2015-2016 Roster Talk: East Coast Thinks We Suck Edition(MOD WARNING) post# 107

[Kingmacer]

Lucic Kopi TT
Pears Carts Gabby
King Lewis brown
MM Shore Nolan
Cliff

Hammy DD
Muzz Voynov
McNabb Marty
DF
Greene/Mcbain/Erhoff equals Voynov ( he screwed us )
Hamonic for Weal Zykov 2017 1st 2016 2nd

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I don't think Pearson would be moved either, he produces at the same clip as Lucic and is much cheaper. Others are far more likely to be moved.

It won't happen during the season, though. Clifford probably isn't going to be back until after the deadline so it won't be an issue this year. If there is a trade it's probably going to be Clifford (or Nolan). King only has one year after this left on his deal which diminishes his value, so trading him doesn't make sense. Also, don't forget Lewis' deal is up as well. I think the Kings absolutely want to retain him and will do everything they can to, but that's a possible roster spot even if it's unlikely.

The Kings can trade Weal, go with the status quo for a year, then make a decision on King/Mersch/Clifford/Nolan/Andy.

Lucic does alot more then just production He plays a lot more physical then Pearson and for the most part plays in more critical spots. This makes him more valuable then Pearson imo With Lucic Pearson King mersch clifford we can't play 5 lws one is going Who is far more likely ?

 

[cyclones22]

Lucic does alot more then just production He plays a lot more physical then Pearson and for the most part plays in more critical spots. This makes him more valuable then Pearson imo With Lucic Pearson King mersch clifford we can't play 5 lws one is going Who is far more likely ?

Yep, Lucic chasing the puck in deep puts a lot of pressure on defensemen to give the puck up sooner than they'd like, which in turn helps the Kings forecheck and possession game. That and he beats dudes up.

 

[Herby]

Every single season Clifford's name is thrown around in the rumor mill. He just signed a five year deal. When will it end?

Anyways, I wouldn't be shocked if he's put on LTIR in the next few weeks. He looks nowhere near returning any time soon. Kings don't really need the space though.

Johnson was traded right after signing.

The fact is Clifford makes a lot of money for a 4th line forward who contributes nothing offensively and isn't exactly a defensive force. The Kings are a cap team and if Mersch is contributing more at half the cap hit then it is a no brainer. Our bottom six right now looks as solid and balanced as it has in quite awhile, if you bring back Clifford and replace Mersch the team is weaker and more expensive.

 

[theMajor]

Yep, Lucic chasing the puck in deep puts a lot of pressure on defensemen to give the puck up sooner than they'd like, which in turn helps the Kings forecheck and possession game. That and he beats dudes up.

not only that, he wins board battles and knows how to hang on to the puck. before we got him I wasnt sure about him as a player but hes shown he's got the juice. he's like a stronger, faster, smarter version of Dwight King and with better hands. heck of a player

 

[Reclamation Project]

Johnson was an extremely specific scenario. Kings don't suck right now.

 

[lumbergh]

I still don't see how Lucic gets signed once the Kopitar extension gets done. Why would one move Pearson if Lucic won't be here next season?

 

[KingsOfCali25]

The only winger that might get traded this year would be Zykov. And that would be to get a top4 RHD. The Kings won't be able to move Brown/Gaborik in the offseason...which would be the end to Lucic, so the Kings would probably run with Pearson, Mersch, King, Clifford on LW next year. Could move any winger to any line.

Pearson--Kopitar--Toffoli
Mersch--Carter--Gaborik
King--Shore--Brown
Clifford--Lewis--Nolan

 

[KINGS17]

I agree with those that think Pearson is the new Justin Williams. Plug him in on any line and watch its energy level increase and the other two forwards seem to get going again.

Pearson is a valuable asset at a bargain price.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I agree. Youth, speed, skill and a bargain price. On a cap team, you keep those.


That lundqvist thread made me look at Quick's stats from game 4 on. .929 save %. .923 overall.

 

[Fishhead]

Lucic does alot more then just production He plays a lot more physical then Pearson and for the most part plays in more critical spots. This makes him more valuable then Pearson imo With Lucic Pearson King mersch clifford we can't play 5 lws one is going Who is far more likely ?

Lucic is undoubtedly more valuable, but is he $4M+ more valuable? That's a lot of coin for that extra stuff.

It's hard to say what's going to happen, so much hinges on the Kopitar contract.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Lucic is undoubtedly more valuable, but is he $4M+ more valuable? That's a lot of coin for that extra stuff.

It's hard to say what's going to happen, so much hinges on the Kopitar contract.

As i stated when i suggest i would be ok trading pearson we would have to have lucic pretty much resigned. To answer your question yes i think he is worth that much more then pearson, I think people are underestimating how valuable hits and physical play is. However Pearson is not going to be that much cheaper for long either. As much as people hate it King plays as much time as pearson and i think management trusts King more then pearson. However i do agree Kopitars contract will have influence as to what happens in the off season.

