Am I off my meds or does anyone else think that Gagner (50% retained) for a 2017 4th (turns to 3rd if LA reaches cup final and Gagner plays in 50% of playoff games) is worthwhile?
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Ollie Weeks
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Ya not sure if bringing him would result in exposing anyone on waivers or what. Could be a deterrent
Would Sutter play a soft offensive center?
I say go for Buff/E.Staal!!!!
Lombardi's got the cap space.
Raccoon Jesus
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Would Sutter play a soft offensive center?
I say go for Buff/E.Staal!!!!
I know you're half-joking but DL has a tough decision to make--go all in this year and empty the cupboards, or not and try to sustain a bit longer with prospects. Personally, I don't know how I feel about any of it, I keep wavering.
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gnarls barkley
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3 in 5, it's all or nothing
KingsFan7824
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There's nothing to save it for at this point. Would you rather win 2 Cups in 2 years, or 2 Cups in say 8 years? You take any Cup whenever, but now that we have the choice as fans to pick between 3 in 5 or 4 in 8, give me the 3rd one first, and then worry about getting that 4th one.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
The reason I say that though is because consider what it would take to get guys like Buff--we're already vacant a first, consider saying goodbye to some combination of a 2nd, 3rd, Kempe, Zykov, Gravel, Dergachyov, Weal, can't even think of what's left
Toffoli/Pearson have this year and next year on their current contracts.... Doughty is about 2 years out from that...
Add to that Gaborik/Brown's contracts, in 2 years Lombardi may have a lot of dead cap space... then there's the Lucic contract if he's resigned.... how will that look in a couple years? Does it turn into Brown 2.0?
Can Lombardi get out from under any of these contracts?
2 years out it's looking like it will be getting difficult to ice a competitive team, or at least one competing for the Cup.
I say do what ever possible for the next 2 years... including signing Buff to a stupid contract then letting an expansion team take it over the next year.
The reason I say that though is because consider what it would take to get guys like Buff--we're already vacant a first, consider saying goodbye to some combination of a 2nd, 3rd, Kempe, Zykov, Gravel, Dergachyov, Weal, can't even think of what's left
Yeah that sucks... but in 2 years the Kings may already be ****ed with 10M in Brown/Graborik if they lose a step from where they are now.
The other side would be if some of the young guys could come up in time to extend the window like Toffoli/Pearson did, while the Kings wait for contracts to expire.
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The reason I say that though is because consider what it would take to get guys like Buff--we're already vacant a first, consider saying goodbye to some combination of a 2nd, 3rd, Kempe, Zykov, Gravel, Dergachyov, Weal, can't even think of what's left
If they were on the outside looking in, or not looking like they had the drive for a 2nd year in a row, that's one thing. Then you don't trade more of the future. The whole point is the Cup though, not to maybe be better 3 or 4 years from now. At least not in 2016 when they've already won it twice. In 2011, maybe it's not all in, because there are still mountains to climb. 5 years ago, a single win in a 1st round series was a huge deal. Today, anything less than a Cup is a downer. Not in an every team has a chance to win the Cup every year sort of way, but in a realistic goal sort of way. That comes around maybe once in a lifetime as a fan of a given team. That's not a normal place to be as a fan.
Everything Lombardi did from 2006 to 2012 has been finished. Now you want to live in that house.
It's most likely never going to be this good to be a Kings fan again, no matter what they do. The Canadiens, Islanders, Oilers, Penguins, Red Wings, Devils, Avs, Stars, none of them have had it as good as they did when they had it good. The Hawks and Kings will most likely be in that same boat.
Whatever the Kings have had that has gotten them 2 Cups is a rare thing. The right mix of players, all at the right time, all doing the right thing, getting the right breaks, etc. 8, 9, 10 years from now, the Kings might win another Cup. When will the Kings have a decent chance to win 3 in 5 again though? Look how difficult to 2nd one was. Probably never. Or at the very least, not for a long time.
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With the Kings current lineup and situation there is no choice but to be all in. What's the point of developing young players like Kempe etc. instead of using them as trade bait for an immediate cup run? By the time our prospects are ready to play in the NHL (3-4 years from now), we wont be competitive. I think it makes sense to trade our picks and prospects now, try to win the cup either this year or next, and do a proper rebuild 4 years from now by trading vets that are still valuable then (Carter, Kopitar or Doughty), restock, and repeat.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Easy to say all in, but what does Lombardi have left to trade? Ask yourself if you were the Canes or Jets, would a package of Kempe, Weal, and a second land Staal or Byfuglien? I don't know. It's sad, but that's all the Kings got now.
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I would say lots. The d on the farm is stacked, Weal, Clifford, kids like Amadio or Auger. I'd say other teams would enjoy having those guys in the organization especially for guys like Buff and Staal who are going to walk anyways.
I'm thinking win now but be realistic about it. I don't want to give up the few assets left for a rental.
We can contend in 2017 too. We should save something for then in case we can use prospects/picks for something more than a rental at that future trade deadline.
We can contend in 2017 too. We should save something for then in case we can use prospects/picks for something more than a rental at that future trade deadline.
No way.
We gotta load up at the deadline. Ideally, a 3-4 dman and a third line center who is like Yannic Perreault, Jarret Stoll, or Poe Dameron.
Even if we completely ignore the even year thing, Chicago is down a little this year. They'll be stronger next year. We need to strike while the iron is hot.
Who should we be targeting on Columbus?
Raccoon Jesus
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I don't disagree with any of you guys, I'm just surprised so many of you have come around to that line of thinking, heh.
I think this is it. This is the year (which means it's probably not). Mayyyybe next year too, but I don't think we're going to be very good (at least not a 'true' contender) after that for a while.
well if the option is let the guy walk or get assets for him, yeah, but I agree I'm not sure we even have the assets to give.
Poe Dameron plz
I think this is it. This is the year (which means it's probably not
). Mayyyybe next year too, but I don't think we're going to be very good (at least not a 'true' contender) after that for a while.well if the option is let the guy walk or get assets for him, yeah, but I agree I'm not sure we even have the assets to give.
Poe Dameron plz
jace29
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What would it take to get Big Buff realistically? depending on the price, I would say we should get him as a pure rental.
Weal + Gravel + 3rd? If that would work I'd say do it.
Weal + Gravel + 3rd? If that would work I'd say do it.
kingsfan28
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Would Staal thrive as a 3rd line center, because that's what he'd be. We'd be trading high end young talent for a very expensive 3rd center rental. If we could still do something without giving up Kempe, who's our best prospect then you might consider it. Lombardi is in a very tough position, go all in again and pick up the pieces next season, or just go for it with what we have and grab a cheap center or defenseman.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Pretty sure that's not going to get it done. You're talking about a top pairing defenseman that can score. Sekera netted a first and McKeown, which is effectively a second. And Sekera is not even a difference maker.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I think his price is going to get jacked sky high by other contenders. ESPECIALLY the softer teams like MTL.
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The Kings don't have the assets required to land Byfuglien or E. Staal. Get used to that idea. That is not unless you are willing to part with some of the following: Pearson, King, or Martinez.
In terms of prospects and/or picks other teams have much more of value to offer.
In terms of prospects and/or picks other teams have much more of value to offer.
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