Coach Discussion: Warsofsky

[TheBeard]

But PIT drafted top 2 4 years running. And Quebec became the COL dynasty, so...

Pitts was basically given Sidney coming off a lockout as a promise to Mario for buying the team.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Only three teams in NHL history have ever drafted first overall 3 years running. Quebec in the late 80s, who ended up moving 5 years later, and Edmonton, who only still has RNH to show for them. I’d rather not be the third.

Do you seriously think that SJ, with Celebrini/Schaefer/McKenna, would endure a fate even remotely similar to Edmonton with Hall/RNH/Yak?

 

[TheBeard]

Do you seriously think that SJ, with Celebrini/Schaefer/McKenna, would endure a fate even remotely similar to Edmonton with Hall/RNH/Yak?

Who knows? Edmonton also had 4 in 6 and one of those non was Leon at 3 and they still can’t win a cup.

 

[Cas]

Who knows? Edmonton also had 4 in 6 and one of those non was Leon at 3 and they still can’t win a cup.

Winning a Cup also requires a lot of luck. If we turn into the Oilers - a now perennial playoff team - we should be happy.

 

[TheBeard]

Winning a Cup also requires a lot of luck. If we turn into the Oilers - a now perennial playoff team - we should be happy.

Sure. If we end up with 2 of the 3 best players on the planet including one who may already be top ten all-time that would be lovely, although if we go through another run of being favorites and not succeed I don’t think I could handle it.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think as much as Sharks are a bad team right now, I would dare to argue that at this point of the season it has become more of a mental thing. It repeats itself over and over again even though they can have a good game or a lead in 3rd period. The good news is that they can look good at games, but they can't finish them.
Young guys are trying to fight through by showing progress, but they can't catch a single break and when things look good for a hot minute, it goes south the next minute. It's kinda unfortunate, I hope this season goes out as an clear exception in Celebrini era.
I'm hopeful things are going to change next year. Celebrini can be the ''captain'' next year even without the C letter necessary. There is going to be a fresh squad (hopefully), a season to look for (0-0 situation), Celebrini/Smith will be one season wiser and better and rest of the group locked and ready to go!

 

[Cas]

I think as much as Sharks are a bad team right now, I would dare to argue that at this point of the season it has become more of a mental thing. It repeats itself over and over again even though they can have a good game or a lead in 3rd period. The good news is that they can look good at games, but they can't finish them.
Young guys are trying to fight through by showing progress, but they can't catch a single break and when things look good for a hot minute, it goes south the next minute. It's kinda unfortunate, I hope this season goes out as an clear exception in Celebrini era.
I'm hopeful things are going to change next year. Celebrini can be the ''captain'' next year even without the C letter necessary. There is going to be a fresh squad (hopefully), a season to look for (0-0 situation), Celebrini/Smith will be one season wiser and better and rest of the group locked and ready to go!

I mean, things go south really fast for this team because they're bereft of talent. At least a quarter, maybe a third, of the team iced every game does not belong in the NHL at all, and almost everyone else is playing at least one line too high.

 

[coooldude]

Pitts was basically given Sidney coming off a lockout as a promise to Mario for buying the team.

You deflected from my point by sharing a conspiracy theory.

I hope we don't pick top 3 next year and I'm positive Grier doesn't want that (he was hoping we'd finish around 6-8 worst this year) but if we somehow are still in the bottom, we take the pick and try again in 2027.

 

[TheBeard]

You deflected from my point by sharing a conspiracy theory.

I hope we don't pick top 3 next year and I'm positive Grier doesn't want that (he was hoping we'd finish around 6-8 worst this year) but if we somehow are still in the bottom, we take the pick and try again in 2027.

Oh no doubt. However, i would be very concerned about the team if Grier attempts to make the team better and they end up just as bad. That would mean either no one took the next step (like Bedard) or Askarov struggled.

I mean, things go south really fast for this team because they're bereft of talent. At least a quarter, maybe a third, of the team iced every game does not belong in the NHL at all, and almost everyone else is playing at least one line too high.

I think it's less about talent and more about leadership. When your coach is a rookie and your best players are 21 and under there's a major leadership problem. That's why when things start to go bad the team just looks like the keystone cops

 

[Cas]

I think it's less about talent and more about leadership. When your coach is a rookie and your best players are 21 and under there's a major leadership problem. That's why when things start to go bad the team just looks like the keystone cops

I think having a bunch of AHL filler in the lineup every night is a much more likely contributor to our plight than an undefinable leadership problem. We suck because we're playing guys like Goodrow, Kunin, Dellandrea, Grundstrom, Sturm, Ferraro, Rutta, Vlasic, Thrun, and Georgiev in large numbers every night.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I mean, things go south really fast for this team because they're bereft of talent. At least a quarter, maybe a third, of the team iced every game does not belong in the NHL at all, and almost everyone else is playing at least one line too high.

