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I agree it would be great to get a #4D but the price it will cost to get one at the deadline will be insane, and no team will take B prospects and low picks for one that is signed to a decent contract, or a game changer on an expiring contract.

How I see the D is that we have Doughty on the first pair that is a RH shot and Mcbain on the 3rd that is also a RH shot, so those two spots are set in stone (pretty much) It would be great to partner DD with Muzz again and have a true solid consistent first pair D. Martinez could play the off side on the 2nd pair but I'm not sure I would trust him with McNabb who still has lapses. so that leaves a Mc/Mc 3rd pair that I would not be comfortable with at all, and have DL trying to find a 2nd pair D (preferably RH) at the most expensive time of year where everyone is looking for "that guy" will be hard enough with the cap crunch.

I don't see DL going out and overpaying a rental again, or getting another D who has term with the limited cap space going forward. I see him finding a 3rd pair stable defensive minded guy that can clear the front of the net and put some good minutes in on the PK with an expiring contract. Then have the top 2 pairs stay together. Keep Forbort as the extra guy and sacrifice erhoff to the hockey gods (or some team that is dumb enough to take him back in a trade)
 
KINGS17 said:
The Kings don't have the assets required to land Byfuglien or E. Staal. Get used to that idea. That is not unless you are willing to part with some of the following: Pearson, King, or Martinez.

In terms of prospects and/or picks other teams have much more of value to offer.
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I think in a vacuum they do as they're both UFA, but I just think other teams will be both more desperate and have better assets to give up (like a 1st). But that may be what you meant, anyway.

I've just wanted Buff on this team forever. Can't imagine how intimidating it would be to have to face Byfuglien, Lucic, and Brown all on the same team...plus a bunch of other giants in Muzzin, Greene, Kopitar, Carter, etc.

But you're absolutely right in that he fills a need for everyone. All the other top teams will be after the exact same things, top-4 D and center depth.

I know GMs have talked about how hard it is to trade right now and how quiet it is on the trade front, but I think we'll actually see some mega-trades this year, it'll just start later than usual since everyone thinks they're in.
 
dman3474 said:
I agree it would be great to get a #4D but the price it will cost to get one at the deadline will be insane, and no team will take B prospects and low picks for one that is signed to a decent contract, or a game changer on an expiring contract.

How I see the D is that we have Doughty on the first pair that is a RH shot and Mcbain on the 3rd that is also a RH shot, so those two spots are set in stone (pretty much) It would be great to partner DD with Muzz again and have a true solid consistent first pair D. Martinez could play the off side on the 2nd pair but I'm not sure I would trust him with McNabb who still has lapses. so that leaves a Mc/Mc 3rd pair that I would not be comfortable with at all, and have DL trying to find a 2nd pair D (preferably RH) at the most expensive time of year where everyone is looking for "that guy" will be hard enough with the cap crunch.

I don't see DL going out and overpaying a rental again, or getting another D who has term with the limited cap space going forward. I see him finding a 3rd pair stable defensive minded guy that can clear the front of the net and put some good minutes in on the PK with an expiring contract. Then have the top 2 pairs stay together. Keep Forbort as the extra guy and sacrifice erhoff to the hockey gods (or some team that is dumb enough to take him back in a trade)
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When many of us thought our D was set back in the day, DL brought in Mitchell. When we thought our D was good, he brought in Regehr.

D was the strength of our cup teams

2012
Scuderi(he was good back then)/Doughty.
Voynov/Mitchell
Greene (he was good back then)/ AMart

2014
Doughty/Muzzin
Mitchell/Voynov
Jazz Hands/Regehr

DL builds from the net out. I would be shocked if we didn't add at least a D man
 
dman3474 said:
I agree it would be great to get a #4D but the price it will cost to get one at the deadline will be insane, and no team will take B prospects and low picks for one that is signed to a decent contract, or a game changer on an expiring contract.

How I see the D is that we have Doughty on the first pair that is a RH shot and Mcbain on the 3rd that is also a RH shot, so those two spots are set in stone (pretty much) It would be great to partner DD with Muzz again and have a true solid consistent first pair D. Martinez could play the off side on the 2nd pair but I'm not sure I would trust him with McNabb who still has lapses. so that leaves a Mc/Mc 3rd pair that I would not be comfortable with at all, and have DL trying to find a 2nd pair D (preferably RH) at the most expensive time of year where everyone is looking for "that guy" will be hard enough with the cap crunch.

