2015/16 Wishlist

[Frk It]

Barring Alfie who came to play with his countrymen who has he picked up since Stuart that was worth a **** as a player?

I don't have much, you're preaching to the choir there odin.

Edit: I guess Hossa and Dekeyser?

 

[odin1981]

Besides, Ericsson just isn't a good #2. Not his fault he's playing above his head. It would be like saying Helm was garbage because he's not a #1 center.

Thank you so much for this Heaton. He is a fine shut down #4 kinda like Stuart. It just isn't his fault he isn't paired with a top 4 all time d man. He would be great on the second pairing. Which coincidently was where he was when he had his peak performance seasons.

Quite a few people here are ignorant to the fact that Big Rig is above his station and just **** on him cause he can't produce like Rafalski could.

 

[Frk It]

Thank you so much for this Heaton. He is a fine shut down #4 kinda like Stuart. It just isn't his fault he isn't paired with a top 4 all time d man. He would be great on the second pairing. Which coincidently was where he was when he had his peak performance seasons.

Quite a few people here are ignorant to the fact that Big Rig is above his station and just **** on him cause he can't produce like Rafalski could.

He had his best season(s) along Kronwall, which is the same place he's playing now.

And I don't even think he'd be good on a second pair anymore. Maybe ok, because if DK can make Quincey look good he could probably do the same for Ericsson. But saying he'd be great there without seeing it is just giving him benefit of the doubt just because.

Ericsson is a lot more Lilja than Stuart.

 

[odin1981]

I don't have much, you're preaching to the choir there odin.

Edit: I guess Hossa and Dekeyser?

That is why I am really against most of the potential trades that get proposed here. He gets hosed and has been for the past 3-5 years.

Our pro scouting has been **** for going on 3+ years. I would evaluate them all and bare minimum dismiss 1/2 them immediately if I where in control as GM.

I'll give you Hossa but DDK always wanted to be a DRW. Ten bucks says he gets the next "abby" commercial next year.

 

[Frk It]

That is why I am really against most of the potential trades that get proposed here. He gets hosed and has been for the past 3-5 years.

Our pro scouting has been **** for going on 3+ years. I would evaluate them all and bare minimum dismiss 1/2 them immediately if I where in control as GM.

I'll give you Hossa but DDK always wanted to be a DRW. Ten bucks says he gets the next "abby" commercial next year.

Even though I understand how you may not like Phaneuf, you also can't let your failure keep you from trying if you're Holland.

We just need to do better there.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

he signed ericsson for 6 years and he's garbage in year 1 already...

At his peak he was on the upper end of average.

Now he is playing like a shopping cart with a busted wheel. The kind that makes a really annoying noise when the rubber wheel is dragged along the floor inside the supermarket.

 

[abbbaron]

Phaneuf was already declining in Calgary-- that's why they shipped him out for a bunch of role-players. He's a scaled up version of Ericsson, except that Ericsson is still at least somewhat mobile. The big hits that Phaneuf occasionally still lands are far outnumbered by all times that players evade him and result in odd-man situations. To say nothing of the excruciating give-aways he commits as one of the league's top paid blueliners. He fills what need on the roster? Another LH on the PP? If you didn't like seeing those SH goals scored towards the end of last season, you may want to brace yourself if Phaneuf ends up working the point. Anyone who is seriously thinking that Phaneuf, even if he were only hitting the cap for $5mil, could be a net positive on their team hasn't been watching him play very closely. And this isn't just "hyperbole", it's empirical-- have a look at Phaneuf's advanced stats (spoiler: they're among the worst in the league), especially compared to his peers (spoiler: among the worst on his team)

For those teasing themselves with the idea that Phaneuf (or Kessel) might flourish in a better environment like Detroit, think for a second: when is the last time the Wings have picked up a big name player from a crappy team and had him be even nearly as productive in the Wings' system? Crappy teams are where mediocre players can over-achieve. But let's go ahead and commit the next 6 years and excessive cap-space to a guy most of you are talking about having as 2nd pairing guy; let's do that with the hope that he might rediscover his form from...nearly...a...decade...ago...

