2015/16 Wishlist

[Heaton]

2015 and next year are important years with timing of players entering free agency. It's exciting the Wings have a lot of big decisions to make.

Obviously Cleary, Monster, Cole, and Zidlicky will not be re-signed (Allah willing ), which is something to feel very positive about.

Nyquist IMO should get exactly what Tatar makes, 2.75 and not a dime more. He hasn't proven dick in the playoffs. Take a short contract to prove his worth and place as a future leader.

There must be questions considering Andersson, Jurco, Pulkkinen and Ferraro. I'm of the mind who could care less if Andy or Ferraro stays, but I guess we need that possible 4th line center if Helm continues as a wing in the top 6. Who from GR could replace him as of now for cheaper? Andersson kind of makes me think of how we held onto Emmerton for too long, I wouldn't mind a fresh look. Ferraro also I am very bored with. Why stick with a (very) poor man's Glendening when the Wings have over 13 million in space without him?

Contract aside, you do realize this was Nyquist and Tatar's first full seasons, right?

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Contract aside, you do realize this was Nyquist and Tatar's first full seasons, right?

Tatar's second season. Im pretty sure he played every game except Those 9 where Babs scratched him for Cleary or someone that was worse.

Heck, It could probably be Nyquist's too. All the other 20 or so games make up for Last season where he was sent down.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

We should certainly make an offer, but my money says that he signs with MN. I could be wrong, but I think his dad is actually a very, very small minority owner of the team. I agree that he is great offensively, but he needs to be much more engaged defensively at the NHL level.

He'd either have to settle with not starting on the NHL roster or Minny would have to make some roster moves because they're not exactly sitting pretty wrt cap space. Even when they likely buy out Backstrom, they still won't really be in a position to offer Dubnyk more than 3mil per, so even before this kid would sign on they'll probably need to dump salary.

Portzline (Jackets beat writer) was told by sources the Hawks are preferred destination

We shall see but after landing Panarin. I wouldn't rule out Reilly especially when looking at Hawks cap situation which should open up roster spots

 

[Heaton]

Tatar's second season. Im pretty sure he played every game except Those 9 where Babs scratched him for Cleary or someone that was worse.

Heck, It could probably be Nyquist's too. All the other 20 or so games make up for Last season where he was sent down.

Oh right, anyway - it was Nyquist's first full season.

 

[Winger98]

Oh right, anyway - it was Nyquist's first full season.

This was also the first season where both guys came into camp with the expectation that they would shoulder a significant load throughout the season. I think having to come into a season and perform under those expectations, rather than getting inserted into the lineup whenever and pushed into a prominent spot by injuries to other players, is a big deal.

Regarding Nyquist's next contract, he's 25. I might be wrong, but a two year deal takes him straight to unrestricted free agency, doesn't it? I have to think Holland is going to try to eat at least a couple of those first UFA years, and to do that he'll have to pay more than what he paid Tatar. Regardless of what he's done in the playoffs, what he does in the 82 games before that matters, and scoring 25-30 goals isn't a small feat.

 

[Actual Thought*]

1. Holland steady on the rudder as usual.

2. Blashill vastly exceeds realistic expectations. (as opposed to the wildly unrealistic expectations of HF)

I fully expect to be disappointed with #2.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

the #1 wish for every wings fan should be for holland to shed the deadweight and actually go about structurally improving the red wings blueline.

that means do not sit on your hands and hope mike green chooses detroit over the 15 or so other destinations he could go(buffalo, detroit, toronto, florida, washington, philly, carolina, columbus, new jersey, vancouver, calgary, dallas, colorado, san jose, edmonton and arizona)

that means go out and acquire a legit and proven top 3 dman who will be here for AT LEAST the next 5 seasons

that means move on from two of kindl/smith/ericsson/quincey and create internal competition from the dmen prospects we hope to build around(marchenko/ouellet/jensen/sproul)

 

[PullHard]

the #1 wish for every wings fan should be for holland to shed the deadweight and actually go about structurally improving the red wings blueline.

that means do not sit on your hands and hope mike green chooses detroit over the 15 or so other destinations he could go(buffalo, detroit, toronto, florida, washington, philly, carolina, columbus, new jersey, vancouver, calgary, dallas, colorado, san jose, edmonton and arizona)

that means go out and acquire a legit and proven top 3 dman who will be here for AT LEAST the next 5 seasons

that means move on from two of kindl/smith/ericsson/quincey and create internal competition from the dmen prospects we hope to build around(marchenko/ouellet/jensen/sproul)

Although I basically agree with you 100%, that doesn't fit his idea of "organizational depth."

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Although I basically agree with you 100%, that doesn't fit his idea of "organizational depth."

it could

kronwall
phaneuf(example of acquired top 3 dman)
dekeyser
petry(example of acquired ufa dman)
quincey
marchenko
kindl
ouellete
jensen
sproul

that is organizational depth
that is a properly structured blueline
that is moving assets(smith and ericsson) to address other needs
that creates a hole next summer when quincey leaves(filled by ouellet)

 

[19 for president]

it could

kronwall
phaneuf(example of acquired top 3 dman)
dekeyser
petry(example of acquired ufa dman)
quincey
marchenko
kindl
ouellete
jensen
sproul

that is organizational depth
that is a properly structured blueline
that is moving assets(smith and ericsson) to address other needs
that creates a hole next summer when quincey leaves(filled by ouellet)

I like the look of that D quite a bit. With that said... I don't see the Wings moving Ericsson. I think Quincy is the more likely and better piece to be dealt. One year left, coming off a good year, zero offensive instincts.

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Kenny should offer sheet Dougie Hamilton.

 

[Tatar]

Kenny should offer sheet Dougie Hamilton.

