Prospect Info: 2015 18th overall - Thomas Chabot (D) Saint John Sea Dogs

Sens of Anarchy

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Bush league move by Murray the used car salesman. Signs this guy just for the photo op and then turns around and waives him.

Wouldn't surprise to see him bolt overseas like all our other young stars (Wikstrand, Da Costa, Rundblad, Filly, etc)

Really? Pretty dismal view. If you listen to Chabot's last interview he said and obviously knew he was going back to Junior. Just as well now as later. The team has decisions to make for the roster this year.

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I will never understand the insecurity with how Lazar was handled. Each player is a case by case scenario. Lazar was a hell of a lot better to assert himself as a player in the NHL last year than Chabot would be this year.

Why is it insecurity? Some people believe that Lazar would have been better off spending last year in junior, largely due to the fact that there are numerous historical examples of players being rushed into the league and never meeting expectations.

Holding that position has nothing to do with insecurity.

Plenty of players develop their scoring over time, developing from depth roles. Playing in junior wasn't gonna turn Lazar into a future 40 goal scorer. The only thing it did was you watched him in the NHL earlier in his developmental time frame and you saw him farther from his peak than you would most players. It's just as easy to say junior hockey would have been too easy for him and he wouldn't have had to improve much to dominate. He's 20 years old and his second season hasn't started and people think it was already a mistake. lol

The problem is more related to the fact that people's expectations were too high before the 2014/2015 season -- many having him pegged as a future 30 goal scorer -- and now having seen Lazar for a full year there is plenty of visual evidence to indicate that he won't ever get there.

The only real fact is... we'll never, ever know for sure what the better path would have been.
 

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I will never understand the insecurity with how Lazar was handled. Each player is a case by case scenario. Lazar was a hell of a lot better to assert himself as a player in the NHL last year than Chabot would be this year.

Plenty of players develop their scoring over time, developing from depth roles. Playing in junior wasn't gonna turn Lazar into a future 40 goal scorer. The only thing it did was you watched him in the NHL earlier in his developmental time frame and you saw him farther from his peak than you would most players. It's just as easy to say junior hockey would have been too easy for him and he wouldn't have had to improve much to dominate. He's 20 years old and his second season hasn't started and people think it was already a mistake. lol

So true. Some teenagers are ready to play in the NHL, doesn't mean that they will start out dominant. They also benefit from professional coaching and being surrounded by pro players with whom they practice daily. Lazar was physically and mentally ready last year, and Ottawa made the right decision.

Chabot was never staying and it will still be a major decision next year. Teenage defenseman are rare, especially ones that are not physically mature enough to handle the NHL. Even Karlsson started in the AHL at 19 (albeit not for long). Chabot will have to absolutely wow the team to make it next year.
 

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Really? Pretty dismal view. If you listen to Chabot's last interview he said and obviously knew he was going back to Junior. Just as well now as later. The team has decisions to make for the roster this year.

Stars?

Didn't he actually say he was excited to go back?
 

slamigo

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Bush league move by Murray the used car salesman. Signs this guy just for the photo op and then turns around and waives him.

Wouldn't surprise to see him bolt overseas like all our other young stars (Wikstrand, Da Costa, Rundblad, Filly, etc)

I'm guessing this is a joke post. :shakehead
 

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I think the best thing for Chabot is to really dominate in junior for the next two seasons. It will also give him time to develop the muscle he needs and offensive game (his shot) in a more forgiving environment.

After watching Lazar last year.....I don't want to do that again. I don't want a kid playing an entire rookie season in the NHL in "safe mode". I want our kids to have the freedom to work on their game, experiment, take risks, and develop. If that means a year in junior where they are a little 'too good,' then so be it.

I tend to agree as Lazar needs to work on his offensive skills, shooting, pack-handling, play-making and passing. Playing games at NHL level is not where you develop those skills, as you do not have the puck that much during games at that level. You do it at practice and on your own time on the ice developing the moves, the shot, etc.
 

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Why is it insecurity? Some people believe that Lazar would have been better off spending last year in junior, largely due to the fact that there are numerous historical examples of players being rushed into the league and never meeting expectations.

Holding that position has nothing to do with insecurity.



The problem is more related to the fact that people's expectations were too high before the 2014/2015 season -- many having him pegged as a future 30 goal scorer -- and now having seen Lazar for a full year there is plenty of visual evidence to indicate that he won't ever get there.

The only real fact is... we'll never, ever know for sure what the better path would have been.

Wasn't sure what else to call it. Either way, assuming the alternative would be better just because the route taken didn't measure up to hype certain people gave him is annoying to read. You wanted Lazar to go to junior, he didn't light the world on fire last year, so we made a mistake AND YOU WERE RIGHT!!!!. That's often the tone that comes with most second guessing of the GM. I guess maybe insecurity wasn't such a bad choice there. Doesn't mean everyone.

