2015-2016 Roster Talk: East Coast Thinks We Suck Edition(MOD WARNING) post# 107

[Minor Boarding]

I think Greene might be done, but the org would do him a solid by just LTIR'ing him for the remainder of the contract. i.e. Pronger.

I LOVE Lewis and he should be a King for life but someone is going to throw 3 million + at him and we won't be able to stick that. He may 'deserve' a bigger role on another team. Shore will be his cheap replacement and at Center.

We've fortunately gotten faster as a team with guys like Pearson around so losing Lewis doesn't sting AS much since Pearson is a top-six version of Lewis and Shore can bring the d-side too.

I hate to justify losing Lewis. hate it. **** the cap world. Most underrated player on our team, even more so than King.

I fully agree with the whole post. Nice job.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

who are the hypothetical #3 and #4 C's next year if we do lose Lewis? Shore and AndyAndy? Ive been really pleased with both but I doubt Sutter trusts either of them to cement one at the #3 C role yet. I trust Dean but Im a little nervous to see what happens this off-season and next

Dowd? Training camp surprise? Crescenzi? Not sure but I doubt the 3C/4C is a huge priority yet.

 

[gnarls barkley]

who are the hypothetical #3 and #4 C's next year if we do lose Lewis? Shore and AndyAndy? Ive been really pleased with both but I doubt Sutter trusts either of them to cement one at the #3 C role yet. I trust Dean but Im a little nervous to see what happens this off-season and next

Dowd? Training camp surprise? Crescenzi? Not sure but I doubt the 3C/4C is a huge priority yet.

like i said before, i could definitely see Clifford/Lewis/Nolan/Lucic being let go or moved, and Dean brings in a ~4M vet center + resigns Toffoli

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings are going to lose depth and someone like Lucic/Pearson/A-Mart down the road, if the Cap stays stagnant.

Accept it, it's going to happen, paying Kopitar/Toffoli/Doughty what they want.

 

[Trolfoli]

The Kings are going to lose depth and someone like Lucic/Pearson/A-Mart down the road, if the Cap stays stagnant.

Accept it, it's going to happen, paying Kopitar/Toffoli/Doughty what they want.

Losing depth isn't a problem created by paying players that are preforming. Losing depth will be caused by paying players that aren't preforming.

If there was another option for a gritty top 6 winger on the team losing Lucic wouldn't matter. Hell the team wouldn't have needed to trade for Lucic if they had that player. This isn't on the star 1C, 1D or the young winger that might break 30 goals on an offensively stagnant team.

 

[dman3474]

Giving Shore and Andy a deep playoff run where they can switch in and out of lineup should force them to step up their game. Hopefully one of them can elevate their game enough so they will be a solid option on the 3rd line next season

 

[bob77]

Dowd? Training camp surprise? Crescenzi? Not sure but I doubt the 3C/4C is a huge priority yet.

Dowd is older, but plays physical and with energy. Crescenzi seems and little bigger but skates well for a big kid. I can see Dowd or Cr playing 4c, Dowd even 3c, but Cr only 4c. Dowd could easily be playing on other rosters. He will never be top 6, but that's not who he is anyway. His play is perfectly suited for the bottom 6, and I think he'd be good at it. Better than Shore! Better than VL even now. Better than AA. Better than Lewis. IMO

 

[guderian]

The Kings are going to lose depth and someone like Lucic/Pearson/A-Mart down the road, if the Cap stays stagnant.

Accept it, it's going to happen, paying Kopitar/Toffoli/Doughty what they want.

When does Doughty contract runs out?

Lucic is obvious answer, Kings could maybe keep him @6,5M LTC but that would jeopardize contract extensions in near future (Toffoli, Pearson and possibly Doughty).
In this situation it sounds odds are better if Kings keep Lewis, Toffoli, Pearson and Schenn if Greene is done (Martinez is no-brainer keeper) along with cap space flexibility.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

When does Doughty contract runs out?

Lucic is obvious answer, Kings could maybe keep him @6,5M LTC but that would jeopardize contract extensions in near future (Toffoli, Pearson and possibly Doughty).
In this situation it sounds odds are better if Kings keep Lewis, Toffoli, Pearson and Schenn if Greene is done (Martinez is no-brainer keeper) along with cap space flexibility.

His last contracted year is 17/18, I believe.

 

[Ron*]

When does Doughty contract runs out?

