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2015-2016 Roster Talk: Kings Have no Elite Players Edition

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Changed my mind on Schultz after reading he has to be qualified at 4 million or he becomes an UFA. He may be worth it if he reaches UFA and signs a show me contract of 1.5 or so....
 
SFKingshomer said:
Changed my mind on Schultz after reading he has to be qualified at 4 million or he becomes an UFA. He may be worth it if he reaches UFA and signs a show me contract of 1.5 or so....
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nope even then he is very much not worth it. Rather have Forbort and that is not even sarcasm
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
It would be, but in my view, if you can trade that pick for an immediate long-term solution at D...isn't that what you're hoping to get with the pick anyway?
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True, but the benefit of actually using a draft pick instead, is the players you acquire are cost controlled for a longer period of time. My concern with constantly trading picks for developed players is the long-term cap space they take up without knowing how well they fit in the organization.
 
Justin Schultz is going to be of no help for a playoff team. He's the type of project the Kings of yesteryear would take on because they had no hope in the playoffs. Move along now.
 
King'sPawn said:
True, but the benefit of actually using a draft pick instead, is the players you acquire are cost controlled for a longer period of time. My concern with constantly trading picks for developed players is the long-term cap space they take up without knowing how well they fit in the organization.
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That's a very good counterpoint, especially for an aging team.
 
Omni Owl said:
McNabb has been absolute ****, and I don't believe he'll improve.
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Even if one doesn't believe he'd improve, it's easy to acknowledge he's playing top-pairing matchups/minutes; I think being moved down the lineup with another puck-mover he'd be good-to-great. Problem is right now he sucks WITH Doughty because of the matchups and minutes, but he sucks AWAY from Doughty because he can't carry a pairing on his own.
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It's kind of funny that you can cut and paste "McNabb" with "Muzzin" and you have the same kind of comments fans were making when Jake Muzzin was being broken in by Sutter a few years back.

I remember thinking at the time that it was too much, too soon for Muzzin -- that he was being force fed minutes and playing way above his skill set next to Doughty.

Now this is just my opinion, but I think the mistakes by Muzzin at the time were far more blatant and a ton more frequent. However, the big differences between them is that McNabb does not have the offensive game to make it hurt less with contributions on the score sheet so it's harder for him to atone for his brain cramps.
 
Primakov! said:
It's kind of funny that you can cut and paste "McNabb" with "Muzzin" and you have the same kind of comments fans were making when Jake Muzzin was being broken in by Sutter a few years back.

I remember thinking at the time that it was too much, too soon for Muzzin -- that he was being force fed minutes and playing way above his skill set next to Doughty.

Now this is just my opinion, but I think the mistakes by Muzzin at the time were far more blatant and a ton more frequent. However, the big differences between them is that McNabb does not have the offensive game to make it hurt less with contributions on the score sheet so it's harder for him to atone for his brain cramps.
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To me, the difference is that Muzzin was making mistakes WITH the puck, McNabb makes them without.
 
Reclamation Project said:
I was thinking Schultz more as an off season RP. I think he'd be solid with a training camp and full season.
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I'd like to see Alex Chiasson added to that list too as a guy that might need a change of scenery away from the scrutiny in Ottawa where he was being looked at as the key piece in the return for Jason Spezza.

Still a young player at 25 with size (6'4", 208) that consistently got screens, tips, and rebounds when he was playing for the Stars. Not a great skater, but if he still plays that style he would definitely be that front net presence that Sutter is always looking for.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
To me, the difference is that Muzzin was making mistakes WITH the puck, McNabb makes them without.
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From what I recall, he was making them without the puck on both sides as well.

Offensively he was taking chances by venturing way too far into the offensive zone to be an option without winger support or getting caught on horrendously timed pinches that led directly to breakaways or odd man chances against.

Defensively he tried to step up his physicality in the neutral and defensive zones when he would get benched or called out by Sutter for not being engaged enough. He would then overdo it by taking himself totally out of position by focusing on delivering the big hit.

I don't know if you remember things differently, but there were many, many, many instances where I was throwing the remote at the TV and screaming Muzzin's name like it was the dirtiest word in all of creation.

Edit: "He's on the ice, here comes a goal against!" was used as well.
 
Primakov! said:
From what I recall, he was making them without the puck on both sides as well.

Offensively he was taking chances by venturing way too far into the offensive zone to be an option without winger support or getting caught on horrendously timed pinches that led directly to breakaways or odd man chances against.

Defensively he tried to step up his physicality in the neutral and defensive zones when he would get benched or called out by Sutter for not being engaged enough. He would then overdo it by taking himself totally out of position by focusing on delivering the big hit.

I don't know if you remember things differently, but there were many, many, many instances where I was throwing the remote at the TV and screaming Muzzin's name like it was the dirtiest word in all of creation.

Edit: "He's on the ice, here comes a goal against!" was used as well.
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No you're right and I'm overgeneralizing, I just remember the "oh ****" moments mostly being pinches and turnovers as opposed to repeatedly getting walked and randomly falling down.
 