At this stage specifically, it's more like 50-55% of the team being iced don't belong in the NHL. Higher when you include the goalies.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

That's sort of on Mukhamadullin. Not Thrun or anyone else. Shakir has had a rough season because of the injury that sidelined him to start the season. It took him a while to get going and he hasn't done much to impact the game in a way that makes it indisputable to keep him in. Thrun isn't in Mukhamadullin's way. Shakir is in his own way on this front and a lot of it isn't under his control. Chances are that one of Walman and Ferraro (guys who are more legitimately in his way) will get dealt this offseason with the intent of having Mukhamadullin in the lineup regularly but for now, he's filling in vacant spots until they return and will likely get sent back down to help the Barracuda for their playoff run.

Either way, you don't need to be insulting to make this sort of point. There's just no need for it here.

> Shakir has had a rough season because of the injury that sidelined him to start the season. It took him a while to get going and he hasn't done much to impact the game in a way that makes it indisputable to keep him in

He did have a rough start to the season and was poor in his early return to the Barracuda. But then he got going and it was clear to my eye as soon as he got up here the first time that this is a unique player w/ clear upside. While he only has 1 point in NHL games this year, the team is vastly better on the ice w/ him than they are w/ Thrun. Fenwick is at 49% w/ Shakir and 40% w/ Thrun. Mukhamudllin has an incredibly long reach which allows him to disrupt plays in the d zone even if he still makes mistakes from time to time. He also has shown a clear ability to skate the puck out of danger. He's not the most graceful skater, but he's a long strider and has even created a few entries all by himself. Something Thrun has never done. Mukhamudllin in 15 career NHL games is a +0, which is actually a pretty impressive feat on this dogshit team. Thrun is at a -36 the past two seasons combined in 98 games. Thrun also makes way more mistakes and blows way more coverage than the team propagandists would have you believe. Just watch him on the Joshua PP goal from last night.

So now that we have established that Mukhamudullin not only has more upside than Thrun, but is also the present better player(by a considerable margin), let's discuss the idea that "Thrun is not in his way".

Both players are 23 years old. Thrun does have slightly more experience, by being a 4 year college player in the Big East and 90 more NHL games, but I don't really care about that as Thrun continues to make constant mistakes and horrendous decisions, while Mukhamudullin is getting more and more comfortable. Considering both Walman and Ferraro are under contract through next year, and the sharks constantly talking about Ferraro as if he's gods gift to the sport, I choose to believe that he will not be traded, nor do I think he has much, if any, value. Walman is 28, but on the other hand, he's the only clear cut top 4 caliber D in the organization right now, so parting ways w/ him would be extremely foolish. This leaves 1 LHD spot open, which is, you guessed it, a battle between Thrun and Mukhamudullin. As soon as Ruuta comes back and they have 3 RHD's to ice, I can pretty much guarantee you it will be Mukhamudllin either going back down to the Barracuda or Mukhamudullin sitting in the press box in favor of Thrun, which is a huge mistake. This will be another example of Thrun "taking a spot from someone w/ more promise" who is actually the same age as him and a better current player, w/ more upside.

As far as insulting, I have not insulted you once. Merely disagreed. I have only insulted certain players and their on-ice play, because they certainly deserve it.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

I'd also like to point out that in last night game, the worst pair was Ferraro/Thompson. Mukhamudullin and Liljegren were miles better than them. Thrun actually had a good game w/ Walman(mostly thanks to Walman playing an incredible defensive game outside of the dumb penalty he took) but he had his usual Oh Henry! moment on the Joshua PP goal. I would like to continue to see the Mukhamudllin/Liljegren pair for at least 5 or so games. I still think Liljegren has talent and getting him away from the black hole of Ferraro is needed for evaluation. Unfortunately, the coach does not seem to have this vision.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Ezpz said:
Who are the tall Russian/Belarussian players in this draft? A ton of them are breaking out in the NHL now. Voronkov, Marchenko, Protas, etc.

But no one with first round talent. Cause those ones bust like Kostin, Mukhamudallan and Alexeyev.

So tall under the radar third-four round picks only.

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There are mysteries in the NHL universe that I do not understand.