Lucic is obvious answer, Kings could maybe keep him @6,5M LTC but that would jeopardize contract extensions in near future (Toffoli, Pearson and possibly Doughty).
In this situation it sounds odds are better if Kings keep Lewis, Toffoli, Pearson and Schenn if Greene is done (Martinez is no-brainer keeper) along with cap space flexibility.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112195363&postcount=642

 

[Ron*]

So, in reviewing my chart, and if we assume the CAP to remain the same (not go down, not go up) at $71,400,000 then we have $7,133,106 to (initially) play with ($71,400,000 less $64,266,894).

However, we already know that Lecavalier's salary is coming off the books for next season, so adding $2,250,000 to that number, we get $9,383,106. Additionally, I don't see Greene coming back from season-ending shoulder surgery. I think he will retire, especially if the Kings give him a coaching position and a salary commensurate with his happiness (and of course, it won't count against the CAP). Add that in to the equation, and we now get $11,883,106.

So, let's fill in our roster spots. Attacking the defense corps first, I would give all those guys (or some equivalents if they don't wish to accept those figures) roughly the same amount, with the exception of McNabb, doubling his salary (maybe on some sort of bridge deal). So that would be $11,883,106 less $4,900,000, or $6,983,106 left. We also have to fill Greene's roster spot. So if we bring Forbort up and sign him for $1,000,000 (which I think is fair, given that he hasn't shown us really anything yet), that leaves us with $5,983,106.

This is where it gets kind of dicey, because we have to choose between Lewis and Lucic, and still have to fill Lewis' roster spot with a warm body if we choose Lucic. And I don't think Lucic would sign for less than $6 million a year. If the salary CAP would actually go up by about $1 million, we can sign both players, and resolve the issues for this season.

If we lock everybody up this season in this manner, then we will most certainly have to look at trades for the following season to lock up Toffoli and Pearson. But I think under this scenario, we can get it done for 2016-17.

 

[Ron*]

His last contracted year is 17/18, I believe.

Three more seasons after this one: Doughty is signed through the 2018-19 season.

 

[YP44]

So, in reviewing my chart, and if we assume the CAP to remain the same (not go down, not go up) at $71,400,000 then we have $7,133,106 to (initially) play with ($71,400,000 less $64,266,894).

However, we already know that Lecavalier's salary is coming off the books for next season, so adding $2,250,000 to that number, we get $9,383,106. Additionally, I don't see Greene coming back from season-ending shoulder surgery. I think he will retire, especially if the Kings give him a coaching position and a salary commensurate with his happiness (and of course, it won't count against the CAP). Add that in to the equation, and we now get $11,883,106.

So, let's fill in our roster spots. Attacking the defense corps first, I would give all those guys (or some equivalents if they don't wish to accept those figures) roughly the same amount, with the exception of McNabb, doubling his salary (maybe on some sort of bridge deal). So that would be $11,883,106 less $4,900,000, or $6,983,106 left. We also have to fill Greene's roster spot. So if we bring Forbort up and sign him for $1,000,000 (which I think is fair, given that he hasn't shown us really anything yet), that leaves us with $5,983,106.

This is where it gets kind of dicey, because we have to choose between Lewis and Lucic, and still have to fill Lewis' roster spot with a warm body if we choose Lucic. And I don't think Lucic would sign for less than $6 million a year. If the salary CAP would actually go up by about $1 million, we can sign both players, and resolve the issues for this season.

If we lock everybody up this season in this manner, then we will most certainly have to look at trades for the following season to lock up Toffoli and Pearson. But I think under this scenario, we can get it done for 2016-17.

the only thing is I do not think it's safe to assume Greene retires. why would he sacrifice $5M left owing to him. I think best case scenerio he goes on LTIR for the remainder of his deal.

 

[Fat Elvis]

That Brown contract is the elephant in the room

 

[guderian]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112195363&postcount=642

Tnx

Just shows it would be gamble to sign Lucic to LTC.

 

[tsanuri]

the only thing is I do not think it's safe to assume Greene retires. why would he sacrifice $5M left owing to him. I think best case scenerio he goes on LTIR for the remainder of his deal.