We don't have the required picks to sign him to anything reasonable, and he is not worth 8.4m+. Not to mention Bruins would match and Holland would be black listed

 

[abbbaron]

We don't have the required picks to sign him to anything reasonable, and he is not worth 8.4m+. Not to mention Bruins would match and Holland would be black listed

The Wings still have a 2nd in 2016, so Holland could offer up to around 3.5mil for an RFA-- probably wouldn't be enough for BOS to give up on Hamilton, but the knock-on effect would be that they likely won't be able to return any of their veteran FAs (pretty much a forgone conclusion at this point anyways, but they were hoping to make it work at least with Soderberg); not that the Wings are likely to benefit much from that.

That GMs get blackballed for making offer sheets (to the point that they hardly happen anymore) strikes me as anti-competitive

 

[Heaton]

The Wings still have a 2nd in 2016, so Holland could offer up to around 3.5mil for an RFA-- probably wouldn't be enough for BOS to give up on Hamilton, but the knock-on effect would be that they likely won't be able to return any of their veteran FAs (pretty much a forgone conclusion at this point anyways, but they were hoping to make it work at least with Soderberg); not that the Wings are likely to benefit much from that.

That GMs get blackballed for making offer sheets (to the point that they hardly happen anymore) strikes me as anti-competitive

GMs don't get blackballed, GMs don't do it because they know the team will ALWAYS match. How many offer sheets have worked? Just the Dustin Penner one?

 

[abbbaron]

GMs don't get blackballed, GMs don't do it because they know the team will ALWAYS match. How many offer sheets have worked? Just the Dustin Penner one?

They rarely work in the case of the player that signs them, but they can cause havoc on a team's roster and jostle other players loose (Niemi worked out fairly well for SJ, Philly's offer to Weber didn't help Nashville's ability to bring back Suter, etc.). The draft pick compensation at the lower end of the scale is quite reasonable for preying GMs, so given that there have been so few offers in recent years, I'd have to believe there's some other added risk to GMs interested in making an offer. Why no GM in the league made Tatar a 3.4mil (avg) offer last summer is beyond me, but as a Wings fan I won't complain.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

The last time we tried to screw with a team Lapointe got stolen from us.

So not sure we should ever do an Offer sheet

 

[Syckle78]

The last time we tried to screw with a team Lapointe got stolen from us.

So not sure we should ever do an Offer sheet

Who did we mess with? I just remember Lapointe getting signed to an insane contract he wasn't close to being worth. That tends to happen for role players on championship turns especially back when teams were giving out crazy contracts like candy.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Who did we mess with? I just remember Lapointe getting signed to an insane contract he wasn't close to being worth. That tends to happen for role players on championship turns especially back when teams were giving out crazy contracts like candy.

Yeah he was a UFA, he got the David Clarkson overpayment special.

 

[InjuredChoker]

They rarely work in the case of the player that signs them, but they can cause havoc on a team's roster and jostle other players loose (Niemi worked out fairly well for SJ, Philly's offer to Weber didn't help Nashville's ability to bring back Suter, etc.). The draft pick compensation at the lower end of the scale is quite reasonable for preying GMs, so given that there have been so few offers in recent years, I'd have to believe there's some other added risk to GMs interested in making an offer. Why no GM in the league made Tatar a 3.4mil (avg) offer last summer is beyond me, but as a Wings fan I won't complain.

suter had already signed with minnesota by the time of weber's offer sheet.

 

[Tatar]

GMs don't get blackballed, GMs don't do it because they know the team will ALWAYS match. How many offer sheets have worked? Just the Dustin Penner one?

Since its introduction 37% have accepted. Teams don't do it because the price is usually to high. 4 firsts for someone like pk subban is to high for most teams

 

[abbbaron]

Since its introduction 37% have accepted. Teams don't do it because the price is usually to high. 4 firsts for someone like pk subban is to high for most teams

Yeah, if hard-luck Buffalo had only let Vanek sign with Edmonton and gotten however many 1st rounders from them...

But giving up no more than a single 2nd round pick for any contracts up to 3.5mil avg?

 

[abbbaron]

suter had already signed with minnesota by the time of weber's offer sheet.

True, I forgot the sequence in that summer of hell for Nashville, in any case Suter's departure meant that they were a little more desperate to keep Weber and match that monster offer

 

[Tatar]

Yeah, if hard-luck Buffalo had only let Vanek sign with Edmonton and gotten however many 1st rounders from them...

But giving up no more than a single 2nd round pick for any contracts up to 3.5mil avg?

The problem is the team will match that low of a price. Hamilton is worth in the range of 4-6 million. If he does get, and accepts an offer sheet the Bruins will have plenty of time to match and make a trade before needing to be cap compliant by seasons start.

 

[abbbaron]

The problem is the team will match that low of a price. Hamilton is worth in the range of 4-6 million. If he does get, and accepts an offer sheet the Bruins will have plenty of time to match and make a trade before needing to be cap compliant by seasons start.

Yeah, I don't particularly care whether or not the GM (in this case Holland) is making the offer with the expectation of actually getting the guy. The point is that with so little at stake (a single 2nd rounder, and supposedly no blowback from other GMs), why the hell wouldn't someone make the offer? I would've thought the rest of the league could've seen last season that Tatar is worth a 3.4mil avg and 2nd rounder (and certainly more than the contract Holland ended up getting him to agree to). Without other GMs competing for these RFAs, the team with rights to that young player have just about all the leverage. The offer sheets introduce something closer to a market price where GMs prefer it not to be.

 

[Winger98]

Who did we mess with? I just remember Lapointe getting signed to an insane contract he wasn't close to being worth. That tends to happen for role players on championship turns especially back when teams were giving out crazy contracts like candy.

The rumor was Ilitch called Jacobs out during an owners meeting for being cheap and not icing as good of a team as he could.