1. Why Canadiens fan think Kostin and Muk are bust?

2. Why do hockey Fans in the front row at hockey games pounding on the glass? What does this excatly do?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

> Shakir has had a rough season because of the injury that sidelined him to start the season. It took him a while to get going and he hasn't done much to impact the game in a way that makes it indisputable to keep him in

He did have a rough start to the season and was poor in his early return to the Barracuda. But then he got going and it was clear to my eye as soon as he got up here the first time that this is a unique player w/ clear upside. While he only has 1 point in NHL games this year, the team is vastly better on the ice w/ him than they are w/ Thrun. Fenwick is at 49% w/ Shakir and 40% w/ Thrun. Mukhamudllin has an incredibly long reach which allows him to disrupt plays in the d zone even if he still makes mistakes from time to time. He also has shown a clear ability to skate the puck out of danger. He's not the most graceful skater, but he's a long strider and has even created a few entries all by himself. Something Thrun has never done. Mukhamudllin in 15 career NHL games is a +0, which is actually a pretty impressive feat on this dogshit team. Thrun is at a -36 the past two seasons combined in 98 games. Thrun also makes way more mistakes and blows way more coverage than the team propagandists would have you believe. Just watch him on the Joshua PP goal from last night.

So now that we have established that Mukhamudullin not only has more upside than Thrun, but is also the present better player(by a considerable margin), let's discuss the idea that "Thrun is not in his way".

Both players are 23 years old. Thrun does have slightly more experience, by being a 4 year college player in the Big East and 90 more NHL games, but I don't really care about that as Thrun continues to make constant mistakes and horrendous decisions, while Mukhamudullin is getting more and more comfortable. Considering both Walman and Ferraro are under contract through next year, and the sharks constantly talking about Ferraro as if he's gods gift to the sport, I choose to believe that he will not be traded, nor do I think he has much, if any, value. Walman is 28, but on the other hand, he's the only clear cut top 4 caliber D in the organization right now, so parting ways w/ him would be extremely foolish. This leaves 1 LHD spot open, which is, you guessed it, a battle between Thrun and Mukhamudullin. As soon as Ruuta comes back and they have 3 RHD's to ice, I can pretty much guarantee you it will be Mukhamudllin either going back down to the Barracuda or Mukhamudullin sitting in the press box in favor of Thrun, which is a huge mistake. This will be another example of Thrun "taking a spot from someone w/ more promise" who is actually the same age as him and a better current player, w/ more upside.

As far as insulting, I have not insulted you once. Merely disagreed. I have only insulted certain players and their on-ice play, because they certainly deserve it.

Team propagandists? Muk is a young player deserving of more opportunity. Moving Thrun up to replace Ceci is the team keeping Thrun out of Mukhamadullin's way in his opportunity. Walman and anyone the team uses in the top pairing role has and will continue to get shelled the rest of the season. That's not where you want to throw Mukhamadullin after getting called up. Thrun is being thrown to the wolves while Rutta is out after Ceci got dealt. Chances are they want to send Mukhamadullin down for the AHL playoff run. You can agree or disagree with that development strategy if you like but I don't think that plan is in place because Thrun is playing great in the eyes of the coach. Thrun is just next man in the filler line.

As for Ferraro, I doubt Grier's view of him is as dire as you like to picture it. Ferraro was a three year player at 23 years old. RFA's in that position are typically either invested into long term covering UFA years or given a bridge contract before giving term to cover UFA years. Grier didn't care about covering UFA years at all with him. I would like to trade Ferraro and I think eventually Grier will too. They can get decent value out of Ferraro next month or at the draft or after free agency day when they can retain on a contract.

As for the last bit, you don't have to insult me to be insulting. And no, nothing about anyone's play or coaching performance has deserved it plus it just isn't constructive. It's needlessly hostile in rhetoric.

 

[Cas]

Ezpz said:
Who are the tall Russian/Belarussian players in this draft? A ton of them are breaking out in the NHL now. Voronkov, Marchenko, Protas, etc.

But no one with first round talent. Cause those ones bust like Kostin, Mukhamudallan and Alexeyev.

So tall under the radar third-four round picks only.

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There are mysteries in the NHL universe that I do not understand.

1. Why Canadiens fan think Kostin and Muk are bust?

2. Why do hockey Fans in the front row at hockey games pounding on the glass? What does this excatly do?

Kostin is just not good. He's big and theoretically has some offensive skills, but he doesn't know how to use them and at his age, he's a finished product. He's just a tweener, not good enough for the NHL.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Kostin is just not good. He's big and theoretically has some offensive skills, but he doesn't know how to use them and at his age, he's a finished product. He's just a tweener, not good enough for the NHL.

Agreed on Kostin, but Muk, a bust already?