2015-2016 Roster Talk: Kings Have no Elite Players Edition
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Kings already replaced Williams with Lucic.
It boils down to business over emotion. What is the single best move to make the Los Angeles Kings a better team - trade Dustin Brown. It'll be tough, but the most important decisions are usually the hardest ones to make. It needs to happen. There is no spot for him on this team anymore.
Pearson is an interesting player. He got a bridge deal, but he hasn't done much to warrant a lucrative deal. I'd give him something like 14 million/4 year.
Toffoli is gonna make ****ing bank. Hopefully a deal gets done somewhere in the 45.5 million/8 year range. I think he's slightly below Tarasenko.
I'm expecting Kempe to be called up sometime the middle of next season like every other player has and stick throughout the playoffs, solidifying himself as a regular on the team. Him and Kopitar are gonna be partners for a long time.
It boils down to business over emotion. What is the single best move to make the Los Angeles Kings a better team - trade Dustin Brown. It'll be tough, but the most important decisions are usually the hardest ones to make. It needs to happen. There is no spot for him on this team anymore.
Pearson is an interesting player. He got a bridge deal, but he hasn't done much to warrant a lucrative deal. I'd give him something like 14 million/4 year.
Toffoli is gonna make ****ing bank. Hopefully a deal gets done somewhere in the 45.5 million/8 year range. I think he's slightly below Tarasenko.
I'm expecting Kempe to be called up sometime the middle of next season like every other player has and stick throughout the playoffs, solidifying himself as a regular on the team. Him and Kopitar are gonna be partners for a long time.
KingsOfCali25
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That's a good looking lineup but I would guess Sutter would run it more like...
Lucic--Kopitar--Toffoli
King--Carter--Gaborik
Brown--Lecavalier--Versteeg
Pearson--Lewis--Clifford
Scuderi--Doughty
Muzzin--Schenn
Martinez--Greene
Just a weird feeling I have that Sutter is gonna pull something out of nowhere
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
prime Luc Robitaille wouldn't be able to play Sutterhockey
And yeah I wasn't trying to suggest those lines would ACTUALLY happen, I just said I would try them, because I noticed Mersch's chemistry with Vinny as well as Gaborik's. Realistically, it'll be one of Brown/Lewis/King, and that's fine too.
MonyontheMoney
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Hey guys. Flames fan here. I was just wondering if you guys would be open to moving Pearson in the offseason. What would be the price?
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This is from practice today.
White: Lucic-Kopitar-Toffoli
Blue: Pearson-Carter-Versteeg
Red: Brown-Lecavalier-Lewis
Yellow: King-Clifford-Shore-Andreoff
-Defensive pairs were Scuderi-Doughty, Muzzin-Martinez and McNabb-Schenn with Jamie McBain skating as an extra. Jordan Nolan did not participate.
White: Lucic-Kopitar-Toffoli
Blue: Pearson-Carter-Versteeg
Red: Brown-Lecavalier-Lewis
Yellow: King-Clifford-Shore-Andreoff
-Defensive pairs were Scuderi-Doughty, Muzzin-Martinez and McNabb-Schenn with Jamie McBain skating as an extra. Jordan Nolan did not participate.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Sutter would never run with a lineup that soft, just not going to happen. All of those extra guys you listed have been God awful for the most part and are still regulars in the lineup.
No way is Mersch playing in the playoffs unless there are significant injuries and depending on the opponent and how he plays game to game I could easily see Sutter scratching Versteeg in favor of a guy like Clifford. Not that I agree, just saying...
PJ Kings Hockey
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Hey Money. I can't see trading away Pearson. With some big contracts on the book, we need Pearson's cheap $1.4 million contract. Our cupboard is bare. We don't have anyone who could replace his production for cheaper, even if he hasn't played to the level of last season before he broke his leg. Add to that, Pearson is young, but he has experience winning the Cup in a very difficult playoff run, and Dean values that experience highly.
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Scottkmlps
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I'm a fan of the job Lewis does on the p.k., but I'm looking forward to him not being on the Kings next season. He just doesn't bring anything else to this team anymore.
gnarls barkley
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eh, maybe relative to what his cap hit will be. Guy can play anywhere and does basically everything else but consistently score, it's really hard to not like that flexibility in your bottom six.
He brings speed and forecheck..comes down to what he wants in a contract for me.
PJ Kings Hockey
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Your post made me look at Lewis' stats on stats.hockeyanalysis.com because his value as a player has been defensive. There has been a significant increase in the Goals Against per 60 minutes of play this season from 1.433 last season to 2.208 this season.