And yes, absolutely agree that there was over expectation from some - that always happens as soon as management says things along the lines of "we are excited about ________". A lot of people who watch hockey regularly fail to see the game for themselves and instead rely on media. Conversely, if they could, they'd probably spend less wasting time on second guessing people who are - without question - more hockey intelligent than they are. And as you said, we'll never know.

A lot of people also talk about going back to junior like it's going to be this year of offensive skill epiphanies. It won't. He would have scored 60 goals the same way he did scoring less in years prior - a wide variety of ways. Crash/bangs, shots, breakaways, deflections, wraparounds. He'll do the same in the NHL, may be a threat to score 30 in a few outlier years but he's more or less probably gonna be a top 2 line 40-60 point guy. Also a guy that may sign long term and wear a letter.

Never drafted to be a skill superstar upward 35 goals. He was drafted because he routinely showed the ability to outplay top players. Give him another 1-3 years and he's probably a guy that's gonna do very good things every night in a way that Mark Stone does even when he isn't scoring.
 

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Wasn't sure what else to call it. Either way, assuming the alternative would be better just because the route taken didn't measure up to hype certain people gave him is annoying to read. You wanted Lazar to go to junior, he didn't light the world on fire last year, so we made a mistake AND YOU WERE RIGHT!!!!. That's often the tone that comes with most second guessing of the GM. I guess maybe insecurity wasn't such a bad choice there. Doesn't mean everyone.

And yes, absolutely agree that there was over expectation from some - that always happens as soon as management says things along the lines of "we are excited about ________". A lot of people who watch hockey regularly fail to see the game for themselves and instead rely on media. Conversely, if they could, they'd probably spend less wasting time on second guessing people who are - without question - more hockey intelligent than they are. And as you said, we'll never know.

A lot of people also talk about going back to junior like it's going to be this year of offensive skill epiphanies. It won't. He would have scored 60 goals the same way he did scoring less in years prior - a wide variety of ways. Crash/bangs, shots, breakaways, deflections, wraparounds. He'll do the same in the NHL, may be a threat to score 30 in a few outlier years but he's more or less probably gonna be a top 2 line 40-60 point guy. Also a guy that may sign long term and wear a letter.

Never drafted to be a skill superstar upward 35 goals. He was drafted because he routinely showed the ability to outplay top players. Give him another 1-3 years and he's probably a guy that's gonna do very good things every night in a way that Mark Stone does even when he isn't scoring.

I'm totally on the same page here. For every example of a prospect getting 'ruined' by being rushed to the NHL too quickly, there are 100 prospects who didn't have what it takes in the first place and people just use this as an excuse.

There are so many variables in prospects - mental, physical, situational.
Some guys are flaky and don't have what it takes to push themselves to the next level, some guys look better than they are in junior because they are a bit more physically mature but it catches up to them, some guys benefit from linemates or something and then get exposed.

In the case of Lazar, I think everyone would agree the AHL was the best bet for him last year, but given that wasn't an option I'm happy they played him in the NHL. I think its a little far-fetched to think by going to the CHL he would have magically learned how to become a 50 goal scorer in the NHL.

I'm not saying that player development doesn't matter, but I think in lots of cases where guys were 'rushed' and people say it ruined them, that player would have ended up where they are regardless. Its less about ruining them and more about exposing them - their flaws don't fully come out until they are tested in the NHL
 

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Team Canada WJC thread is active again on the Prospects board.

We should show our support for Chabot making that team.:popcorn:
 

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With the injury to Wier... What are the rules to calling up Chabot? Would we be able to call him up for 9-10 games without eating a year of his ELC? Is that right? I would hate to rush him but if he is given heavily sheltered minutes it might give him a big boost of confidence.
 

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With the injury to Wier... What are the rules to calling up Chabot? Would we be able to call him up for 9-10 games without eating a year of his ELC? Is that right? I would hate to rush him but if he is given heavily sheltered minutes it might give him a big boost of confidence.

Would be great if they time it with WJC. Give 8-9 games in NHL, send him to WJC and decide later.
 

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With the injury to Wier... What are the rules to calling up Chabot? Would we be able to call him up for 9-10 games without eating a year of his ELC? Is that right? I would hate to rush him but if he is given heavily sheltered minutes it might give him a big boost of confidence.

Not sure why we would need an emergency call up.
 

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With the injury to Wier... What are the rules to calling up Chabot? Would we be able to call him up for 9-10 games without eating a year of his ELC? Is that right? I would hate to rush him but if he is given heavily sheltered minutes it might give him a big boost of confidence.

I believe he can be called up in terms of emergency basis, which technically if Wier is out long term is this case. But we an extra D, so don't think he should be called up. We also have Kostka and Claesson in the AHL. I would call one of those guys up before Chabot. Let him play where he's supposed to be playing.
 

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