 

[KINGS17]

Lucic is undoubtedly more valuable, but is he $4M+ more valuable? That's a lot of coin for that extra stuff.

It's hard to say what's going to happen, so much hinges on the Kopitar contract.

I don't think the Kings will be able to afford Lucic, but the more I have got to see him play, the more I realize that he flat out scares the crap out of some players in the NHL.

That is an intangible that is worth a little extra something. Pearson wouldn't be a guy I would move though to make room for Lucic.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I don't think the Kings will be able to afford Lucic, but the more I have got to see him play, the more I realize that he flat out scares the crap out of some players in the NHL.

That is an intangible that is worth a little extra something. Pearson wouldn't be a guy I would move though to make room for Lucic.

Brown is the guy you ideally move for Lucic, but that's another can of worms.

 

[KINGS17]

Brown is the guy you ideally move for Lucic, but that's another can of worms.

Agree, and the real cost is the retained cap hit and the additional asset or two it would take to get it done. In the meantime, even though he is overpaid, you lose a guy that is still a very useful hockey player in the right situations in Brown, for basically nothing in return.

 

[Fishhead]

As i stated when i suggest i would be ok trading pearson we would have to have lucic pretty much resigned. To answer your question yes i think he is worth that much more then pearson, I think people are underestimating how valuable hits and physical play is. However Pearson is not going to be that much cheaper for long either. As much as people hate it King plays as much time as pearson and i think management trusts King more then pearson. However i do agree Kopitars contract will have influence as to what happens in the off season.

It's going to be difficult to sign Lucic for sure. The Kings get about 1.5M back in cap space from the MR settlement, but Ehrhoff and Enroth would have to be replaced by a guy under $1M to get close.

Remember Pearson is RFA so he's controlled somewhat. He's a heck of a bargain at 1.4M. I don't see that going over 3 on his next contract.

 

[Omni Owl]

Would rather get a legit 3C or another top 4 D than re-sign Lucic tbh, even though he's been playing well for us.

 

[go4hockey]

Lucic Kopi TT
Pears Carts Gabby
King Lewis brown
MM Shore Nolan
Cliff

Hammy DD
Muzz Voynov
McNabb Marty
DF
Greene/Mcbain/Erhoff equals Voynov ( he screwed us )
Hamonic for Weal Zykov 2017 1st 2016 2nd

The NYI would laugh at that offer for Hamonic their GM has made it clear he won't move him without getting a replacement for him. Think Muzzin and there is no chance in hell I would want us to do that as Muzz is a stud.

 

[go4hockey]

Johnson was traded right after signing.

The fact is Clifford makes a lot of money for a 4th line forward who contributes nothing offensively and isn't exactly a defensive force. The Kings are a cap team and if Mersch is contributing more at half the cap hit then it is a no brainer. Our bottom six right now looks as solid and balanced as it has in quite awhile, if you bring back Clifford and replace Mersch the team is weaker and more expensive.

I love Clifford but would have to agree with you here. I feel some of these injuries may end up improving our bottom six as it saves us some $$$ by having some of the young players step up when given the chance.

 

[Trolfoli]

Greene: love watching him smash guys, LTIR/trade

Brown: Hope he has a great playoffs that makes some GM forget how bad his regular season was. He can't play in the top 6 because he destroys offense. Brown's a 6M bot 6 winger, if he can't be moved this offseason, then hope an expansion team takes him.

Lucic: If Greene's cap hit is cleared there's money to resign Lucic, even if Brown is still on the roster. While Lucic's puck handling skill aren't great, probably from being too huge, he is big/physical and doesn't destroy offense in the top 6 while crushing people. Should be brought back.

Pearson/Toffoli don't need new contracts until after next season... neither is going anywhere... could always move Pearson to off wing if there are too many LW.

Gaborik: I'd keep him around.. he may be on the down slope, but guy still has a nice shot and can make a clean pass (see Kinger's last goal), when Pearson/Toffoli are up for new contracts look at Gaborik again.

Rental: There's probably enough cap to resign a rental or go after a UFA (Yandle) if Brown is moved.

The way it looks now is that the Kings have 2 years left before dealing with the next round of contracts after Kopitar/Lucic. Moving Brown would help keep the Kings from having to trade for a top 4 defender every year, but other then that just grab a couple of rentals and head into the playoffs. Nothing really all that stressful. Also will have the expansion draft that might help clear some capspace.

Forgot Clifford: Will probably be done by concussions before traded.. he's relatively cheap. Kings don't gain a lot from moving Clifford then replacing him with a guy making 1M.

Oh yeah... there is zero point in moving cheap productive wingers to clear cap space.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Greene: love watching him smash guys, LTIR/trade

Brown: Hope he has a great playoffs that makes some GM forget how bad his regular season was. He can't play in the top 6 because he destroys offense. Brown's a 6M bot 6 winger, if he can't be moved this offseason, then hope an expansion team takes him.