GA60 = Goals scored against team while player is on the ice per 60 minutes of ice time
TMGA60 = The average GA60 of the players line mates when those line mates are not playing with him
OppGF60 = The average GF60 of opposition players when those opposing players are not playing against him
TREVOR LEWIS
2015-2016
GA60 = 2.208
TMGA60 = 1.59
OppGF60 = 2.05
2014-15
GA60 = 1.433
TMGA60 = 2.05
OppGF60 = 2.24
In 2014-15 opponents were limited to 1.433 goals/60 minutes when Trevor Lewis was on the ice, as opposed to generating 2.24 goals/60 minutes when not facing Lewis. Teammates allowed 2.05 goals/60 when not on with Lewis, but .617 fewer goals/60 when put with him. However, this season this has flipped.
I'd like to see the scoring chances for and against.
In January of 2015, Trevor Lewis led the entire NHL in Corsi For %. So far this season, he is 24th in the league and Derek Forbort is #1, 5 on 5.
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Scottkmlps
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The Myth of Lewis' usefulness.
"He can fill in on any line!"
This does not matter as Lewis completely destroys offensive production on that line. The Kings don't score enough to consistently win with 1 line producing. Which is what happens with Lewis in the top 6.
Still other higher paid guys that need to go before Lewis.
Also it isn't Lewis' fault Sutter puts him in a position to fail so often.
Yeah he spent half the time afraid to go into the corner to get a puck after taking a hit.
Ehrhoff's play wasn't earning him ice time over McBain/Forbort/Gravel... I'd rather see Forbort or Gravel because they might get better as they're still developing.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I thought Ehrhoff was a very good depth option until he got his bell rung, then he was playing scared and stupid.
And I guarantee you we miss Lewis when he's gone. By himself, TL is an awesome piece of this team; the problem we collectively have with HIM is actually a problem with others, that they're redundant--him and Shore for example. BUT--someone will probably see something they like (experience, untapped offensive ability) and overpay him...he'll probably get a 3 million contract to play with Eichel in Buffalo or off to Edmonton.
And I guarantee you we miss Lewis when he's gone. By himself, TL is an awesome piece of this team; the problem we collectively have with HIM is actually a problem with others, that they're redundant--him and Shore for example. BUT--someone will probably see something they like (experience, untapped offensive ability) and overpay him...he'll probably get a 3 million contract to play with Eichel in Buffalo or off to Edmonton.
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Ditto. Dwight King has the same amount of goals and two less points in half the games played. Lewis contributes nothing offensively. The bottom 6 needs to get cleaned up this year with the injection of some new talent. Versteeg is a great start.
Buddy The Elf
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There is no way the Kings can afford Trevor Lewis for more than he is making now. Somebody will offer him double that and he'd be a fool not to take it.
Great point in comparing Shore to Lewis, Jesus. I don't know why I never thought of that but I sure as hell hope Shore has at least a hair more of offensive potential.
Great point in comparing Shore to Lewis, Jesus. I don't know why I never thought of that but I sure as hell hope Shore has at least a hair more of offensive potential.
Ziggy Stardust
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I find Shore's issue to be his competitiveness. I don't see him getting involved physically, and by that I mean leaning on guys, winning board battles, using his body or stick to get in the way of shots.
He's listed as 6'1" and 194 lbs, similar measurements to Lewis (only 5 lbs lighter), but he is just too passive and unfit for a bottom six role from what I've seen.
Maybe it's because I was expecting more out of Shore after two solid seasons in Manchester, but I don't see any one particular skill or trait in his game that stands out in a positive way. He's just too weak for the Kings' brand of hockey.
He's listed as 6'1" and 194 lbs, similar measurements to Lewis (only 5 lbs lighter), but he is just too passive and unfit for a bottom six role from what I've seen.
Maybe it's because I was expecting more out of Shore after two solid seasons in Manchester, but I don't see any one particular skill or trait in his game that stands out in a positive way. He's just too weak for the Kings' brand of hockey.
Raccoon Jesus
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I agree on Shore. I'm just saying I think people generally like ONE (maybe two?) of the bottom sixers at a time, but there are just so many redundancies with Lewis/Shore/Brown/King etc. down there.
In a perfect world we keep Lewis forever imo, he should be our Kris Draper, 4th liner for life--but someone will dig his metrics and overpay him.
In a perfect world we keep Lewis forever imo, he should be our Kris Draper, 4th liner for life--but someone will dig his metrics and overpay him.
Ziggy Stardust
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I think a large part of the struggles from the bottom six forwards is that they haven't been lines that Sutter can rely upon, and he's openly been critical of them of late.
Just look at the numbers, I'm sure if I set aside the time later on to look at scoring from bottom six forwards, the Kings will be right at the bottom or near there. They also aren't necessarily physically punishing or grinding out the lines they are matched up against either.
gnarls barkley
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didn't mean he can play anywhere as in any line - meant that he fills in on wing/center as needed anywhere on the bottom six. In an ideal world he's probably your 4th line RW/PK specialist, but obviously part of his usefulness is the ability to play C too.
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