the upgrade that bad. Our current d is top 4 in the nhl lets not forget this with the chicken little thinking of a couple of bad games that it needs to be improved. Now if your going to get buff or yandle i suggest you use Pearson as the bait
 
In that hypothetical I'd lean towards going with Dustin Byfuglien.

I like what Milan Lucic has brought to the team, but an impactful right-handed defensemen with a combination of size, toughness, and offensive skill is really hard to get a hold of.

The flipside, however, is that I think Lucic is a better teammate, more mature/savvy, and overall a stronger leader than Byfuglien. He's kind of representative of what Lombardi and Sutter would want to point to as being a prototypical Los Angeles Kings player.

I'd disagree with that. Buff is the heart and soul of the Jets. The guy is fantastic in the room, a real glue guy. Every team would love to have Buff in the room.
 
I'd disagree with that. Buff is the heart and soul of the Jets. The guy is fantastic in the room, a real glue guy. Every team would love to have Buff in the room.

That's great to hear actually. I thought it would have been Ladd, but I'm sure you know your Jets better than any of us on this board, so, I'll defer.
 
I have a feeling that we're going to have to overpay for Buffy.

Something like:

Pearson
Mersch/King/Forbort
2nd

It's a hefty price, but I'd be open to it.
 
That's great to hear actually. I thought it would have been Ladd, but I'm sure you know your Jets better than any of us on this board, so, I'll defer.

I'm not in the room, but I grew up with Toews. Back when Hawks were a young team trying to find their way Byfuglien was the guy that really brought the Hawks together, a great guy everyone loved. Here in Winnipeg I've heard secondhand it's much the same. Not exactly a traditional leader, but keeps the guys loose, super positive guy, brings guys together.

Ladd and Wheeler are more "traditional" leader types that kick guys in the butt, but Buff is a great personality and definitely a guy you want in the room.
 
Jets can't afford Ladd going forward at 6M range, they won't take Brown at 5.8...
and it seems to be the 1st rounder is key. Other teams can offer that.

DL is out hunting and he'll get a D, I just don't see it being Byf.

Do we really need another D? I think getting Schenn really solidified the D corps. I know Dean is "all in" and will worry about the cap and draft picks after the season but there has to be some consideration for those two things in the present. The system is thin and I wouldn't want to break the bank for another rental.
 
I figure the Kings are contenders for not only this season but at least 2 more years. I don't want DL to strip the cupboard bare completely on a rental.

I don't see how Lucic and Buff can both fit in under the cap. I think DL is looking for a d-man but not one of the big names.
 
Do we really need another D? I think getting Schenn really solidified the D corps. I know Dean is "all in" and will worry about the cap and draft picks after the season but there has to be some consideration for those two things in the present. The system is thin and I wouldn't want to break the bank for another rental.

Yes. Yes. 100% yes.

It's clear that neither Ehrhoff nor McBain can sustain a high level of play consistent with a true contender, and I question McNabb at times, too. Getting Buff or someone of his ilk kills two birds with one stone as it kicks McNabb down the depth chart.
 
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