Lucic: If Greene's cap hit is cleared there's money to resign Lucic, even if Brown is still on the roster. While Lucic's puck handling skill aren't great, probably from being too huge, he is big/physical and doesn't destroy offense in the top 6 while crushing people. Should be brought back.

Pearson/Toffoli don't need new contracts until after next season... neither is going anywhere... could always move Pearson to off wing if there are too many LW.

Gaborik: I'd keep him around.. he may be on the down slope, but guy still has a nice shot and can make a clean pass (see Kinger's last goal), when Pearson/Toffoli are up for new contracts look at Gaborik again.

Rental: There's probably enough cap to resign a rental or go after a UFA (Yandle) if Brown is moved.

The way it looks now is that the Kings have 2 years left before dealing with the next round of contracts after Kopitar/Lucic. Moving Brown would help keep the Kings from having to trade for a top 4 defender every year, but other then that just grab a couple of rentals and head into the playoffs. Nothing really all that stressful. Also will have the expansion draft that might help clear some capspace.

Forgot Clifford: Will probably be done by concussions before traded.. he's relatively cheap. Kings don't gain a lot from moving Clifford then replacing him with a guy making 1M.

Oh yeah... there is zero point in moving cheap productive wingers to clear cap space.

So if you look at the money part of it...

Greene if traded/retired is 2,500,000
Clifford if traded is 1,600,000
Ehrhoff is let go is 1,500,000
Richards money drops down so you get an extra 1,550,000

You get 7,150,000 off the cap to spend on raises for the UFAs.

That's not even including the cap going up. Although I don't put much into the cap because it could be anywhere. Some people believe a 3m raise at this point but I've read/heard that GMs are thinking that if it's over a 1m raise would be a miracle.

It's looking like there might be enough money to go around for Kopitar, Lucic and the other UFAs/RFAs (Lewis, McNabb, McBain, Forbort, Enroth)

 

[Yitz]

Lucic Kopi TT
Pears Carts Gabby
King Lewis brown
MM Shore Nolan
Cliff

Hammy DD
Muzz Voynov
McNabb Marty
DF
Greene/Mcbain/Erhoff equals Voynov ( he screwed us )
Hamonic for Weal Zykov 2017 1st 2016 2nd

As a fan of the Islanders and an even bigger fan of the Kings, I can guarantee you that there is no way in hell the Kings get Hammer for Weal+Zykov+picks. Not only are you offering a team that's bursting at the seams with talented forwards a couple of weak forward prospects, but you're asking for a legit top pairing defenseman in return. If we had Hammer on the Kings, he would easily be our 2nd best defender. Furthermore, the Isles are in no hurry to trade Hammer and when they do, it will be for a young player with either top-4 defense or top-6 forward potential.

 

[funky]

There should be no talk of trading Pearson until Kempe is ready and can prove he belongs. Pearson is cheap, tenacious and produces at a .50 ppg clip while providing wheels. He can play all 4 lines .

Clifford needs to go if it's a LW that is punted. King gets a lot of hate but is heads and shoulders the better player.

If we are compiling a list of people to be traded to get rid of money

#1 Greene - he is done, we don't need him and he wastes 2.5 mil
# 2 Brown - I love him, but 5.8 is a killer
# 3 Clifford - can get the same production for cheaper
# 4 Gabby - getting older on a long term contract, let him go
# 5 ehrhoff - we don't need the money this year and he is off the books next year so who cares, depth

 

[Bandit]

Yep, Lucic chasing the puck in deep puts a lot of pressure on defensemen to give the puck up sooner than they'd like, which in turn helps the Kings forecheck and possession game. That and he beats dudes up.

Lucic also turns the puck over 2-3 times a game trying to break out of our zone. I swear he's going to cost us at least one playoff game with one of those stupid turnovers.

 

[driller1]

So if you look at the money part of it...

Greene if traded/retired is 2,500,000
Clifford if traded is 1,600,000
Ehrhoff is let go is 1,500,000
Richards money drops down so you get an extra 1,550,000

You get 7,150,000 off the cap to spend on raises for the UFAs.

That's not even including the cap going up. Although I don't put much into the cap because it could be anywhere. Some people believe a 3m raise at this point but I've read/heard that GMs are thinking that if it's over a 1m raise would be a miracle.

It's looking like there might be enough money to go around for Kopitar, Lucic and the other UFAs/RFAs (Lewis, McNabb, McBain, Forbort, Enroth)

Your math isn't quite right. If we get rid of Enroth, we still need a backup goalie and we don't have a cheap $600k option in the minors ready to come up (cough, Barto, cough). So the price for a veteran backup is not too far off from $1.5M, so we probably won't realize any savings, whether its Enroth or someone else.

We may need a slew of replacements, as McBain will probably get a raise from his minimum contract somewhere else. So Greene, McBain, and Erhoff gone would be a lot of turnover. Hopefully Forbort improves over the course of the year, but we still need 2 more cheap D to round out the 6-7 slots.