He'd still get paid if it was from the injury. That is the thing. It's in the CBA. The reason they played the games they did with the likes of Pronger is because he was on a 35+ contract. This is from the SPC.

d) It is also agreed that if the Player, in the sole judgment of the Club's physician, is
disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player by reason of an injury sustained
during the course of his employment as a hockey Player, including travel with his team or on
business requested by the Club, he shall be entitled to receive his remaining Paragraph 1 Salary
and Signing Bonuses due in accordance with the terms of this SPC for the remaining stated term
of this SPC as long as the said disability and inability to perform continue but in no event beyond
the expiration date of the fixed term of this SPC.

 

[King'sPawn]

It still astounds me with the volume of NHL players the Kings have drafted and developed that people are worried about where depth will come from as the Kings go through more growing pains.

 

[YP44]

He'd still get paid if it was from the injury. That is the thing. It's in the CBA. The reason they played the games they did with the likes of Pronger is because he was on a 35+ contract. This is from the SPC.

wait so he could retire, get paid and not be on the kings cap? Sign me up

 

[Trolfoli]

So, in reviewing my chart, and if we assume the CAP to remain the same (not go down, not go up) at $71,400,000 then we have $7,133,106 to (initially) play with ($71,400,000 less $64,266,894).

However, we already know that Lecavalier's salary is coming off the books for next season, so adding $2,250,000 to that number, we get $9,383,106. Additionally, I don't see Greene coming back from season-ending shoulder surgery. I think he will retire, especially if the Kings give him a coaching position and a salary commensurate with his happiness (and of course, it won't count against the CAP). Add that in to the equation, and we now get $11,883,106.

So, let's fill in our roster spots. Attacking the defense corps first, I would give all those guys (or some equivalents if they don't wish to accept those figures) roughly the same amount, with the exception of McNabb, doubling his salary (maybe on some sort of bridge deal). So that would be $11,883,106 less $4,900,000, or $6,983,106 left. We also have to fill Greene's roster spot. So if we bring Forbort up and sign him for $1,000,000 (which I think is fair, given that he hasn't shown us really anything yet), that leaves us with $5,983,106.

This is where it gets kind of dicey, because we have to choose between Lewis and Lucic, and still have to fill Lewis' roster spot with a warm body if we choose Lucic. And I don't think Lucic would sign for less than $6 million a year. If the salary CAP would actually go up by about $1 million, we can sign both players, and resolve the issues for this season.

If we lock everybody up this season in this manner, then we will most certainly have to look at trades for the following season to lock up Toffoli and Pearson. But I think under this scenario, we can get it done for 2016-17.

But, I read on the internet that there was an impending Zombie Apocalypse because the NHL salary cap was going to drop into the $60,000,000's!!!

 

[YP44]

That Brown contract is the elephant in the room

not really it gets talked to at great lengths

 

[Ron*]

the only thing is I do not think it's safe to assume Greene retires. why would he sacrifice $5M left owing to him. I think best case scenerio he goes on LTIR for the remainder of his deal.

Which would have the same effect in terms of maneuvering the CAP.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

I think its more likely we choose between Lewis+Schenn or Lucic. Or perhaps even Schenn or Lucic with Lewis walking regardless. Go back to LW by committee until we can see what Kempe brings to the table, and make sure Toffoli gets re-signed with no hassle.

 

[gnarls barkley]

I think its more likely we choose between Lewis+Schenn or Lucic. Or perhaps even Schenn or Lucic with Lewis walking regardless. Go back to LW by committee until we can see what Kempe brings to the table, and make sure Toffoli gets re-signed with no hassle.

i love Lewis but i'm pretty sure he's gone barring a minor miracle or loss of a larger contract. Someone will throw an absurd amount at him and the Kings will be priced out of the running.

 

[YP44]

Which would have the same effect in terms of maneuvering the CAP.

i think the only difference being that he would count against the cap until day 1 of the regular season so it may limit offseason moves. (why the flyers wanted to trade Pronger)
Doesn't matter though if what was posted above is true.

 

[YP44]

I think its more likely we choose between Lewis+Schenn or Lucic. Or perhaps even Schenn or Lucic with Lewis walking regardless. Go back to LW by committee until we can see what Kempe brings to the table, and make sure Toffoli gets re-signed with no hassle.

i wonder what schenn will be looking for. Too soon to offer him a lot. Wouldn't surprise me if he wants the same type of cap hit he currently is on (3.6).
i imagine it's wishful thinking but it would be nice if the player realizes that he will thrive in LA's system and take a bit of a discount to stay