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It's already been stated by him he'd like that name but he's going to let the fans in Vegas vote on the name.
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It's already been stated by him he'd like that name but he's going to let the fans in Vegas vote on the name.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
I never had a problem with Tuebert, especially after Doughty was selected earlier.They took a swing at a big shutdown dman and it never panned out.It's pretty easy to say "WTF were they thinking" now looking back with all the other talent that developed out of that draft. I don't think anyone really saw the shift away from stay at home dmen to puck movers until years later as teams started making more of an emphasis on speed.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
The problem is by that point it wasn't a big-league shift from shutdown d-men but when was the last time a shutdown d-man was selected high in the draft and panned out?
Most of the guys who are 'shutdown' dmen at lower levels become that because they can't dominate the competition in other ways or because they became huge early. It's a huge red flag. I can't even remember the last guy to get drafted as that to stick as that. Wasn't exclusive to Teubert. I get we had a need the team was trying to fill so that's good and well, just a rare complete miscue by our staff because even joe schmoe like me could see that trend.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
I really think that was the draft that changed the approach teams started building their d corp around, guys with speed and skill moving the puck . I also think the staff got too enamored with Matt Greenes play , the way he just abused guys around the net and were looking for version 2.0. He sure looked like it at times during his junior play, but didn't translate to the pros.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I had a huge problem with the Teubert pick, same reason I had a huge problem with Steckel and Zultek. There is just to much talent available in the first round to be using picks to draft guys who projected as 3rd pairing defenseman or 3rd or 4th line centers. You should either be swinging for the fences or taking safer players who look to be 2nd pairing or 2nd line players. And if you want to give the Kings credit for great off the board picks like Simmonds and Martinez, you can't give them a free pass for taking a massive bust because other services had him rated high.
The Kings basically gave up on Teubert 9 months after drafting him by sending him to the prospect graveyard known as the ECHL, tells you how bad he was and how quickly the Kings knew it. Steckel ended up playing 400+ games as a fourth line center in the NHL, which actually surprised me having seen him play in college, didn't think his skating would let him play in the NHL.
The Kings basically gave up on Teubert 9 months after drafting him by sending him to the prospect graveyard known as the ECHL, tells you how bad he was and how quickly the Kings knew it. Steckel ended up playing 400+ games as a fourth line center in the NHL, which actually surprised me having seen him play in college, didn't think his skating would let him play in the NHL.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
When it comes to drafting skilled talent, this team hasn't had much success. Now when it comes to finding grinders, they're among the best at it.
Futa seems to have more hits than misses...which is why picks like Hickey are even more shocking.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
To bad we missed on Hickey, Teubert, Forbort and McNabb (although he is still a serviceable 3rd pairing guy).
If any one of them had lived up to where they were drafted or what they were traded for and we have a pretty solid top 4.
On the bright side, the drafting of Martinez and signing of Muzzin and ofcourse DD does make up for it a bit, but it does suck to think that any of those four guys or even Voynov not being an idiot and we don't have the defensive shortcomings we currently see.
If any one of them had lived up to where they were drafted or what they were traded for and we have a pretty solid top 4.
On the bright side, the drafting of Martinez and signing of Muzzin and ofcourse DD does make up for it a bit, but it does suck to think that any of those four guys or even Voynov not being an idiot and we don't have the defensive shortcomings we currently see.
Sydor25
LA Kings
No way to predict the loss of Voynov. Very difficult to replace without losing another strong player.
Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
One of the strongest top 4 in the league.
Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov
One of the strongest top 4 in the league.
at the start of the season the Fan 960 had Regehr on and he talked about how big of a loss Voynov was last year. Saying it affected every situation (PK,PP & 5on5), and that it likely cost the Kings the playoffs.
It's one thing for most of us to think it, it's another for a player to say it.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
It is a major loss to see a guy who logged 20+ minutes on your blueline removed from the roster without any replacement in sight.
Other guys had to be elevated and the team is still feeling the effects of the loss to this season.
Some of us thought Colin Miller may be in line to play that role but it seems like the organization had a hunch he'd struggle and that's what's happened with him in Boston/Providence.
They have a top 3 clearly established with Doughty, Muzzin and Martinez, but they don't have that fourth dman to round out the group as they're left with 3 other guys who are 6-7 dmen in McNabb, Schenn and Scuderi.
If LA could fit in his $2.25M I would be all in for him not retiring. It's not a huge amount to try and fit in especially for a 3rd line centre.
gnarls barkley
Registered User
I might be in the minority, but I honestly think Voynov would have been (and maybe even was already) better than Muzzin.
Really, really hard to replace a RHD of that caliber at the drop of a hat.
PJ Kings Hockey
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I'm with you, except Philly wouldn't be too happy retaining salary for another year. They already have plans for that money, I'd bet. If there's one guy I wouldn't want to tick off, it's Ron Hextall.
If I remember it right, Voynov's play had declined somewhat from what it used to be. I also remember the Voynov special, accidentally knocking the puck into his own net time and time again. I'd say while Voynov was very good, Muzzin's better.
He was definitely better than Muzzin. I don't know many who have debated the other way.
Now that said it is hard for me to know who would be better now. I think it would be a coin flip.
In my mind Voynov was hands down LA's 2nd best D-man
This is wrong. It was reported that Hextall didn't know about VL planning on retiring. The belief that VL would play out the contract could be why the Kings got such a good deal on Schenn. If anything Hextall is already angry that he gave up what he did if VL was going to retire anyways after the year.
Voynov was going to suck anyways if he came back after not playing for a year and a knee injury on top of that.
Really I thought the agreement was that he would retire and that's why DL took him, so it was known beforehand. I was under the impression Hextall knew. It is still good for the flyers this year as they could then call up gagner with the cap space so not sure why Hextall would be pissed at all even if he didn't know.
I am pissed that Voynov did what he did and had to miss time to begin with. As in I blame him for missing the playoffs last year. Do not want him in a Kings uniform now anyway.
The agreement was between VL and Lombardi, I don't think Hextall was aware of it.
Either way, it'd be nice to have VL next year if he wants to stick around.
PJ Kings Hockey
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I thought I read somewhere that Schenn wasn't in the Flyers' plans for the future. I may be wrong.
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