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Phaneuf was already declining in Calgary-- that's why they shipped him out for a bunch of role-players. He's a scaled up version of Ericsson, except that Ericsson is still at least somewhat mobile. The big hits that Phaneuf occasionally still lands are far outnumbered by all times that players evade him and result in odd-man situations. To say nothing of the excruciating give-aways he commits as one of the league's top paid blueliners. He fills what need on the roster? Another LH on the PP? If you didn't like seeing those SH goals scored towards the end of last season, you may want to brace yourself if Phaneuf ends up working the point. Anyone who is seriously thinking that Phaneuf, even if he were only hitting the cap for $5mil, could be a net positive on their team hasn't been watching him play very closely. And this isn't just "hyperbole", it's empirical-- have a look at Phaneuf's advanced stats (spoiler: they're among the worst in the league), especially compared to his peers (spoiler: among the worst on his team)

For those teasing themselves with the idea that Phaneuf (or Kessel) might flourish in a better environment like Detroit, think for a second: when is the last time the Wings have picked up a big name player from a crappy team and had him be even nearly as productive in the Wings' system? Crappy teams are where mediocre players can over-achieve. But let's go ahead and commit the next 6 years and excessive cap-space to a guy most of you are talking about having as 2nd pairing guy; let's do that with the hope that he might rediscover his form from...nearly...a...decade...ago...

If Phanuef was actually good, wouldnt they want to keep him to mentor the young guys

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

If Phanuef was actually good, wouldnt they want to keep him to mentor the young guys

that logic would be equal across the board for all players and all team in all seasons in all trades,

 

[Eye of Ra]

Holland should try to lure Radulov to come here

There is also: Dadanov, Shirokov, Tikchonov, Plotnikov.

Would love to see:

Tatar - Datsuyk - Helm
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader
Tikhonov - Sheahan - Plotnikov
Miller - Glendening - Andersson

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Khan with targets:

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/05/detroit_red_wings_free_agency_1.html#0

Anyone else?

 

[Heaton]

Ugh, when did MLive start with the ******** slide show?

 

[Shaman464]

Khan with targets:

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2015/05/detroit_red_wings_free_agency_1.html#0

Anyone else?

Khan pretty much just listed all the top d-men on the market.

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Ugh, when did MLive start with the ******** slide show?

I know right? All about the clicks. No quality.

 

[detredWINgs]

Khan pretty much just listed all the top d-men on the market.

I thought the same thing. It's basically a list of all the available defenseman who could feasibly play a top 4 role. And its arguably one of the ugliest free agent lists I've ever seen.

 

[detredWINgs]

Thank you so much for this Heaton. He is a fine shut down #4 kinda like Stuart. It just isn't his fault he isn't paired with a top 4 all time d man. He would be great on the second pairing. Which coincidently was where he was when he had his peak performance seasons.

Quite a few people here are ignorant to the fact that Big Rig is above his station and just **** on him cause he can't produce like Rafalski could.

Uh, that is not at all why people **** on Ericsson. They **** on him because he can't play like Stuart. And that's in addition to being the antithesis of Rafalski offensively. Ericsson has one job: to be a physical shutdown type. And for the most part, he sucks at it.

 

[Heaton]

Uh, that is not at all why people **** on Ericsson. They **** on him because he can't play like Stuart. And that's in addition to being the antithesis of Rafalski offensively. Ericsson has one job: to be a physical shutdown type. And for the most part, he sucks at it.

Ericsson and Stuart are pretty similar in the way that Stuart was good for like 2 years in Detroit then was bad a lot of the time. Ericsson looked great next to Lidstrom. Stuart looked great behind Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall.

 

[Roy S]

Stuart played on the second pairing with Kronwall most of his time in Detroit so that is a lot different than what Ericsson is being asked to do. Stuart played with Lidstrom on the top pairing for one season and that was also the only - season of Lidstrom's career and by far the worst puck possession season of his career, as well. They then paired Ian White with Lidstrom the next season and they went back to having a top pairing that could significantly outplay and outscore opponents. I think Ericsson would be fine on the second pairing- particularly if he played with DD.

I'd be curious how DD would do alongside Kronwall on the top pairing, though. DD carried the 2nd pairing and did really well in the #3 role. Improving the top pairing should be the top priority.

