2015-2016 Roster Talk: East Coast Thinks We Suck Edition(MOD WARNING) post# 107

[Ron*]

Salary chart updated, link is at the bottom of this post.

The Kings are $1,881,894 over the CAP. But since Greene is on LTIR, they can use the difference between his salary and what they are over the CAP as actual CAP space to sign another player. That difference is $618,106.

So, all they have left available to them is $618,106; unless, of course, Clifford also goes to LTIR. But that remains to be seen.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=111787449&postcount=640

 

[lumbergh]

Salary chart updated, link is at the bottom of this post.

The Kings are $1,881,894 over the CAP. But since Greene is on LTIR, they can use the difference between his salary and what they are over the CAP as actual CAP space to sign another player. That difference is $618,106.

So, all they have left available to them is $618,106; unless, of course, Clifford also goes to LTIR. But that remains to be seen.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=111787449&postcount=640

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Schenn's and Vinny's contracts get prorated? Basically about only half of the half of their actual cap hits get tacked onto the Kings' cap number (half retained, and half season). The Kings might have a lot more cap space than we know.

 

[YP44]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Schenn's and Vinny's contracts get prorated? Basically about only half of the half of their actual cap hits get tacked onto the Kings' cap number (half retained, and half season). The Kings might have a lot more cap space than we know.

their cap hit does not get prorated. VL is on the books for $2.25 and LS for $1.8

 

[Ron*]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Schenn's and Vinny's contracts get prorated? Basically about only half of the half of their actual cap hits get tacked onto the Kings' cap number (half retained, and half season). The Kings might have a lot more cap space than we know.

The contracts get prorated in terms of salary paid to the player, but the CAP gets hit with the full enchilada.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Cap hits are calculated daily. That's why you hear about players being sent down on off-days for teams who are in a tight bind. It's based on the number of days a player is on the roster, and it is prorated.

Acquiring those two now saves more cap space as opposed to adding them in October.

 

[KINGS17]

Cap hits are calculated daily. That's why you hear about players being sent down on off-days for teams who are in a tight bind. It's based on the number of days a player is on the roster, and it is prorated.

Acquiring those two now saves more cap space as opposed to adding them in October.

This is exactly how it works and why having the Kings AHL in Ontario is advantageous. I would have expected to see Shore and Forbort going up and down more often to save some pennies, but I guess Dean isn't pound foolish.

 

[Ron*]

Jesus, there must be an algorithm out there that calculates that. I certainly can't do it on a spreadsheet.

I guess I can do it on a spreadsheet for a particular day. Is the last day for the calculation June 30?

 

[Ron*]

Another thing I thought of is if they have been ****ing with the CAP throughout the season (for example, sending Mersch down for a few days), then the numbers have been manipulated throughout the season and I have no way of knowing the exact number for a CAP hit.

Well, look at it this way: We have at least $618,106 to play with.

 

[KINGS17]

Jesus, there must be an algorithm out there that calculates that. I certainly can't do it on a spreadsheet.

I guess I can do it on a spreadsheet for a particular day. Is the last day for the calculation June 30?

This is why Jeff Solomon makes the big bucks.

 

[gnarls barkley]

my sense is that they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on this trade if it would significantly handicap the ability to also make a deadline deal if the opportunity arose

 

[Ron*]

This is why Jeff Solomon makes the big bucks.

Building an algorithm for this type of calculation is actually trivial in nature. However, I would have to know the players' salaries on a daily basis, in accordance with length of call-ups and send-downs. Obviously, he has this information available to him. Without having to do all that work, would be fun to know how much the CAP they have left for moves during this season.

 

[KINGS17]

Building an algorithm for this type of calculation is actually trivial in nature. However, I would have to know the players' salaries on a daily basis, in accordance with length of call-ups and send-downs. Obviously, he has this information available to him. Without having to do all that work, would be fun to know how much the CAP they have left for moves during this season.

Building the algorithm is trivial, yes, and I believe the gentleman that managed cap geek had one. That's why everyone used his site.

Managing the player's psyche and the cap at the same time, well that's a different story.

 

[guderian]

Jesus, there must be an algorithm out there that calculates that. I certainly can't do it on a spreadsheet.

I guess I can do it on a spreadsheet for a particular day. Is the last day for the calculation June 30?

It's until last day of regular season, 182 days total(cca 6 months). There is no cap during playoffs.

 

[Trolfoli]

Building an algorithm for this type of calculation is actually trivial in nature. However, I would have to know the players' salaries on a daily basis, in accordance with length of call-ups and send-downs. Obviously, he has this information available to him. Without having to do all that work, would be fun to know how much the CAP they have left for moves during this season.

