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I'd want to know if Holland's including Ferraro and Callahan as GR guys. If so, I can see them taking at least one of those spots, Pulkkinen another, and there's the minimum of what Holland expects to come up from GR. Exciting, right?
We have crossed this bridge before but there is no way they can justify bringing cleary back is there...?
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Shoot, you're probably right.
Ferraro and Pulkkinen. And then maybe one of Marchenko or Oullet if (more like when) Holland strikes out in free agency.
There's always a freaking chance.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-no-last-stand-for-blackhawks/
not surprising i guess.
Hyman Larkin and Sheahan would be an excellent line to watch. He would be a great addition. I hope Larkin and Holland can lure him to Detroit
On the upside, this is a very different tone than we've got in previous off-seasons. Hoping to add four rookies to a roster that's already getting younger every year is a big step if the Wings are going to transition to life without the star veterans.
Syckle78
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To some degree, I guess. But I think we've learned that his actions speak louder than his words. We'll have to wait and see what the off seasons entails. There could once again be very little room at the inn if zidlicky is retained and the forward group is already runnething over. We shall see..
The roster is getting younger every single year. It's been that way for a couple years now. Guys like Cleary and Weiss are getting benched for younger options.
The forward group is "runnething over" with young players. It's very realistic that Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Miller would be the only players on the roster over 30 years of age. Weiss and Franzen are your wildcards there.
If anything, the actions we've seen point to that trend continuing. The snowball is in full roll now. Zidlicky was a deadline add for a playoff run, not a long term solution or at all indicative of who has been getting the big minutes.
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Hopefully it will be Babcock and co extending the chance and not Holland. For a rebuilding time with an identity crisis, Cleary could actually find himself with some ice time in a Leafs jersey. Lets hope that thought is enough to keep Holland from giving Cleary yet another pity contract.
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Considering how little Babcock played him the past year it's pretty safe to say he has no interest in Cleary. Holland has always been loyal to guys who won Cups in Detroit but at this point I think even Holland will be wise enough to give him the Osgood, Maltby, and Draper treatment and offer him a two way contract that pretty much guarantees him a spot in Grand Rapids.
Everybody can chill out about Cleary. Guy played 17 regular season games, 0 playoff games, and averaged a team lowest 9 minutes per game. Next lowest was 11.
He's done.
Syckle78
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All of what you said is true. But there still is a log jam at forward and defense. Where is anyone coming up supposed to play? Unless he gets proactive and starts making moves I'm not sure what the plan is. It's also not a foregone conclusion that zidlicky isn't retained and with Franzen perhaps playing next year there's really no room.
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Cleary didn't play because he wasn't good. That doesn't mean that Babcock doesn't like him. Cleary is still a guy that sets a good example on the bench and Toronto could use that.
Anyways, most of this is tongue in cheek. I don't think anyone would bet on Cleary being back. The thing is, we said that last year. You just never know.
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If Babcock and Shanahan feel like Toronto isn't going to push for playoffs next season I could see Babs asking for Cleary signed. He would be a great guy in the locker room for a team that is trying to turn it around. I think that is mainly why the whole Philly thing came up was they wanted that lockerroom character. The money and term was too crazy to work out though.
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I think alot of people are forgetting about the Promise and the good playoff run he had in 13
Now there is simply no reason to justify Holland signing Cleary
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14 games of looking like a competent player should not excuse 48 games of looking like absolute garbage.
That move (and the ones since) have been all personal, and nothing to do with the actual player.
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He would be on pace for close to 20 goals he wasnt that bad, + I dont think we really had any young players coming up that looked amazing at the time.
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Eye-test wise, he looked like absolute crap. 5 of those goals were on the PP, which he should never have been on to begin with.
Bringing him back was idiotic. But again, it was not a hockey move, it was a personal one.
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Oh Kenneh...
No ****, Sherlock. But in the same breath says this:
He literally doesn't ****ing get it and that's why he fumbled away Tyler Myers. He's well past his prime, and that's why I'm looking forward to the rebuild. If he doesn't get it then hell, let's watch the bottom fall out and hope we can get a Doughty or Toews like prospect to prepare for the eventual rebound.
He doesn't get it? Multiple cups, a franchise that makes others jealous... Sure he could have traded for more help but at what cost to the future? Trade Gus/tats and see who the Wings future looks. I may not like all of his decisions but I like most on here don't know the whole story. Let's see how the next coach, probably JB, does.. This is all my opinion.
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Nice to know he can rest on the laurels of his success from 1997-2008 to excuse him from any criticism.
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I get the more recent term argument but really interesting to see 2009 wiped from his record where they had the best team in the league and lost in the finals.
In the next two years they had a team that was ultimately outcoached by a former assistant but had contender status. Even the Nashville loss was a team that was viewed as a serious contender until injuries completely derailed them after the trade deadline.
In the past three seasons they have been weaker as the rebuild on the fly hasn't allowed them to be quite as good. However I completely disagree with putting this back to whenever the last cup was, in my opinion that comes far short of evaluating the team enough.
We will see what he does this off-season, Holland didn't become an idiot over night and he hasn't destroyed our future just yet. For those interested he is still following the comments he suggested coming out of the big lockout that already brought us a championship once and a finals appearance. Curious to see what his tweaks are, they have been slower than any of us want, but he hasn't driven this thing off a cliff yet as many seem to suggest. Not following that and it certainly doesn't date as far back in terms of this team not icing a team with serious championship caliber and aspirations seem to indicate. Winning a Stanley cup is a little tougher than I think many give it credit for.
I understand frustration, but there really is still a lot to be excited about with this team and their future. Some disagree and I accept that, others like me simply don't have the sky is falling mentality. I also don't agree with the timeline when this all went sour being bandied about a lot in this thread.
Expectations are high with this team so they have disappointed for a variety of reasons. But they really can be quite good and return to the area we expect with a couple of tweaks through the trade deadline of next year. Important year for Holland.