I don't see DL going out and overpaying a rental again, or getting another D who has term with the limited cap space going forward. I see him finding a 3rd pair stable defensive minded guy that can clear the front of the net and put some good minutes in on the PK with an expiring contract. Then have the top 2 pairs stay together. Keep Forbort as the extra guy and sacrifice erhoff to the hockey gods (or some team that is dumb enough to take him back in a trade)
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This could very well happen. I think the Kings will be trying to follow the same recipe Chicago used last season with Keith and Seabrook. That means huge minutes for Doughty and big minutes for Muzzin in the playoffs.

Sutter will have to pick his spots with the remaining defensemen.
 
Captain Mittens said:
When many of us thought our D was set back in the day, DL brought in Mitchell. When we thought our D was good, he brought in Regehr.

D was the strength of our cup teams

2012
Scuderi(he was good back then)/Doughty.
Voynov/Mitchell
Greene (he was good back then)/ AMart

2014
Doughty/Muzzin
Mitchell/Voynov
Jazz Hands/Regehr

DL builds from the net out. I would be shocked if we didn't add at least a D man
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I would personally be shocked if we didn't add a top-4 d-man, not just a depth option. Unless they're really betting on McNabb getting stronger throughout the year (which he mostly has so far).
 
One leg up the Kings have on a lot of the other contenders is with the cap space they don't necessarily need the team to retain 50% of the contract. For a non salary cap owner that could be 600k-1,000k in real money. If the packages are similar they may take the one that costs them less.

A team like TO that's already retaining salary on 2 players may have other players they wish to move, but teams don't have the cap space.

The Kings have plenty to trade... just the people that say otherwise are unwilling to look at options they're attached to. :naughty:

No reason to get a 3rd pairing D, just call up Schultz.


Then Lombardi's known to pull things out of left field... it'll be interesting to see what he pulls off.
 
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We all know Dean's gonna swing a trade. Outside of Mr. Full NMC in EDM, they have all been grand slams (gotta throw in a baseball analogy for Dean).
 
Reclamation Project said:
We all know Dean's gonna swing a trade. Outside of Mr. Full NMC in EDM, they have all been grand slams (gotta throw in a baseball analogy for Dean).
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I really don't get the full NMC in EDM... it's like what you're going to get traded to CBJ? Is that any worse? :shakehead
 
dman3474 said:
I agree it would be great to get a #4D but the price it will cost to get one at the deadline will be insane, and no team will take B prospects and low picks for one that is signed to a decent contract, or a game changer on an expiring contract.

How I see the D is that we have Doughty on the first pair that is a RH shot and Mcbain on the 3rd that is also a RH shot, so those two spots are set in stone (pretty much) It would be great to partner DD with Muzz again and have a true solid consistent first pair D. Martinez could play the off side on the 2nd pair but I'm not sure I would trust him with McNabb who still has lapses. so that leaves a Mc/Mc 3rd pair that I would not be comfortable with at all, and have DL trying to find a 2nd pair D (preferably RH) at the most expensive time of year where everyone is looking for "that guy" will be hard enough with the cap crunch.

I don't see DL going out and overpaying a rental again, or getting another D who has term with the limited cap space going forward. I see him finding a 3rd pair stable defensive minded guy that can clear the front of the net and put some good minutes in on the PK with an expiring contract. Then have the top 2 pairs stay together. Keep Forbort as the extra guy and sacrifice erhoff to the hockey gods (or some team that is dumb enough to take him back in a trade)
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The last 5 games Forbort has played, there hasn't been strict pairs. Forbort has not played with McBain or Ehrhoff either. Forbort has played with only Doughty and Martinez. McNabb only plays with Doughty. Muzzin plays with Martinez and either Ehrhoff/McBain. Ehrhoff/McBain only play with Muzzin. This is all 5 on 5. But the point is that DS isn't boxed into pairs. Watch for this when watching! So when you say you're not sure who DS would trust with Martinez instead of Muzzin, it's been Forbort.
 
efhank said:
The last 5 games Forbort has played, there hasn't been strict pairs. Forbort has not played with McBain or Ehrhoff either. Forbort has played with only Doughty and Martinez. McNabb only plays with Doughty. Muzzin plays with Martinez and either Ehrhoff/McBain. Ehrhoff/McBain only play with Muzzin. This is all 5 on 5. But the point is that DS isn't boxed into pairs. Watch for this when watching! So when you say you're not sure who DS would trust with Martinez instead of Muzzin, it's been Forbort.
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I think Sutter is already testing potential pairings he might use in the playoffs while playing Doughty, Muzzin, and Martinez a lot of minutes.
 