Tracking the roster information as it happened would be the easiest way, and with the information LaKingsInsider it should be possible. Once you have a read out of how many days each person played at what salary it would be pretty easy to calculate the totals. You'd have to watch the LTIR calculation as it's not 100% of the salary being moved...

I would just make one spread sheet for the roster that tracked days played for the players, then make another tab that cranked out the calculation... Might take a couple hours in Excel to get if figured out, but once done it's just updating...

Sounds like a good project if I'm going through hockey withdraws this off season.

 

[Ron*]

Tracking the roster information as it happened would be the easiest way, and with the information LaKingsInsider it should be possible. Once you have a read out of how many days each person played at what salary it would be pretty easy to calculate the totals. You'd have to watch the LTIR calculation as it's not 100% of the salary being moved...

I would just make one spread sheet for the roster that tracked days played for the players, then make another tab that cranked out the calculation... Might take a couple hours in Excel to get if figured out, but once done it's just updating...

Sounds like a good project if I'm going through hockey withdraws this off season.

It would take all ****ing day and I work. Don't have time for this ****.

 

[KINGS17]

The loonie continues to fall.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ts-warn-of-further-corrosion/article28030385/

I will say it again. The Kane and Toews contracts are not valid comps for any player in the NHL today. Stan Bowman thought the salary cap would be up around $80M next season. That simply will not be the case. The cap will not grow much, if at all.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

The loonie continues to fall.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ts-warn-of-further-corrosion/article28030385/

I will say it again. The Kane and Toews contracts are not valid comps for any player in the NHL today. Stan Bowman thought the salary cap would be up around $80M next season. That simply will not be the case. The cap will not grow much, if at all.

I read/heard somewhere (can't remember where) that someone was saying that the cap should raise by 3m on cap projections. But that GMs are in the mindset that if the cap raises anywhere above 1m it would be a miracle.

 

[KINGS17]

I read/heard somewhere (can't remember where) that someone was saying that the cap should raise by 3m on cap projections. But that GMs are in the mindset that if the cap raises anywhere above 1m it would be a miracle.

Re: $3M increase, it was Bettman and he did the same thing last year, and the increase was substantially less than his initial prediction.

Maybe if Saudi Arabia goes to war with Iran the cap will increase, but oil inventories are extremely high right now, and demand is down as the Chinese economy and stock market is sagging.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Byfuglien plz

 

[Reclamation Project]

Re: $3M increase, it was Bettman and he did the same thing last year, and the increase was substantially less than his initial prediction.

Maybe if Saudi Arabia goes to war with Iran the cap will increase, but oil inventories are extremely high right now, and demand is down as the Chinese economy and stock market is sagging.

You act like macroeconomics has anything to do with hockey!!!

 

[KINGS17]

You act like macroeconomics has anything to do with hockey!!!

I should bury my head in the sand, or somewhere else, as others do.

 

[YP44]

Delete

 

[Captain Mittens*]

I should bury my head in the sand, or somewhere else, as others do.

Just bury your head in the sand and wait for your ****ing prom!!

 

[YP44]

You act like macroeconomics has anything to do with hockey!!!

I am sick of the daily updates but he is right that it will have a huge impact on the cap, and what teams cannot do.
I worry for the jets again. All salaries are in USD but for canadian clubs the revenue is in CDN. So their $7M actually costs Around $9M!! It is fair and the only way to do things, but I think it is important to be aware of it.
It also attracts players to Canada when the CDN dollar is in the crapper as the players get paid the same but their expenses are less compared to earnings. It is believed this is why Giordano's hit is <$7M....I think it's because he is old and that deal will hurt at the end.

 

[deeshamrock]

The loonie continues to fall.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ts-warn-of-further-corrosion/article28030385/

I will say it again. The Kane and Toews contracts are not valid comps for any player in the NHL today. Stan Bowman thought the salary cap would be up around $80M next season. That simply will not be the case. The cap will not grow much, if at all.

No, they're not in reality but if you're the player's agent who is in negotiations, they'll use that. LIke Taresenko's 7.5 I'm guessing is where elite young wingers/forwards in the position he will want, and skip the bridge deal. That contract handcuffed the Blues a bit, as will the others that get signed. That's still to high, given the other 20 odd contracts that fill out the roster

Until some elite player signs for less and that becomes the 'norm' for that position, it won't change and is an issue, esp with the CAP hovering at 71 M.
The player's are in the driver's seat, as much as the GM's want to say no, they don't want to risk losing their star player.