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2015-2016 Roster Talk: Kings Have no Elite Players Edition

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Trouba would be ideal, in that he's still young enough to grow with our core and he's a right handed shot. Not sure Winnipeg would want to part with him though, I think they'd much rather lose Enstrom and Ladd instead.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Hamonic would be the closest thing, not really known as a big offensive threat but he doesn't waste time getting the puck up ice. I don't think the Kings have the assets to pull that one off either.
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Or the Geography. LA is too far from Western Canada, where he wants to be traded.
 
Mattias said:
Do you get the sense we are grasping at straws with our prospects? When we're hoping that Gravel can just hopefully fill the void of Ehnhoff, things look a tad bleak in the long term. Long term because after this year it looks like VL/Schenn/Lucic are all gone. If Matt Greene returns...oh mama. While I felt the VL trade is looking great so far, our development system has not stepped up outside of our traditional grinder 3rd line players (minus Toffoli) in some time.

We keep hearing how fixing the back-end is such a priority, when all these assets could have secured something longer term. That combination of !st+1st+Miller+Jones+McKeown might have had a better chance of an upgrade on defense. But I'm not the GM, I am unaware of what offers could have been on the table.
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(Taken from the Around the League thread)

Seeing any of them as future top 6 or top 4 players? Yes. Too early to say about Cernak. We've been seeing our top AHLers tear it up down there, but once they get up here they can't buy a goal with lottery winnings. Shore, Weal. That's why I have tempered expectations for Amadio.

However, I am cautiously optimistic about Gravel being the right fit for a solid 3rd pair. He's got the height and when he gains more weight he'll have the size. He's not a pylon. Most importantly, he has the hockey IQ. I don't see any glaring weaknesses. I think a lot of teams have third-pair defensemen who are strong but slow, offensive contributors but defensive adventures, bruising but too slow or poor in their decision-making. I see Gravel as being a future third-pair defenseman a coach can trust.

But overall, yes, I'm not sure where we're going from here. I'm sure Lombardi has his slots for where the prospects are projected to fall into. Will he pull a McNabb and trade for an almost-there forward prospect to fill an empty slot? Our top junior forward prospects are Mike Amadio and Spencer Watson. Watson is not a Sutter or Kings-type player. He's future trade bait, sadly. Amadio, that's it. Our future scorers are Mersch, Kempe, Zykov, Brodzinski and Amadio?
 
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I still don't think it's that dire because we have at least five years till we have to worry about replacing Kopitar or Carter, at which time we've accepted we'll likely suck anyway, so not sucking will be a bonus. Almost Doesn't matter who we draft/develop when other teams are getting McDavid, Matthews, Ekblad every year. and we're aging.

I trust DL and staff to move picks to move up and really what's the difference between the #30 overall pick and a mid-second? We've been money at mid-round drafting, trust the process and trust the system, because we just keep finding Kings.

Edit: and personally I'm super high on amadio but I don't think his goal scoring will translate, it's encouraging that he's an offensive catalyst and I think his IQ will shine when surrounded with better players, but his shot placement, velocity, and release aren't anything special, think Trevor Lewis really when I look at that part.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Edit: and personally I'm super high on amadio but I don't think his goal scoring will translate, it's encouraging that he's an offensive catalyst and I think his IQ will shine when surrounded with better players, but his shot placement, velocity, and release aren't anything special, think Trevor Lewis really when I look at that part.
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Don't even joke about that
 
Omni Owl said:
Trouba would be ideal, in that he's still young enough to grow with our core and he's a right handed shot. Not sure Winnipeg would want to part with him though, I think they'd much rather lose Enstrom and Ladd instead.
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Hamonic for Trouba would have made sense, since Hamonic wants Western Canada and when Byf got his new deal, given Trouba wants (reportedly) a 7M per LTC, that he would be shopped, Hamonic's deal is much friendlier, but that hasn't happened. Elliotte Friedman (a few days back) said it perhaps on both sides, the Isles wanted a plyer with term and the Jets wanted more than Hamonic for Trouba..

And maybe because the Isles already have Boychuck and Leddy on LTC's...but if the Jets determine Trouba is not able to be signed, he'll should net a fairly good return .

I think Trouba has great upside , but can't see how the Kings would fit that 7M or thereabouts into their CAP, not with trying to sign Lucic and also Toffoli and Pearson (among others) coming up.

Speaking of the Isles, one of the NY reports noted that Tavares (like many ofhis teammates) doesn't like the Brooklyn setup and theorized how that would affect his next contract (this one is up in 2018) He'd be a good catch for somebody...love his game.
 
HeungMinSon said:
True, I thought since he only had 10 or so more points than Schenn, something could be worked around
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That's true.