Muzzin just had a higher ceiling than McNabb. You knew if Muzzin could put it all together that he could be a top 2/3 defenseman. If McNabb does, he's not going to be Muzzin, but he'll be a 4/5.

McNabb may be 25 now, but he's barely played the equivalent of 2 seasons. Plus 0 playoff games. Who knows how much the 2013 playoffs helped Muzzin, even though he had his bad moments. Having to grind it out against the Blues and Sharks like that. Same with Toffoli that year.

The only way for McNabb to get better is to play, make those mistakes, and learn from them over time. That learning might not happen this season. It might only kick in next year. At the same time, the Kings are trying to win now, same as 2013. Muzzin got to play so much because of injury that year, and McNabb this year because of various things. Mitchell moved along, Regehr retired, Voynov is gone. Cap issues. Never easy finding the right mix.
 
That's for darn sure.

And we're still spoiled from having possibly one of the greatest D-cores of all time in 2012 firing on all cylinders...imo departure of Mitchell is missed the most but losing a stellar 2nd pairing in Mitchell AND Voynov is what's crippling and almost irreplaceable.

That this team is having one of its best regular seasons ever in spite of a carousel of d-men behind the top guys and them getting run into the ground is a credit to how good it actually is, but you can only mask those flaws for so long, they WILL be exposed vs. a deeper team, and we'll have to compensate with either scoring or bionic Quick.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
That's for darn sure.

And we're still spoiled from having possibly one of the greatest D-cores of all time in 2012 firing on all cylinders...imo departure of Mitchell is missed the most but losing a stellar 2nd pairing in Mitchell AND Voynov is what's crippling and almost irreplaceable.

That this team is having one of its best regular seasons ever in spite of a carousel of d-men behind the top guys and them getting run into the ground is a credit to how good it actually is, but you can only mask those flaws for so long, they WILL be exposed vs. a deeper team, and we'll have to compensate with either scoring or bionic Quick.
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I tend to agree that it will get exposed but wasn't that the same thing that kept being said about Chicago last year. With them only play for the most part 4D the whole playoffs.
And come playoff time except that first round vs San Jose is there any other Quick come playoff time?
 
tsanuri said:
I tend to agree that it will get exposed but wasn't that the same thing that kept being said about Chicago last year. With them only play for the most part 4D the whole playoffs.
And come playoff time except that first round vs San Jose is there any other Quick come playoff time?
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yes, the Quick that the Hawks always get to play, aka ~.900 for a whole series Quick

someone in the goddamn central needs to step up and actually give the Hawks a challenge this year. best division in the league my ass, when was the last time any other central team went 7 with them, the Red Wings?

Kings either need a gamebreaker top 6F or a solid top 4D to keep pace, they're not going to have enough in the tank to carry dead weight up and down the lineup through June
 
I forget the exactly numbers, but Quick vs. everyone else in the plyaoffs since 2012 is a .939, vs. Chicago he's sub .900, around 880ish.
 
kingsofLA said:
Is their another defensive D-men like Schenn available (maybe Polak). i still feel like our D is not stable, so our forwards have to back check more often to compensate. And well our offensive chances decrease.
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Well, i guess there is Scuderi. But I do think he is a better fit to our needs than Erhoff. We now have some solid PKrs in Scuderi and Schenn, which is going to come handy in the playoffs and closing out games. Hopefully Doughtys' PK minutes can go down along the way.
 
just a brief summary, new additions this season:
- lucic
- schenn
- lecavalier
- scuderi

that's 4 new faces in a 24-guys roster (ontario not included here). with a potential fifth guy that would mean 20% of the roster. imo that's a lot. can anyone tell when was the last time that lak upgraded with 5 guys in just one season?
 
mrkolice said:
just a brief summary, new additions this season:
- lucic
- schenn
- lecavalier
- scuderi

that's 4 new faces in a 24-guys roster (ontario not included here). with a potential fifth guy that would mean 20% of the roster. imo that's a lot. can anyone tell when was the last time that lak upgraded with 5 guys in just one season?
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Go back to between June 2008 and July 2009, within about a calendar year the Kings added Doughty, Stoll, Greene, Williams, Scuderi, and Smyth. Could throw Simmonds in there too.
 
thx, i had a feeling it was back then, a tectonic shift of such dimensions. anyhow, that's a lot of new faces. true, they're not rookies so it must be easier to click, well, they're uber experienced pros, but still, i just hope it works, that chemistry thing. in sutter we trust :bow:
 
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mrkolice said:
just a brief summary, new additions this season:
- lucic
- schenn
- lecavalier
- scuderi

that's 4 new faces in a 24-guys roster (ontario not included here). with a potential fifth guy that would mean 20% of the roster. imo that's a lot. can anyone tell when was the last time that lak upgraded with 5 guys in just one season?
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With losing key leaders Williams, Richards, and Stoll, adding Scuderi is negating the feeling of turnover to some extent, bringing more familiarity to the room. Bringing leadership and experience especially to the young defensive corps, like Regehr did.
 
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