 

[HIFE]

Beside a few personnel changes the Wings will remain basically the same. So the current Wings have to develop now, this off-season must be huge. I know the guys train every year but our only hope is that they can take their practice/discipline as a professional to another level. The Red Wings need a greater dedication to winning and mastery these next months in preparation. How is it Datsyuk returns every season stronger than the last? It must be his off-season conditioning. Development isn't a subject concerning only prospects, the top echelon of NHL players also strive continually to grow their game.

The DRW have got to concentrate on their shots, board battles, transition under pressure, etc. etc. As awesome and skilled as Detroit thinks they are we're obviously not all that. Players individually also have to work on their weaknesses:

Quincey and Ericsson- learn how to handle the mother****ing puck
DeKeyser- put on some weight
Tatar and Nyquist- get over their size limitations, get to scoring areas
Sheahan- has A LOT of work to do
Abbie and Helm- work on their shots/stickhandling
Z- should focus on healing- flexibility and mobility practice more than strength
Pulkkinen- get smarter making plays
Etc...

I realize you can't plant corn and expect beans to sprout(imagining players to be something they can't be). But especially considering our younger guns there is much room for improvement... I expect(demand )to see that space filled this year.

 

[SirloinUB]

What about that Mike Reilly Kid? Could He pull a Danny Dekeyser and step right in? he put 42 points in 39 games last year. At 6'1 181 lbs he isnt undersized and can move the puck. He is lefty, but I hope that wouldn't disinterest the Wings. By all accounts he looked great at the World Championships playing for Team USA

 

[Mister Ed]

What about that Mike Reilly Kid? Could He pull a Danny Dekeyser and step right in? he put 42 points in 39 games last year. At 6'1 181 lbs he isnt undersized and can move the puck. He is lefty, but I hope that wouldn't disinterest the Wings. By all accounts he looked great at the World Championships playing for Team USA

If he's better than Ouellet and Marchenko, he should definitely be on the Wings' radar. He should surpass Smith/Kindl from what I saw from him at the Worlds.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

What about that Mike Reilly Kid? Could He pull a Danny Dekeyser and step right in? he put 42 points in 39 games last year. At 6'1 181 lbs he isnt undersized and can move the puck. He is lefty, but I hope that wouldn't disinterest the Wings. By all accounts he looked great at the World Championships playing for Team USA

We should certainly make an offer, but my money says that he signs with MN. I could be wrong, but I think his dad is actually a very, very small minority owner of the team. I agree that he is great offensively, but he needs to be much more engaged defensively at the NHL level.

 

[abbbaron]

We should certainly make an offer, but my money says that he signs with MN. I could be wrong, but I think his dad is actually a very, very small minority owner of the team. I agree that he is great offensively, but he needs to be much more engaged defensively at the NHL level.

He'd either have to settle with not starting on the NHL roster or Minny would have to make some roster moves because they're not exactly sitting pretty wrt cap space. Even when they likely buy out Backstrom, they still won't really be in a position to offer Dubnyk more than 3mil per, so even before this kid would sign on they'll probably need to dump salary.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Mlive stared with the dumb slideshows somewhere around Febuary March i think. Maybe earlier but i cant remember. Its pretty stupid

 

[HIFE]

2015 and next year are important years with timing of players entering free agency. It's exciting the Wings have a lot of big decisions to make.

Obviously Cleary, Monster, Cole, and Zidlicky will not be re-signed (Allah willing ), which is something to feel very positive about.

Nyquist IMO should get exactly what Tatar makes, 2.75 and not a dime more. He hasn't proven dick in the playoffs. Take a short contract to prove his worth and place as a future leader.

There must be questions considering Andersson, Jurco, Pulkkinen and Ferraro. I'm of the mind who could care less if Andy or Ferraro stays, but I guess we need that possible 4th line center if Helm continues as a wing in the top 6. Who from GR could replace him as of now for cheaper? Andersson kind of makes me think of how we held onto Emmerton for too long, I wouldn't mind a fresh look. Ferraro also I am very bored with. Why stick with a (very) poor man's Glendening when the Wings have over 13 million in space without him?