Could we build something around Lucic for Giroux?

How about Pearson for Ghost?

Just giving you a hard time. You know there's more to it than raw points. Toffoli is a dynamic top-six sniper.
 
I don't think Trouba expects to get 7M. Heard from someone I trust that he isn't exactly happy with his role in Winnipeg and the demands may be more a way to force himself to a different team.

Would love to see Trouba in LA at a little less than that figure, but I just don't see what the Kings offer would be. The Kings just don't have that 19-22 year old with huge upside to build the offer around.
 
Herby said:
I don't think Trouba expects to get 7M. Heard from someone I trust that he isn't exactly happy with his role in Winnipeg and the demands may be more a way to force himself to a different team.

Would love to see Trouba in LA at a little less than that figure, but I just don't see what the Kings offer would be. The Kings just don't have that 19-22 year old with huge upside to build the offer around.
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Sounds like a similar situation with Hamilton in Boston.
 
Herby said:
I don't think Trouba expects to get 7M. Heard from someone I trust that he isn't exactly happy with his role in Winnipeg and the demands may be more a way to force himself to a different team.

Would love to see Trouba in LA at a little less than that figure, but I just don't see what the Kings offer would be. The Kings just don't have that 19-22 year old with huge upside to build the offer around.
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I would overpay for trouba and I would drive McNabb to the airport myself. I agree that he's the perfect Voynov replacement and learning under Doughty and Muzzin in the LA system would be a godsend.

Doughty-Muzzin / Trouba-Martinez /Gravel-Schenn
 
Herby said:
I don't think Trouba expects to get 7M. Heard from someone I trust that he isn't exactly happy with his role in Winnipeg and the demands may be more a way to force himself to a different team.

Would love to see Trouba in LA at a little less than that figure, but I just don't see what the Kings offer would be. The Kings just don't have that 19-22 year old with huge upside to build the offer around.
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Looks like a strategy that will pay off for him. And there are teams that do have the asking price, curious to see where he lands.
And where Ladd ends up, someone who could provide leadership and experience for a team on the hunt for a deep Cup run.
 
Herby said:
I don't think Trouba expects to get 7M. Heard from someone I trust that he isn't exactly happy with his role in Winnipeg and the demands may be more a way to force himself to a different team.

Would love to see Trouba in LA at a little less than that figure, but I just don't see what the Kings offer would be. The Kings just don't have that 19-22 year old with huge upside to build the offer around.
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I would think it would have to be a quantity deal. One of Muzzin or Martinez, just for future contract and cap space purposes. Maybe Pearson. If Kempe is the top prospect, probably him in the mix somewhere too.

Something like that. That might not even be enough, depending in what it is, who knows. It's a 22 year old right handed defenseman picked high in the draft. It's not Carter or Gaborik. It's more Richards, where you're going to have to give something up that you don't want to, and find a way to make up the difference on the roster somehow.

Muzzin - Doughty
Martinez - Trouba

There's just no way. McNabb - Doughty, someone - Trouba, that would be more realistic.
 
CandianKingsFan14 said:
Deadline Deal

To Winnipeg
Dwight King
Derek Forbort
Spencer Watson
Valentin Zykov
1st Pick 2017

To LA
Andrew Ladd
Jacob Trouba
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No way, what is the center piece coming back to Winnipeg?

King is a 3rd liner, a very good one but a 3rd liner.

Forbort is an NHL/AHL tweener almost six years after being drafted as a Top 15 pick.

Zykov has done next to nothing since being drafted by the Kings.

The Kings just don't have what Winnipeg would be looking for unless we ponied up Toffoli or Muzzin, and that makes it a lateral move for the Kings.
 
Herby said:
No way, what is the center piece coming back to Winnipeg?

King is a 3rd liner, a very good one but a 3rd liner.

Forbort is an NHL/AHL tweener almost six years after being drafted as a Top 15 pick.

Zykov has done next to nothing since being drafted by the Kings.

The Kings just don't have what Winnipeg would be looking for unless we ponied up Toffoli or Muzzin, and that makes it a lateral move for the Kings.
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Sub in Pearson in then instead of King. This is of course that can't resign Trouba. That's alot we can potentially give up. Zykov could turn to be a good top 6 six player. Watson could also be another good player down the road.
 
CandianKingsFan14 said:
Sub in Pearson in then instead of King. This is of course that can't resign Trouba. That's alot we can potentially give up. Zykov could turn to be a good top 6 six player. Watson could also be another good player down the road.
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The problem is, there are 28 other teams who would be interested in Jacob Trouba, and most of those would be able to put up a better offer than the Kings, that is just the reality of the situation. We have lost a lot of young assets because we have been contenders since 2011 and have made so many trades.
 
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