KINGS17 said:
This could very well happen. I think the Kings will be trying to follow the same recipe Chicago used last season with Keith and Seabrook. That means huge minutes for Doughty and big minutes for Muzzin in the playoffs.

Sutter will have to pick his spots with the remaining defensemen.
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Chicago didn't just "pick their spots" with their remaining D. Hjlalmersonn and Oduya each played more than 25 minutes a game. They basically played 4 D after Rosival got hurt. Timmonen didn't play much. So, there's 120 minutes of D time in a game. Muzz and DD take 60, there's still 60 left. If the remaining 4 are even, that's 15 minutes each. McNabb would get 25 and Martinez 25 to be like Chicago. The other two guys would split 10 minutes. Are McNabb and Martinez ready for 25 minutes per game in the playoffs? I don't think so. I don't think the Kings could pull off what Chicago did at all. Imo
 
efhank said:
Chicago didn't just "pick their spots" with their remaining D. Hjlalmersonn and Oduya each played more than 25 minutes a game. They basically played 4 D after Rosival got hurt. Timmonen didn't play much. So, there's 120 minutes of D time in a game. Muzz and DD take 60, there's still 60 left. If the remaining 4 are even, that's 15 minutes each. McNabb would get 25 and Martinez 25 to be like Chicago. The other two guys would split 10 minutes. Are McNabb and Martinez ready for 25 minutes per game in the playoffs? I don't think so. I don't think the Kings could pull off what Chicago did at all. Imo
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Is Hjlalmersonn really that much better than Martinez? Is Oduya really that much better than an ever improving McNabb? I'm not so sure. Chicago didn't let Oduya play against the other team's top line when they could help it. They made sure they had either Keith or Seabrook, or both at critical junctures of the game, at all times.

I would be fine with Dean picking up a 4-5 defenseman that can eat some minutes, but I will be surprised if he can pull off a trade for a player like Byfuglien. Other teams that are also contenders have more attractive packages to offer.
 
KINGS17 said:
Is Hjlalmersonn really that much better than Martinez? Is Oduya really that much better than an ever improving McNabb? I'm not so sure. Chicago didn't let Oduya play against the other team's top line when they could help it. They made sure they had either Keith or Seabrook, or both at critical junctures of the game, at all times.

I would be fine with Dean picking up a 4-5 defenseman that can eat some minutes, but I will be surprised if he can pull off a trade for a player like Byfuglien. Other teams that are also contenders have more attractive packages to offer.
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I agree with your points. I can see the Kings even trying the Chicago thing if need be. I just don't think it will work. Chicago got lucky!!
 
efhank said:
I agree with your points. I can see the Kings even trying the Chicago thing if need be. I just don't think it will work. Chicago got lucky!!
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I agree with you regarding Chicago getting by with that strategy. They just didn't play anyone in the playoffs that tried to turn Keith into hamburger. The Kings would have been dumping it into his corner and hitting him at every opportunity.

Keith might have been able to take it, because he had a great post-season, but he would have had a tougher assignment against a team like the Kings.
 
KINGS17 said:
Is Hjlalmersonn really that much better than Martinez? Is Oduya really that much better than an ever improving McNabb? I'm not so sure. Chicago didn't let Oduya play against the other team's top line when they could help it. They made sure they had either Keith or Seabrook, or both at critical junctures of the game, at all times.

I would be fine with Dean picking up a 4-5 defenseman that can eat some minutes, but I will be surprised if he can pull off a trade for a player like Byfuglien. Other teams that are also contenders have more attractive packages to offer.
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Keith/Seabrook is basically the equivalent of Doughty/Muzzin (even though pairings are shuffled around now).

Hjalmarsson is one of the most legit shutdown D in the league, I'd say he's at the very least a lot more consistent on that side of things than AMart - less offensive potential by far though.

and Oduya is pretty much Matt Greene if that tells you anything about why he was sheltered.
 
Knowing Lombardi he will make a cheap deal to bring in a veteran D most likely soon to be UFA.

That's his style, especially with Forbort waiting in the wings and Greene back next year, he probably won't take on a player with term. Below is how next year will play out possibly so adding another D with term is unlikely.

Doughty-McNabb
Muzzin-Martinez
Greene-Forbort
 
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